Poverty measure ... doesn't make sense to me

[Woodman]

as far as i understand the only given rule for ai is "dont let it on teh internet" (see aforesaid skynet becoming active)

facebook killed their ai when it stopped speaking english.

everyone rocking iphone is teaching the siri (and google, the droid) speech patterns, internet behaviour, where and when you do what...

machine intelligence is the next step in evolution. i dont think humans will survive it.

sofia was granted citizenship...^.-

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artif...olution-1.html

That was a fucking good read.

I always knew that intelligence would be our downfall, that's why I never indulged in it.

[Akzle]

That was a fucking good read.

I always knew that intelligence would be our downfall, that's why I never indulged in it.

if we bound it (artificial limits) to human iq, or a few points above, we may maintain control. once it becomes sentient, and works out how to do shit better (pro-tIp, probably wont involve usurious jewconomy) then it will be all over.

i think the ruskies' ternary processors are more likely to break ground here.
stupid jew shit, manufacturing in binary.
organic computation, also interesting. and far less energy consumption that even ternary chips.

[TheDemonLord]

(pro-tIp, probably wont involve usurious jewconomy).

Actually - that would be a very interesting scenario...

It's entirely likely that an AI based economy would have zero empathy and would allocate resources based on their most efficient use (which would mean that no resources would be allocated to those of the Dole Bludging persuasion)...


All Hail our AI Overlords...

[Akzle]

there's also a not-very-related TED talk about the algorithms that run the stock exchanges and how they make/disappear jewgolds pretty much at whim.
huzzah, jews.

[Akzle]

Actually - that would be a very interesting scenario...

It's entirely likely that an AI based economy would have zero empathy and would allocate resources based on their most efficient use (which would mean that no resources would be allocated to those of the Dole Bludging persuasion)...


All Hail our AI Overlords...

that would depend on whether it perceived any value in maintaining "the economy" such as it is (or, more widely, western society). because, menstruate all you like, doleys keep inflation in check. your capitalism requires unemployed people, to balance the books.

it will also shit-can your capitalism and profiteering jewry.
money is a shitty metric. i think mashy has some ideas about this...


i dont so much believe WE will develop artificial inteligence. rather we're going to learn to connect with the buddhanature.
the existing natural intelligence, and humans will learn to percive it.

[TheDemonLord]

that would depend on whether it perceived any value in maintaining "the economy" such as it is (or, more widely, western society).

Well, The core function of any economy is to direct resources from point A to point B - where Point B is usually Humans, and usually in relation to our Pyramid of needs

because, menstruate all you like, doleys keep inflation in check. your capitalism requires unemployed people, to balance the books.

I've heard your side make that argument before - but the reading I've done suggests that this is a particularly ideologicially driven interpretation of the NAIRU theory - which in short says there needs to be a small amount of Unemployment, so there can be movement of employees between jobs.

It's not to say there is a strata of people that must be permanently unemployed for the system to work

it will also shit-can your capitalism and profiteering jewry.

So long as it gets shit done without infringing on my freedom of choice - then go for gold.

money is a shitty metric. i think mashy has some ideas about this...

Except a Metric is just a measure - sure, you can incorrectly use a Measure - such as saying that a car with 300 hp would be faster than a bike with 200 hp - but HP is not a shitty Metric, it's the usage that is shitty.

The problem here is that the majority of people value things differently from you or Mashy and since the Free Market is majority rules, you're upset that other people don't hold your ideas.

i dont so much believe WE will develop artificial inteligence. rather we're going to learn to connect with the buddhanature.
the existing natural intelligence, and humans will learn to percive it.

Once we teach machines how to hit the Bong....

[Woodman]

i dont so much believe WE will develop artificial inteligence. rather we're going to learn to connect with the buddhanature.
the existing natural intelligence, and humans will learn to percive it.

Its not that much of a leap to humans being hooked up to the matrix.

[oldrider]

Actually - that would be a very interesting scenario...

It's entirely likely that an AI based economy would have zero empathy and would allocate resources based on their most efficient use (which would mean that no resources would be allocated to those of the Dole Bludging persuasion)...


All Hail our AI Overlords...

If the only valid reason for production is consumption and AI eventually produces everything it begs the question? - Who will consume?

Currently the only people with continuous (government guaranteed) wherewithal to "consume" would be the beneficiaries!

The numbers of beneficiaries (consumers) will have to be maintained equal to production or the system will fail. Career-path of the future?

Seems like beneficiaries are looking like being strong success factors in the future world of AI (artificial intelligence)!

What NZ Universities currently offer a degree in Beneficiary-ism?

[Graystone]

And fair enough. But I don't need to do it with you. It's a choice. I do not identify with being a politician, and you can't make me. I'm someone who, like yourself, demands more from politicians. Ideally for them to ditch politics and get on with it.

Not with you, no. I didn't discount monarchy, I stated that it was highly improbably that it'd meet the goals you state. The RBE's didn't have poverty. They didn't have words for please or thank you. They didn't wear shirts and ties. They got on in general. It is quite well documented that the indigenous were treated badly wherever the west went. Badly being an understatement and a half. Til then, they had survived there for thousands of years without needing a financial system. But hey.

I've told you why we're not going to discuss it. By all means believe what you like about what I know and understand. You've been doing that throughout our interactions. So suggest away all you like.

I'm not making you identify with anything, but it is clear you are no better than the politicians you too, expect more from.

Are you saying that cavemen etc didn't have poverty, but we have it now?

See point 1.

[mashman]

If the only valid reason for production is consumption and AI eventually produces everything it begs the question? - Who will consume?

Currently the only people with continuous (government guaranteed) wherewithal to "consume" would be the beneficiaries!

The numbers of beneficiaries (consumers) will have to be maintained equal to production or the system will fail. Career-path of the future?

Seems like beneficiaries are looking like being strong success factors in the future world of AI (artificial intelligence)!

What NZ Universities currently offer a degree in Beneficiary-ism?

University of life

[mashman]

I'm not making you identify with anything, but it is clear you are no better than the politicians you too, expect more from.

Are you saying that cavemen etc didn't have poverty, but we have it now?

See point 1.

So you are identifying me as a politician as you claim that I am no better in terms of information sharing. I guess I must be translating you incorrectly eh. I'm glad it's clear to you though. That gives me warm fuzzies. Maybe I should take umbrage or summink, dunno... so many emotions to choose from and only one feeling inside that's screaming to get out. Here it comes... I'm more than happy to, and have in the past and present, explain the details to those who have a genuine desire to find out more. You don't have that desire, that is clear

I'm sure some of them suffered the equivalent of poverty, although that'd likely be more along the lines of the hunter-gatherer style version of sanction/ostracising. As such, and something I never actually disagreed with you over as you seem to be alluding too, yes, there is every possibility that a Resource Based Economy could see people live in what some might call poverty. Although given that all resources will be produced to be consumed for free, it'd likely have to be by choice.

You made a point? Where?

[mashman]

as far as i understand the only given rule for ai is "dont let it on teh internet" (see aforesaid skynet becoming active)

facebook killed their ai when it stopped speaking english.

everyone rocking iphone is teaching the siri (and google, the droid) speech patterns, internet behaviour, where and when you do what...

machine intelligence is the next step in evolution. i dont think humans will survive it.

sofia was granted citizenship...^.-

https://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artif...olution-1.html

I reckon humans will survive it as a superintelligence will recognise and revere the sentients of life.

[Graystone]

So you are identifying me as a politician as you claim that I am no better in terms of information sharing. I guess I must be translating you incorrectly eh. I'm glad it's clear to you though. That gives me warm fuzzies. Maybe I should take umbrage or summink, dunno... so many emotions to choose from and only one feeling inside that's screaming to get out. Here it comes... I'm more than happy to, and have in the past and present, explain the details to those who have a genuine desire to find out more. You don't have that desire, that is clear

I'm sure some of them suffered the equivalent of poverty, although that'd likely be more along the lines of the hunter-gatherer style version of sanction/ostracising. As such, and something I never actually disagreed with you over as you seem to be alluding too, yes, there is every possibility that a Resource Based Economy could see people live in what some might call poverty. Although given that all resources will be produced to be consumed for free, it'd likely have to be by choice.

You made a point? Where?

Why do you keep claiming I do not have the desire? and that I am unworthy of the details? Surely in a society which values freely shared information 'worthiness' would not be a factor.

So the point about historical outcomes it utterly irrelevant to either an RBE or a monarchy's ability to eradicate poverty, I'm glad we cleared that up. Monarchy is still the clear winner due to it having a realistic transition plan, all we need to do to get from here to a poverty free monarchy is replace politicians with monarchs; the rest of society, production, consumption, wealth and the economy can remain unchanged during this transition, then all shall reap the benefits of effective long term planning for the whole society (not just the major voting blocks) once the monarchy is established.

Feel free to share your transition plan so we can make an intelligent comparison between them...

[Akzle]

Its not that much of a leap to humans being hooked up to the matrix.

you say that, like you're not already in it.

your existence is but your perception. what you credit for your perception, is up to you.

[Akzle]

I reckon humans will survive it as a superintelligence will recognise and revere the sentients of life.

yes but is it you-by-your-onesies sentience?
or some kind of mass consciousness?... a paradigm, if you will