The 2017 Election Thread

[husaberg]

Oh bollocks!! take ya fuckin blinkers off....spouting that tripe can be directed anywhere you want to look in this world FFS. And if you want to get righteous about that sort of thing ol Britannia we're the masters of it all for a fucking long time to everyone who crossed their paths or got on their radar

And like I said in the earlier post it's a master class in dumbfuckery to take on the bear...just leave them alone and don't provoke them with what's being attempted with this current bullshit. Historically it's never worked and it never will and holy shit it's the fuckin 21st century fucking surely the world has had enough of this sort of shit and should realise it never ends well!

Russia is flexing its muscles as Putin is insecure.
Trouble is Russia is not that well off and relies on some pretty large subsidies from overseas sources to stay afloat.

Russia provoked the UK with a pretty piss poor display of an assassination.
At least the US are thoughtful enough to make their assassinations look like an accident.
Russia did not even bother.

As for Adearn and Russian spies in NZ who cares we have few decent secrets to steal.

[Katman]

Russia is flexing its muscles as Putin is insecure.
Trouble is Russia is not that well off and relies on some pretty large subsidies from overseas sources to stay afloat.

Russia provoked the UK with a pretty piss poor display of an assassination.
At least the US are thoughtful enough to make their assassinations look like an accident.
Russia did not even bother.

As for Adearn and Russian spies in NZ who cares we have few decent secrets to steal.

(Enter stage left.....)

Dumbfuck #2.

[Graystone]

Meanwhile China just laughs it arse off at the funny little men playing at 'world leaders'. Democracy, what a fucking joke.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm equally bemused by the number of dumbfucks that are continually hoodwinked by the Western demonisation of anything Russian.

This is entirely my point.

If it came out tomorrow, that the West (UK, US etc. Take your pick) had seriously considered assassinating someone - you'd be up in arms.

At the suggestion that Russia has actually assassinated someone, your go-to response is that it is the west trying to "demonise anything Russian".

[TheDemonLord]

Oh bollocks!! take ya fuckin blinkers off....spouting that tripe can be directed anywhere you want to look in this world FFS. And if you want to get righteous about that sort of thing ol Britannia we're the masters of it all for a fucking long time to everyone who crossed their paths or got on their radar

You've missed the point - it's not about what I get righteous about, it's about the hypocritical standards that others get righteous about.

And like I said in the earlier post it's a master class in dumbfuckery to take on the bear...just leave them alone and don't provoke them with what's being attempted with this current bullshit. Historically it's never worked and it never will and holy shit it's the fuckin 21st century fucking surely the world has had enough of this sort of shit and should realise it never ends well!

Russia plays it's game (and plays it well), so too, do we play our game.

[Grumph]

Russia plays it's game (and plays it well), so too, do we play our game.

Yeah, but they're playing chess at a high level and we're playing croquet...

I'm amused to see that some on the religious right in the US are saying that the poison used in the UK assasination attempt probably came from Porton Down - which is apprently quite close to Salisbury. They're screaming false flag attack....
Not sure at all why it should be the religious crazies saying this, maybe Trump will follow suit ?

[T.W.R]

You've missed the point - it's not about what I get righteous about, it's about the hypocritical standards that others get righteous about.

I didn't miss the point at all, you missed your own point with misinterpretation of what I said

Russia plays it's game (and plays it well), so too, do we play our game.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=12022820

That 'ill learn em.
Like they were all headed towards NZ to hide out until the dust clears...

[Katman]

If it came out tomorrow, that the West (UK, US etc. Take your pick) had seriously considered assassinating someone - you'd be up in arms.

Whereas you would just pass it off as one of those nasty little necessities required to keep the West safe.

At the suggestion that Russia has actually assassinated someone, your go-to response is that it is the west trying to "demonise anything Russian".

So perhaps you can point us* towards some proof that Russia is behind this latest attack.

*(Calm down jasonu).

[pete376403]

Bridges flip-flop

The Government is taking a lot of heat for not expelling any Russians. That seems like an odd thing to for people to get worked up about, but there you are.

You can judge how the issue has unfolded by the fact that in a space of 24 hours, Simon Bridges has gone from grave statesman "we must stand as one on this issue" mode:

I agree that we need to have a critical eye on issues such as this, but the Prime Minister's position as I understand it is there are no, effectively, spies and so I take her at her word.

to full outraged "why is the Government letting down the country?" mode:

We are being laughed at in the international media. And the reason for that is that other countries, our best friends around the world, are taking a really principled stance on this and we haven't.

Apparently the PM's word is good enough for him, but only until overseas media pokes the borax at us.
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/my-...-flag-on-fi-yo

[Grumph]

I'd like to see some figures on numbers expelled. I've seen the figure 19 Russian staff here. If we expel one that's say, 5%. How does that stack up against countries where they have hundreds of staff and expel around 50 ? Is it proportionate ?

As for Slimeon Bridges attempting to appear stern and statesmanlike, not happening.

[jasonu]

ereas you would just pass it off as one of those nasty little necessities required to keep the West safe.



So perhaps you can point us* towards some proof that Russia is behind this latest attack.

*(Calm down jasonu).

Or you could 'point us' to some proof that is wasn't Russia behind this latest attack.




but I'm sure you won't.....

[Katman]

Or you could 'point us' to some proof that is wasn't Russia behind this latest attack.




but I'm sure you won't.....

Clearly you don't subscribe to the theory of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

[husaberg]

Clearly you don't subscribe to the theory of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Why would that be you clearly don't. You repeatedly even claim innocent even when clearly proven guilty.
In this case Russia was given a time frame to answer if.
1, They had lost control of the Nerve agent used, that was clearly developed by them
2, or they had in fact used it themselves.
Russia failed to respond to the ultimatum, thus sanctions were brought against them for failing to respond.
It pretty simple (although clearly not simple enough for you to understand)

[Swoop]

Russia is flexing its muscles as Putin is insecure.
Trouble is Russia is not that well off and relies on some pretty large subsidies from overseas sources to stay afloat.

Russia provoked the UK with a pretty piss poor display of an assassination.

Remember that there has been an "election" in the motherland and Fred Putin is always portrayed as being strong on every issue (Russian's like strong)...

It makes interesting discussion where "wet" work is conducted in certain countries. Perhaps slow-acting (or, at the least, not instant) poisons are not seen as as this due to the non-instant death? The Gentleman's Agreement might have been slightly re-written with the new Czars protecting their billion-rouble empires.