The 2017 Election Thread

[Voltaire]

Watched the leaders natter last night.

Mike Hoskings is a dick, he should stick to the radio where at least you don't have to see him.

I like Jacinda, she has a vision, Bill is more a Manager with a safe pair of hands.

Its a bit late now to talk about affordable housing but National along with a lot of other Western countries really dropped the

ball on this one.

Bill said " we have an open economy", Jacinda says why can foreigners buy up large here when we can't do the same?

Health is an easy one.... tell the likes of Coke, Maccers, BK,Nestle and the rest of them to fuck off with their sugary shit....its

killing us.

[caspernz]

I like Jacinda, she has a vision, Bill is more a Manager with a safe pair of hands.

Health is an easy one.... tell the likes of Coke, Maccers, BK,Nestle and the rest of them to fuck off with their sugary shit....its

killing us.

Jacinda may have a vision, but the team behind her is same old same old it seems. Bill is a bit boring, no denying that.

The health one, I like your thinking on fast food being targeted. But maybe we need to combine education and legislation on this one?

Not a fan of Winston as such, but you can't argue with him on mass immigration, look at the effect it's had.

[Ocean1]

Watched the leaders natter last night.

Mike Hoskings is a dick, he should stick to the radio where at least you don't have to see him.

I like Jacinda, she has a vision, Bill is more a Manager with a safe pair of hands.

Its a bit late now to talk about affordable housing but National along with a lot of other Western countries really dropped the

ball on this one.

Bill said " we have an open economy", Jacinda says why can foreigners buy up large here when we can't do the same?

Health is an easy one.... tell the likes of Coke, Maccers, BK,Nestle and the rest of them to fuck off with their sugary shit....its

killing us.

Housing prices we've done to death, it's down to the scope creep cause by telling ourselves that we need double glazing, insulation etc etc etc etc. And the fact that there's no better investment returns for those cashed up boomers to stash their retirement savings. Why is that, by the way? When Kiwisaver can earn 10% plus, why is it that nobody can link those returns to individual investors? Maybe that's where a govt can get some leverage...

And I'm surprised Labour stuck with attacking health, especially directly at funding, which has, according to most observers gone up in gdp per capita for decades.

As usual they look exclusively at the consequences of individual life choices and demand they be fixed, never mind the cost and never mind that money can't fix the root cause.

[Ocean1]

there is the rub
cows drink about 70 liters a day drystock about 50L... not so bad
but with dairy cleaning up after milking is about the same per cow. on top of the first 50-70
Irrigation is an vital ingrediant in most farming and horticulture to make a product that is sold overseas.
thats a huge amount.
but then the water is removed (other than Butter and the meat)when it is sold overseas so its a bit complex.
Normally the waste water from the dairy factories is either returned to the river or the land.

Good article: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opi...l-water-debate

[Swoop]

Health is an easy one.... tell the likes of Coke, Maccers, BK,Nestle and the rest of them to fuck off

While you are at it, tell everyone who has a bit of a sniffle then goes to the hospital, to fuck off as well.
Cunts who should go to their GP instead of filling up a seat/bed need to be shown the door so that others in greater need get treated.

[Voltaire]

While you are at it, tell everyone who has a bit of a sniffle then goes to the hospital, to fuck off as well.
Cunts who should go to their GP instead of filling up a seat/bed need to be shown the door so that others in greater need get treated.

Breath test people turning up to A and E on the weekends and charge them.

[James Deuce]

While you are at it, tell everyone who has a bit of a sniffle then goes to the hospital, to fuck off as well.
Cunts who should go to their GP instead of filling up a seat/bed need to be shown the door so that others in greater need get treated.

Takes three weeks to get an appointment with GP. I don't go with a sniffle. Last time i went I had a DVT in my leg, whihc wife the nurse immediately diagnosed. GP said next appt available 3 weeks away, go to After Hours. There is no after hours in Masterton, it burnt down (has been rebuilt). Went to emergency in Masterton got sent away. Drove to the Hutt Hospital and went ot ED and was given a pill the size of a horse and admitted for a night. It doesn't work the way you think it does. Health system is fucked.

[Swoop]

Breath test people turning up to A and E on the weekends and charge them.

An excellent idea!
I know of a few nurses who would endorse that.

[Ocean1]

While you are at it, tell everyone who has a bit of a sniffle then goes to the hospital, to fuck off as well.
Cunts who should go to their GP instead of filling up a seat/bed need to be shown the door so that others in greater need get treated.

Dude, you have no idea, the negative press from that practically guarantees a note from the ministry effectively removing that option.

Not that the staff there are likely to turn anyone down anyway. It'd be nice if they could at least claim the GP subsidy instead of draining their own budget, but attempts to actually set up GP facilities on site in order to do just that were quickly shut down from upstairs. Rumor has it GPNZ got into the minister's ear.

Get used to it, for as long as there's subsidies there will be people abusing them, and other people defending their right to do so.

[Ocean1]

Takes three weeks to get an appointment with GP. I don't go with a sniffle. Last time i went I had a DVT in my leg, whihc wife the nurse immediately diagnosed. GP said next appt available 3 weeks away, go to After Hours. There is no after hours in Masterton, it burnt down (has been rebuilt). Went to emergency in Masterton got sent away. Drove to the Hutt Hospital and went ot ED and was given a pill the size of a horse and admitted for a night. It doesn't work the way you think it does. Health system is fucked.

Yes. Masterton in particular is a problem.

[Ocean1]

Breath test people turning up to A and E on the weekends and charge them.

Or at least sent every admittance a proforma invoice showing the actual cost of their treatment.

I have zero hope that that would reduce any of the hype about the supposed lack of funding, but it might at least make the staff more aware of where the costs are.

[Swoop]

Dude, you have no idea, the negative press from that practically guarantees a note from the ministry effectively removing that option.

Yes, it would piss a few whiney arsed people off. Fuck em!

[James Deuce]

Yes. Masterton in particular is a problem.

GP is Ropata in the Hutt.

[James Deuce]

Dude, you have no idea, the negative press from that practically guarantees a note from the ministry effectively removing that option.

Not that the staff there are likely to turn anyone down anyway. It'd be nice if they could at least claim the GP subsidy instead of draining their own budget, but attempts to actually set up GP facilities on site in order to do just that were quickly shut down from upstairs. Rumor has it GPNZ got into the minister's ear.

Get used to it, for as long as there's subsidies there will be people abusing them, and other people defending their right to do so.

GMS is an example of why NZ shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the least corrupt tables.

Just one example, mind.

[Ocean1]

GMS is an example of why NZ shouldn't be anywhere near the top of the least corrupt tables.

Just one example, mind.

NZ originally modeled it's developing public health system from the obvious source: Blighty's NHS.

AT the time overheated public expectations hadn't yet driven the inevitable scope creep explosion to quite the stratospheric budget it demands today.

Anyway, part of that process was consulting with GPs about their place in the wider public health strategy. The govt of the day wanted primary health included in a NHS style approach. The GPs wanted to remain private, charging what they could directly from the public, rather than having to rely on what the govt paid them.

Which is why you now have a hybrid system, where GPs and consultants are paid by both individual and public sources. Spot the problem yet?

And to rub salt into the festering fiscal hole there's a perception that we could improve efficiency by removing a bunch of non-medical staff from the system. When in fact that would remove what little protection the DHB's budget actually has from it's subcontracting consultants and from it's own employees, (often the very same individual).