Purchased a bike off not the registered owner - Help!!

[Akzle]

trademe terms include ~"must be legally entitled to sell"

also. that sale and purchase agreement you both signed.

also. dont register shit. ftp.

[AllanB]

File a dispute against the person you purchased it from in the small claims court. Once they receive notification they will most likely amazingly find proof of purchase or the elusive phone number of the original owner.

[FJRider]

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...ight=certified

[Intruder VS]

Did a compliance on a bike about a year ago at VTNZ and when I asked about ownership history they said don't worry as they used to do the JP deceleration thing but don't bother any more.
I printed out the carjam report showing the bikes details and that it wasn't stolen and they were happy with that, flew through compliance with new plate in my name etc all in about half a day.

[cods4]

Had a similar issue with a car once. I don't remember the details but I think the very helpful person at VINZ was able to look up the details of the previous owner for me and I went and visited them. They were good enough to write a note on a piece of paper saying 'I... Sold this vehicle to ... for $... etc.

I think you can also request the PO's details from VTNZ if you have a good reason. Such as in this case.

[T.W.R]

Find the person listed as the last named registered owner. (Or at least someone with [or signing] that same name )

Check the Police have "No interest in the vehicle" ... this used to be a requirement of re-registration in this process ... although now not required legally. But it may help your case with the compliance officer.

A " Form of Statutory Declaration " from the police signed by a declarations officer
If something has changed in the last 6mths you still need one of these
Pick one up at VTNZ and take it to a police station; can't go any further without one. Basically just states that the police have no interest in it but it does need all the details of the person the bike was purchased from.

[cods4]

A " Form of Statutory Declaration " from the police signed by a declarations officer
If something has changed in the last 6mths you still need one of these
Pick one up at VTNZ and take it to a police station; can't go any further without one. Basically just states that the police have no interest in it but it does need all the details of the person the bike was purchased from.

I needed one of those for the car I re-registered a few years ago but not for the bike I re-registered last year. Maybe it has changed recently? or they just dont enforce it.

[wishynz]

Huge thanks to everybody that has provided info here! You guys are great. I've contacted the compliance center now regarding the info from NZTA on requirements for proof of ownership. Will update when I hear back

[T.W.R]

I needed one of those for the car I re-registered a few years ago but not for the bike I re-registered last year. Maybe it has changed recently? or they just dont enforce it.

I had to get one for the XS750 I'm currently working on
Went to VTNZ inquired as what would need to be done seeing the bike had been off the road since 1993 & purchased via Turners Auctions with no indication of who the previous owner was.
Luckily the old plate was still in the system (just) so It was a matter of supply proof of purchase, get the Statutory form of Decl from VTNZ fill it out with the bikes details & who I purchased the bike from and get it signed at the police station by the declarations officer otherwise I couldn't progress any further with getting the bike back on the road.
And once the bikes ready take all the paperwork with me when I go and get the bike run through compliance & re-registered and usable again

[AllanB]

I still think there is merit in rocking up with a bunch of lads armed with baseball bats. Old school motorcycling.

[awayatc]

I still think there is merit in rocking up with a bunch of lads armed with baseball bats. Old school motorcycling.

I feel like that to sometimes.....

But not quite the same effect after a few decades to many....

[PeterNZ]

Your options would include Disputes Tribunal (http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/tt/bs/Page...privately.aspx). Not sure if this would fall under the police's jurisdiction as a civil matter, but it might be worth contacting your local CAB for their take on it.

I am currently going through a disputes tribunal case not bike related. I don't see a Dispute in this case here. Neither buyer nor seller dispute anything right?

Forget the police. They do bugger all. Same as in our case there is a legally binding agreement between both parties. This means it is a civil matter and police will refuse to get involved at all. Really stupid here in New Zealand.

Cheers

Peter

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[wishynz]

UPDATE:

From the shop, "This morning I have spoken to the *Company name* boss and he has confirmed what you have read and what I originally thought, that a Stat Declaration would suffice to prove ownership.
I will be getting the Bike Inspector back in hopefully in the next couple of days and he will sign it off."

Looks like the stat declaration is sufficient, will confirm once I have the bike back in hand though

[Mike.Gayner]

File a dispute against the person you purchased it from in the small claims court. Once they receive notification they will most likely amazingly find proof of purchase or the elusive phone number of the original owner.

I still think there is merit in rocking up with a bunch of lads armed with baseball bats. Old school motorcycling.

What is the dispute here? What has the previous owner got to do with this? The previous owner sold a non-registered vehicle. Once the transaction has taken place it no longer has ANYTHING TO DO with the previous owner. Anything the new buyer wanted from the prior owner should have been arranged at the time of the transaction, and anything given subsequently is at the generosity and discretion of the previous owner. I fucking HATE when people come to me with onerous requests after private a transaction has occurred, and generally don't respond.

OP, glad to hear you've more or less resolve this, but you did it ass-backwards. You should have contacted NZTA first to get a letter from them that you could produce to VTNZ etc. You've definitely done this the hard way and made everyone's life a little more difficult than necessary.

[rok-the-boat]

I got a bike registered - an old DR500. It had been in the system but I had no documents for it at all. What I did was to get a doc from the police, with frame and engine numbers on, I think I had a plate number too, saying they had no interest in the bike. Meaning - they had no record of it being stolen. That police document was all I needed to get the ball rolling. But, two VIN places told me no chance. I had given up when during another visit at a different VIN station for another reason led to another conversation and they said ... no problem. So ... if one place tells you "No" ... then try another !