Increased Highway Patrol presence...

[Cosmik de Bris]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Yes, this is the problem. The police are just as bad. They like to chase people and in some cases are young and impetuous just like the people they are chasing. The police guy on the radio says they assess the risk all the time but do they?

And now for an anecdotal story. A motorbike hit a tree outside my son's house, they all rushed outside and the police were already there having chased the guy for some kilometres. The police tried to get the flatmates to say that they arrived some time later than they actually did because it was obvious that they had not called off the pursuit even though they said they had. The rider died at the scene BTW. This case was on National radio at the time and of course the police story was believed and because it was a scum motorcyclist, well, they deserve it don't they?

Another, although a long time ago. My mate was wiped out on his Kawasaki H1 by a police car on the wrong side of the road chasing a speeder. No compensation from the police, no insurance because, well, insurance companies.

Cheers

[EJK]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Oh you mean:
The criminals shouldn't risk their lives over stolen car or whatever and is not worth being killed?

[Dodgy]

A mate of mine works in traffic prosecutions for the Police. He hadn't done front line service for a few years so when asked to escort a North Island cycle tour, he was keen to. So, in his patrol going from Wellington, he spies a Ducati going too fast on the Plimmerton straight. He decides to give chase and freely admitted that he had a ball of a time thrashing the old Commodore trying to keep up. He didn't catch the bike until the Levin traffic lights, where he gave him a ticket (the rider didn't even know he was being chased!).

I asked him why he didn't get assistance. His response - I was having too much FUN!!!

Boys in uniform are not immune to red mist and the thrill of the chase it appears.

[Mike.Gayner]

Oh you mean:
The criminals shouldn't risk their lives over stolen car or whatever and is not worth being killed?

The risk starts when the police decide to engage in a dangerous pursuit for petty crimes. The deadly escalation is initiated by the police.

[EJK]

The risk starts when the police decide to engage in a dangerous pursuit for petty crimes. The deadly escalation is initiated by the police.

Actually, the risk starts when the offender decides to start making a run for it: At full speed, ignoring stop signs, all traffic lights, eventually putting innocent public in danger. Thank fuck they only killed themselves this time.

[rastuscat]

Police are supposed to be the level-headed ones here. They consciously decide that it's worth putting the public's lives at risk over a stolen car or whatever. Stolen property is not worth killing people over. But the dumbfuck cops in this country are so fucking eager to get their jollies in a chase that I doubt anything will change.

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

[Mike.Gayner]

Murder someone, and pop the body in the boot if your car. If the Police try to stop you just keep going. They will stop pursuing you if your policy is adopted.

The next day, well after you've disposed of the body, the Police will knock on the registered owners door and all you'll get is a slap on the hand for failing to stop.

See, when a car fails to stop, the only one who knows why is the offender. The Police don't know why. But they know there's normally a good reason to want to stop them.

It's a lot more complex than most folk think.

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

[rastuscat]

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

No, of course not. I'm just making the point that responsibility doesn't rest purely in the hands of the Police.

Im imagining a world where Police dont pursue. It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

Honest, decent people would stop. Ratbags wouldn't.

[Mike.Gayner]

It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

And this is the unfortunate attitude of the NZ Police. If an arrest isn't handed to them on a platter, they just won't bother.

[PistonBlown]

In the UK the police had a couple of high profile cases where they had been chasing motorbike/moped riders that resulted in fatal crashes. The pursuit rules were updated so the police had to immediately abandon any pursuit involving a motorbike/moped if it became dangerous.

As a result:

• Crims have all started riding motobikes/mopeds
• As soon as a pursuit starts they take off their helmets or ride onto the pavement so the police have to abandon the pursuit
• Motorbike/moped thefts have sky rocketed - one particular trick used by the crims is spraying acid into the face of the rider at traffic lights and riding off on their bike while they are rolling on the ground in agony and loosing their sight
• muggings, snatch and grab, etc have increased dramatically

So the police not chasing isn't going to improve things.

[Addo007]

I know that the police in this country have proven an almost comical inability to investigate crime, but even still it's a bit ridiculous to imply that pursuits are the only way to apprehend criminals. However in the cases where people are dying in police pursuits, we're generally dealing with petty crimes like property or drug offences. In virtually every case no deaths would have occurred had the police not initiated a pursuit. Are these crimes worth people dying over?

The only ridiculous thing here is your comments when you obviously have a single minded opinion. Myself, like Rastuscat have first hand experience in the Police. The necessity to chase vehicles is obvious for numerous reasons, the primary being that the crime rate would go through the roof if it was completely outlawed. Comical inability to investigate crime? Yes certain crimes have to be prioritised especially in big cities due to staffing, but there’s not many murders, robberies etc that go unsolved through outstanding Police work. Instead of the Police being judged accountable for pursuit deaths, maybe harsher penalties for offenders and the ability for Police to put an end to pursuits quicker would be the way to go. You obviously have a grudge against the Police for some reason, may be time to get over it.

[Blackbird]

You obviously have a grudge against the Police for some reason, may be time to get over it.

With Azkle and Cassina sidelined, it's in the KB rules that someone has to take the title of KB Cock

[Jeff Sichoe]

https://youtu.be/Q_v34lK_oXw

Ban Fatty Food

Ban Smoking

Ban Suicide

Ban Sugar

Ban Driving / Riding

nah no thanks man, people have a certain amount of personal responsibility and being on the road includes the chance of death.

You can't santize life itself, and if you want that, I feel sorry for you.

[rambaldi]

In the UK the police had a couple of high profile cases where they had been chasing motorbike/moped riders that resulted in fatal crashes. The pursuit rules were updated so the police had to immediately abandon any pursuit involving a motorbike/moped if it became dangerous.

As a result:

• Crims have all started riding motobikes/mopeds
• As soon as a pursuit starts they take off their helmets or ride onto the pavement so the police have to abandon the pursuit
• Motorbike/moped thefts have sky rocketed - one particular trick used by the crims is spraying acid into the face of the rider at traffic lights and riding off on their bike while they are rolling on the ground in agony and loosing their sight
• muggings, snatch and grab, etc have increased dramatically

So the police not chasing isn't going to improve things.

The acid thing was because it wasn't classified as a weapon in charging guides or some such technical bullshit (so basically shorter sentences vs just using a knife). That has been changed recently and the acid attacks are going down. Just being replaced with being mugged for your bike normally now.

[awayatc]

No, of course not. I'm just making the point that responsibility doesn't rest purely in the hands of the Police.

Im imagining a world where Police dont pursue. It wouldn't take long for people to just put their foot down knowing that the Police won't bother.

Honest, decent people would stop. Ratbags wouldn't.

Sadly that is the truth. ......

Police should pursue......