Road toll - Police stupid obsession blaming speed

[george formby]

Your a retard because they are the only 3 words you know. Or maybe you are yet to start school so you can learn more? If you are yet to start school I apologise for calling you a retard.

Are you physically impaired, too?

[T.W.R]

And just to think the current road toll as of a few days ago was 363, which is 35 less than it was in 1962 when the speed limit was equivalent to 80km/h and the population was 2.4 million They should be giving us a pat on the back for just a 10% increase yet the population has nearly doubled

[Luckylegs]

you're a fuckwit

Your a retard because they are the only 3 words you know. Or maybe you are yet to start school so you can learn more? If you are yet to start school I apologise for calling you a retard.

You are a fuckwit - Anyone wanna go for five?

[george formby]

Soooo, while there is a Fuckwit fest going on above, why not contemplate this novel idea...

Stop focusing on speed and start focusing on retraining drivers every X years. We are the biggest problem, not speed or roads.

I've been an advocate of ongoing testing for a long time. When your licence expires sit a test to get it back.


Very spendy, though and a lot of folks don't like the idea.

[Blackbird]

How about not always laying blame at the door of the cops? I'm pretty sure that they have fairly limited powers to implement public policy. A few missiles fired in the direction of anonymous civil servants with hidden agendas might be better targets.

[Luckylegs]

Soooo, while there is a Fuckwit fest going on above, why not contemplate this novel idea...

Stop focusing on speed and start focusing on retraining drivers every X years. We are the biggest problem, not speed or roads.

Or train em for the roads they're going to drive on. I live rural and I drive 70km's each way daily. Like all good kiwis (albeit I'm two thirds strayan, although shouldn't be admitting that here) I reckon i'm a pretty good driver, but regardless of whether this is true or not certainly I am comfortable on said roads at or above the speed limit simply through repetition (and experimentation). Quite simply idiots either obey the mantra or don't do it enough to get comfortable at speed and hence make mistakes when they do have to do it.

Ho-Hum, Probably impractical but why not allow the ability to be tested and licensed for particular roads or different speed limits? - Speed differential??? I'd say the driver, rider who has been proved able, deals with these as a matter of course and it's really not an issue. Hell, bump up my acc a couple of hundy to allow for the fact I might hurt myself a little more and i'd still be a pig in shit!

That's all - Not sure where a "thoughtful" post came from on a Saturday morning but hey....

[Moi]

How about not always laying blame at the door of the cops? I'm pretty sure that they have fairly limited powers to implement public policy. A few missiles fired in the direction of anonymous civil servants with hidden agendas might be better targets.

The policy of enforcing speed limits is probably driven, and I'm assuming here, by the fact that speed can be "objectified" and presented in court as a "fact" - the speed camera indicated that the vehicle was travelling at 109km/h. I suspect that objectivity appeals to the civil servants.

Whereas, other aspects which lead to crashes such as "not driving safely in the conditions" are more subjective and are open to interpretation in a court.

[Akzle]

i've been over all of this before, and i'm sure so have y'all.


vote fucken akzle.

[pritch]

Not in our lifetime.
I have to agree with The Grand Tour (S2 E2) where they quite rightly point out the flaws in the computer systems that will make autonomous cars an absolute hazard.

Some of the people designing the system are poor drivers and that has been mentioned as a concern. Black people in the US of A have expressed concerns lest pedestrians are not recognised as such on dark nights. If that sounds odd remember the Tesla that killed its occupant (can't call him a driver) because it drove under a truck and trailer unit that was almost the same colour as the sky at the time.

[granstar]

And just to think the current road toll as of a few days ago was 363, which is 35 less than it was in 1962 when the speed limit was equivalent to 80km/h and the population was 2.4 million They should be giving us a pat on the back for just a 10% increase yet the population has nearly doubled

All finger pointing though, has anyone come up with factual statistics that make sense and pinpoint the real problems. I say it's driver/ rider impatience as a big factor. Example today a car following another (too close) oncoming pulled into my half of the road as the car in front indicated, slowed to turn off. Had that following driver read the road ( as I predictably- defensively did and slowed because it was obvious going to occur), been just a little fuckin patient for split seconds of his life, said driver would not have put all three cars and everyone else about in a horror crash situation.

[Akzle]

Nothing will change if the attitudes of some on here are anything to go by as they dont want tougher penalties for those with an "at fault" history. As nothing is going to change the best we can do to stay safe is to ditch our bikes and buy the biggest 4WD we can afford so the muppet that hits us comes off worse.

you're a fuckwit

[T.W.R]

All finger pointing though, has anyone come up with factual statistics that make sense and pinpoint the real problems. I say it's driver/ rider impatience as a big factor. Example today a car following another (too close) oncoming pulled into my half of the road as the car in front indicated, slowed to turn off. Had that following driver read the road ( as I predictably- defensively did and slowed because it was obvious going to occur), been just a little fuckin patient for split seconds of his life, said driver would not have put all three cars and everyone else about in a horror crash situation.

Ha it's the facts as pointed out by the powers that be their own numbers from historical records.
Patience doesn't register with peoples egos and attitudes...fact of life Social conditioning has dumbed down the majority and they take no personal responsibility for their actions, self imposed arrogance in their wee self-centered bubbles.
I've just done a quick run to Rakaia and on the return following a bunch of vehicles popped past a few on a passing bay only to see ahead a blaze of tail lights and cars taking evasive action.....one dumb fuck towing a caravan decided to stop at the end of the passing bays on a partially blind rise with a large amount of oncoming vehicles ignorance is bliss to fuckwits with no consideration to others for what their actions may cause.

[granstar]

Nothing will change if the attitudes of some on here are anything to go by as they dont want tougher penalties for those with an "at fault" history. As nothing is going to change the best we can do to stay safe is to ditch our bikes and buy the biggest 4WD we can afford so the muppet that hits us comes off worse.

Huh! that is a bit heretic I must say (I said that), Bit harsh on the muppets
Yeah, go join a car forum.


Sorry got to go (for a ride), I have a life.

[Swoop]

Some of the people designing the system are poor drivers and that has been mentioned as a concern. Black people in the US of A have expressed concerns lest pedestrians are not recognised as such on dark nights. If that sounds odd remember the Tesla that killed its occupant (can't call him a driver) because it drove under a truck and trailer unit that was almost the same colour as the sky at the time.

I like Jeremy's suggestion of holding a baby, just to fuck up the algorithm of the cage's computer...

[crack]

It is a fact that since 1960's NZ population has doubled:

Our road toll in the 60's was circa 300+ or -.

Today the vehicles on our roads is more or less the same as our population:

Our road toll is still more or less the same, as it was in the 60's.:

I would say the safety campaign is working.

With more vehicles on the road we have not kept up with human performance, versus modernization of and advancing technologies:

There is a lot of hype over driver-less vehicles, and the government needs a working group to understand the issues of human performance versus technology.

A driver-less car/truck will avoid another driver-less car/truck, and it will rationalize and take out a person or another non driver-less vehicle if it has to choose,! it see's the non smart vehicle/person as the lesser.

As for driver-less cars/ trucks on NZ roads, our roads are different to alot of other places in the world being more windy/surrounded by hills, and not long straight interstates.

Having to deal with not only automated vehicles, but increasingly dumber humans with an increasingly poorer manipulation and driver thinking skills.

Imagine the Awakino gorge, or the Lewis or Lindus passes, or any number of NZ's main state highways, even south of the Bombays, just to name a couple.

If the vehicle looses its data signal, it has a programmed protocol to stop, now you and a line of traffic is stuck behind a 32 wheeler in a gorge until someone comes to move it! (how many times does your GPS loose signal?)

Sharing the roads with automated vehicles, and having manufacturers use the automated aviation industry as an example is misleading, and irresponsible to the road transportation industry, and not only wrong but misleading to say the least.

While two opposing airliners operating on auto-pilot, and on an airway! they routinely close on each other at speeds of over a 1000 knots plus!!, they are vertically separated by 1000- 2000 feet, and the passengers routinely carry on watching movies, drinking, sleeping, and arrive at their destination after using an industry that has become the safest means of transport world wide.

When aircraft are operating off airways and /or outside controlled airspace, if the automated systems (as in the above as well) recognize a aircraft as being at your level coming towards you, the systems in each talk to each other and then inform the crew of the appropriate resolution, to avoid a collision:

Now on the road in your 50 kph area, you are separated by a white line and a couple of meters at best:

Aviation has years of human factors training and routine standardized operating procedures and experience, and the biggest of all being standardized & legislated crew ongoing re-currency training:

There are countries around the world that will not let an airliner operate inside their boarders unless it is TCAS (terrain and collision avoidance systems equipped).

Driver-less vehicles with dumbed down human ability and poor practical skills, mixing it up with dumb vehicles and skilled drivers, is in my opinion for NZ roads a disaster in the making.

I would like to see what the New Zealand insurance council, and the transport ministry see's the issue:

(I reckon the insurance council will lower premiums for driver less vehicles, and boost premiums for human driven vehicles, under the guise that statistics prove the automated vehicles as being safer, but hang on??, how long and how many people/owners/countries have automation, and what recognized level of owner training does the insurance council adhere to? how does the insurance council make a decision that automation is safer, when the vast majority uses dumb vehicles, where and how can insurance and governments compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges, unless the playing field is level)

Road toll:

It is going to increase, I reckon dramatically so, and in the not too distant future.

Chr's
Terry.