...I'm with awayatc...how can you seriously differentiate between any of the cunts...their lips open and keeping themselves in a job, bullshit, runs out...
one placenta
...I'm with awayatc...how can you seriously differentiate between any of the cunts...their lips open and keeping themselves in a job, bullshit, runs out...
Forum whore
well the idea has merit.How come i pay tax on my measley bank deposists but propert "investors" dont pay anything on non productive capital gains.Its a way of taxing the wealthy who can arrange ther affairs to not pay tax .The paye rate wil come down(in theory).Dont you agree that something has to happen to make the tax take more equitable.Originally Posted by cassina
Forum whore
i didnt think of that!
Learning
I'm with awayatc as well. Bad, worse and appalling is about the state of who I'm voting for. There isn't actually anyone good, it's just a question of who's least awful.
Policies: almost irrelevant, there's what they promise and then there's what we'll actually get, post-election. If nothing else, coalitions tend to dilute any strong policies.
There's nothing on offer that'd rock the boat, nothing that strongly challenges the current neoliberal, unequal society, beggars in the streets and fucked future for under 40's status quo.
As to why this is happening.... lots of reasons really but I reckon one which deserves some discussion is how we fund our political campaigning. We allow massive private donations, to my mind that is rich men buying policy and setting the acceptable limits of the playing field before an election even happens.
There is public money but of course it's limited, and to get that you have to have had people voting for you previously. They don't hand it out to first-timers. It basically means that the only general public independent candidates with a realistic chance are the Gareth Morgans of this world, self-made millionaires who can afford to fund themselves. But they're rich men too, now operating without the filter of going through a party or a representative politician.
End result of all this: billboards with very simple slogans posted everywhere. Winning votes by volume.
We're not really a democracy. We look like one, we like to tell ourselves we are one, but really I reckon little old NZ has sleepwalked into being a mild American-style plutocracy.
KB's Chief Cats
when has being completely irrelevant to the topic ever stopped you before??
KB's Chief Cats
srsly, you old white cunts must whine about the same shit every time voting happens. but you keep doing it.
somethingsomething same shit somethingsomething same results.
never mind drug testing pollies. (it's the doleys you have to worry about, eh puddle)
under ax, they "pollies" will number 12. and be KB members (excluding the afoffaf) and whoever else is at the bar with ideas on the day, and there will be a minimum half-doz requirement before any policy is even considered.
Bogeyman
What growing inequality?
NZ's gini coefficient has hardly budged for years.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Forum whore
What is a tupuna?
Bogeyman
You do not pay tax on your deposits, you pay tax on the interest they make, the income.
And having been taxed on money I earn and on money I spend I'll be fucked if I pay tax on it a third time.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
salty dog
Morgan is part if the upper part of that gap...trying to appeal to the lower part.
I suppose he is doing that because that lower part is far far bigger....
Plus he himself sits very comfortably safe till the end of his days.
Opinions are like arseholes: Everybody has got one, but that doesn't mean you got to air it in public all the time....
Bogeyman
Oh I admire his dedication to his cause, every other politician bar none is proposing that someone else pays for their policies.
It's just that I think that particular policy is deeply flawed ethically. There's no end of rhetoric about exactly how they're going to spend taxpayer's money, but there's fuck all discussion about what's ethically consistent in how you get that money, from which demographic and at what cost.
Nobody minds paying tax for things that benefit everyone, that make it possible to live as we do. But selling the redistributing of income as "leveling out inequity" is just that, a sales pitch. It's not only based on the claim that incomes are getting less "equal", when that's not actually correct but it completely ignores the fact that none of us produce shit of exactly the same value. It's a cynical excuse to hit on the only possible source of money to pay for it: rich pricks.
The flip side of all of the hand wringing sympathy for the "poor", (and don't get me started on how the UN defines that) is the simple fact that for every dollar you give someone who hasn't earned it that's a dollar someone's earned and hasn't received. You can push that agenda just so far before the combined rewarding the unproductive and punishing the productive completely fucks productivity altogether.
And the problem we have is there's no control feedback to stop new policy doing exactly that, those voting themselves more money vastly outnumber those actually earning it.
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Wearing Hi-Viz Black.
Anyone who thinks the "rich" will get taxed by a CGT is deluded. If anything it will result in a smaller tax take as the "rich" will simply instruct their accountants that they will not be affected in any way.
I have seen this happen with a few mates. "Fuck paying taxes" is what they said to their accountant and the response was "No problem at all. Next question."
Elders. Grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.
I'd be very interested to find out how much he paid in bribes, to the North Korean government, for his little motorcycle trip there...
TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”
Bogeyman
There'a actually fuck all loopholes left you can use to minimise tax and still retain any net return. But there is nonetheless a problem with taxing the same money a third and fourth time via investment income and asset taxes: Income and investment simply stops happening.
Faced with the prospect of, say pressing on with the hassles of managing a residential rental returning a stunning 2.5% because paying your own way is the responsible thing to do, some might decide to flog it off and blow the fucking lot on holidays, fast cars, hookers and bikes. And then, BONUS points! instead of stumping up with the extra tax on all those already taxed earnings they could stick their hand out for some of that tax money they're now eligible for.
And instead of keeping up some part time work at retirement age and subsequently losing your pension as a result, there's a distinct possibility some might decide that they're altogether too frail to bother working when someone else will do it for them.
Some might also decide to add the family home and any remaining assets to the holiday budget bonfire and then rent, rather than risk having to sell it all anyway to pay for their dotage.
Decisions, decisions...
Go soothingly on the grease mud, as there lurks the skid demon
Slightly Hardcore Biker
Hey Oceans, CGT is only taxing the increase in value, not the purchase cost. The capital gain itself is NEW income and CGT plans to tax it as it's earned, like PAYE.
(P.S. but I agree that GST is a terrible tax and should be stopped)
(and don't start me on rates... tax on tax on tax on tax...)
High miles, engine knock, rusty chrome, worn pegs...
Brakes as new
ruddy bastard
he has a dumb voice so lost my vote
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