The 2017 Election Thread

[sidecar bob]

I was working out how many flat whites I could have in retirement, but if I retired today and cashed up my KS this would do...


Probably just end up driving my Kombi Pickup around.

( signed mystery lurker who can't be arsed logging in on his phone)

How did you get a pic in my garage? . . . . Hang on, that's a Jag, not an Aston

[husaberg]

Aannnnd there it goes again. "But national..."



Not really, they're a way to wind massively disproportionate taxes back to where they were when they were introduced, before bracket creep put everyone's "contributions" up. Leave it long enough and everyone's paying the rate reserved for only rich pricks just a few years ago.



Back to front socialist drivel, it's sound decisions that equip you to save money, not the other way around.

Funny as all i hear out of you is but Labour.....
So lets see under Labour the top tax rate was reduced first from 66% to 33%
the next National government never changed it.
labour raised it to 39 in an attempt to fix the stuff the previous goverment never did and national are super heros for taking it down to the level Labour had it in 1985........Labour riased the top bracketup from 60,000 to 70,000
National did lower the higher rate plus the mid rate a fraction 33-30% after a few years
But they did this by raising GST 2.5% and borrowing heavy to pay for it sinking NZ into debt. they also halved the government kiwi saver contributions plus taxed the contributions.
Funny thing about your disproportionate tax angle is NZ is the second lowest in the OECD.
But even then the most of top earners dont pay their share of tax.

Inland Revenue monitors 200 New Zealanders worth more than $50 million each. Yet 46.5% of those multi-millionaires earn less than $70,000 a year, meaning they avoid paying the top income tax rate

But if you feel so strongly about these socialist things such as compulsory savings for retirement and really want low taxs
why dont we drop tax to 15% and get rid of those silly socialist pensions and free health care. Today would be a good time to start.

[sidecar bob]

Its not opportuniddys & digniddy you peasant.

[Ocean1]

Funny as all i hear out of you is but Labour.....

Yeah, we've already demonstrated that what you hear doesn't bear much resemblance to what's said.

So lets see under Labour the top tax rate was reduced first from 66% to 33%
the next National government never changed it.
labour raised it to 39 in an attempt to fix the stuff the previous goverment never did and national are super heros for taking it down to the level Labour had it in 1985........

So tax cuts are fine if they're made by labour, but if national reduce rates it's.....

But they did this by raising GST 2.5% and borrowing heavy to pay for it sinking NZ into debt. they also halved the government kiwi saver contributions plus taxed the contributions.

Are you not aware that your confirmation bias is waving in the breeze, that it's comically obvious that your every argument is driven my your blind prejudice? 'Cause it's fucking obvious to everyone else.

Funny thing about your disproportionate tax angle is NZ is the second lowest in the OECD.

Wrong again, (aren't you sick of that yet?) it's smack on the OECD average: https://taxpolicy.ird.govt.nz/sites/...tax-system.pdf

Which, for a small economy is particularly onerous. The fact that most of that tax is paid by the country's 10% most productive people and that it's deployment it's far more redistributive than most others makes it's application even less effective than usual.

But even then the most of top earners dont pay their share of tax.

Inland Revenue monitors 200 New Zealanders worth more than $50 million each. Yet 46.5% of those multi-millionaires earn less than $70,000 a year, meaning they avoid paying the top income tax rate

Yes we know you're insanely jealous of your betters, but for now nobody is taxed on their net worth, no matter how desperately you'd like to get your hands on their earnings. They're taxed like anyone else, on income. And if there was the slightest chance one of the advantaged, privileged elite were to be paying less than they legally should be then I have not the slightest doubt that greedy fucks like you would be the very first to point the police at them. And to hear you use terms like "fair" and "share" in describing any lack in grace on behalf of those who provide the vast bulk of the funds employed for what amounts to charity is, frankly hilariously inappropriate.

[Swoop]

Three already?.......
So What dates did these three tax increases on petrol occur.

The first was immediately after being elected - and breaking one of the election promises of "no new taxes". This was 9-12 c/lt.
11.5 c.lt for the Auckland region (affecting all of the country via goods produced) but it gets called an "Auckland tax".
Weeks after that there was the 3-4 c/lt excise tax increase. This will also happen each year for the next 3 years...
So, the taxation party are off to a bad start after only 1yr in office.

The National government raised the fuel tax by 3c, five times and 2c once during its nine years in office.
Glad the tooth-monster and the rest of the lunatics have their priorities in order, especially now that exploring for more oil will be cutting their own tax-based income stream.

[husaberg]

Yeah, we've already demonstrated that what you hear doesn't bear much resemblance to what's said.

Thats funny becuse you replied to a reply that was not even to you. Alzheimer's much

So tax cuts are fine if they're made by labour, but if national reduce rates it's.....

Tax cuts are fine who ever makes them, but not at the cost of lowering healthcare, schooling roading or infrastructure or at the cost of having to borrow money to pay for them which is what National did.

Wrong again, (aren't you sick of that yet?) it's smack on the OECD average: https://taxpolicy.ird.govt.nz/sites/...tax-system.pdf

Which, for a small economy is particularly onerous. The fact that most of that tax is paid by the country's 10% most productive people and that it's deployment it's far more redistributive than most others makes it's application even less effective than usual.

Really that not what this says

The OECD’s 2017 ‘Taxing Wages’ report shows New Zealand’s average tax wedge – a percentage of the total tax on wages paid by employees and employers minus family benefits – was 17.9 per cent last year
This is the second lowest of the 35 nations in the OECD and less than half the average “wedge” of 36 per cent. For comparison, at 28.6% Australia was the fifth lowest, while Belgium’s workers paid the biggest share at 54 per cent.
Those figures apply to individual earners with no children i.e. single Kiwis. For one-earner families with two children, that percentage drops to just 6.2%, the absolute lowest for this type of earner in the OECD.

https://www.mytax.co.nz/2017/07/do-k...x-in-the-oecd/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=11836883

Yes we know you're insanely jealous of your betters, but for now nobody is taxed on their net worth, no matter how desperately you'd like to get your hands on their earnings. They're taxed like anyone else, on income. And if there was the slightest chance one of the advantaged, privileged elite were to be paying less than they legally should be then I have not the slightest doubt that greedy fucks like you would be the very first to point the police at them. And to hear you use terms like "fair" and "share" in describing any lack in grace on behalf of those who provide the vast bulk of the funds employed for what amounts to charity is, frankly hilariously inappropriate.

Only they are not taxed on income they are taxed on reported income, everyone tries to lower their tax granted but half of NZ most wealthy are not living on less than $70,000 they just have accountants that make it look as if they are.

I note you never answered about the idea to lower tax to below 20% by getting rid of those socialist Pensions and free health care.
I pay the top rate its fine by me, i know one day i will get a pension and need heath care.

[sidecar bob]

The first was immediately after being elected - and breaking one of the election promises of "no new taxes". This was 9-12 c/lt.
11.5 c.lt for the Auckland region (affecting all of the country via goods produced) but it gets called an "Auckland tax".
Weeks after that there was the 3-4 c/lt excise tax increase. This will also happen each year for the next 3 years...
So, the taxation party are off to a bad start after only 1yr in office.

The National government raised the fuel tax by 3c, five times and 2c once during its nine years in office.
Glad the tooth-monster and the rest of the lunatics have their priorities in order, especially now that exploring for more oil will be cutting their own tax-based income stream.

But wait, there's more. Their (Labour's) end game is to tax petrol vehicles to death to Subsidise electric car owners, making petrol cars obsolete.
So somehow we have to import 4 million electric cars & dispose of 4 million petrol cars in short order, and broken arse labour voting simpletons are expected to put these electric cars on tick & pay them off from their not inconsiderable minimum wage at the fast food outlet. Fucking genius!

[husaberg]

The first was immediately after being elected - and breaking one of the election promises of "no new taxes". This was 9-12 c/lt.
11.5 c.lt for the Auckland region (affecting all of the country via goods produced) but it gets called an "Auckland tax".
Weeks after that there was the 3-4 c/lt excise tax increase. This will also happen each year for the next 3 years...
So, the taxation party are off to a bad start after only 1yr in office.

The National government raised the fuel tax by 3c, five times and 2c once during its nine years in office.
Glad the tooth-monster and the rest of the lunatics have their priorities in order, especially now that exploring for more oil will be cutting their own tax-based income stream.

No one gives a shit about Auckland its not a tax its a regional fund to fix national roads rather than the rest of the country paying for them.
Goods are not produced in Auckland f-all is produced in Auckaland other than costs for the rest of the country.
I note your "third" one claimed hasn't even came into effect yet.
thus there has been one. not three. not far off National av.

[sidecar bob]

No one gives a shit about Auckland its not a tax its a regional fund to fix national roads rather than the rest of the country paying for them.
Goods are not produced in Auckland f-all is produced in Auckaland other than costs for the rest of the country.
I note your "third" one claimed hasn't even came into effect yet.
thus there has been one. not three. not far off National av.

Two serious questions, 1-do Labour pay you to be obtuse? 2-could Labour do anything at all, where you would say, hey, that's not on, like for example if they required all first born males to be sacrificed, or because it's them, would that be ok with you?

[husaberg]

Two serious questions, 1-do Labour pay you to be obtuse? 2-could Labour do anything at all, where you would say, hey, that's not on, like for example if they required all first born males to be sacrificed, or because it's them, would that be ok with you?

Do national pay you to do the same?
People don't need to be paid to call out the nats and their boosters on shit they say.
Labour do plenty of stuff i dont agree with.
Cullen would not even visit here after a few of the locals set his limo a rocking.
National do far more
Remember i mentioned the 2000 odd jobs we lost here, they were real jobs and real people. most were 100K plus jobs.
imagine if 10% of Aucklnaders lost there jobs what that would do to the economy up there.
Thats without the 29 people who were killed here as National thought they knew better about mine safety than miners did and let the owners take care of the safety rather than the mines inspectors.
those 29 people are still dead and no one was made accountable for it.
The owners wrote it off as a tax loss were secured creditors.
Nationals knee jeck health and safety measures shut the rest.
All the while they propped up companies not owned by NZ ie Rio TInto.

[sidecar bob]

Thats without the 29 people who were killed here as National thought they knew better about mine safety than miners did and let the owners take care of the safety rather than the mines inspectors.
those 29 people are still dead and no one was made accountable for it.

Oh, while we are on that one, one of Labours election promises was that they swore on a stack of bibles that they would enter the mine & recover the bodies.
Want to take a bet with me right now that it never happens?

[Ocean1]

Thats funny becuse you replied to a reply that was not even to you. Alzheimer's much


Tax cuts are fine who ever makes them, but not at the cost of lowering healthcare, schooling roading or infrastructure or at the cost of having to borrow money to pay for them which is what National did.



Really that not what this says

https://www.mytax.co.nz/2017/07/do-k...x-in-the-oecd/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=11836883

Only they are not taxed on income they are taxed on reported income, everyone tries to lower their tax granted but half of NZ most wealthy are not living on less than $70,000 they just have accountants that make it look as if they are.

I note you never answered about the idea to lower tax to below 20% by getting rid of those socialist Pensions and free health care.
I pay the top rate its fine by me, i know one day i will get a pension and need heath care.

You know what? you're just not worth the effort. Not only do you willfully fabricate shit but you have no idea what you're talking about in the first place.

[husaberg]

Oh, while we are on that one, one of Labours election promises was that they swore on a stack of bibles that they would enter the mine & recover the bodies.
Want to take a bet with me right now that it never happens?

No, No ones entering the mine. They are entering the drift you cant enter the mine and its highly likely there is no bodies in the drift.
The drift is a rock tunnel that leads to the mine. its blocked by a rockfall. they might drill a few more bore holes to see if they can see what happened in the mine but its unlikely.
The company i used to work for at the request of its staff and families of the victims refused to seal the mine. As a result of this moral stand the company i worked for lost a lot of work (read milions of Dollars and this is a family owned business) elsewhere, somethings are more important than money. It beyond highly unlikely any further remains will be recovered. other than what has been allegedly recovered from the weir already.
I watched as John key promised to recover the bodies no mater what the cost, Which was stupid in the extreme. Labour knew enough not to make that sort of promise.

[Voltaire]

You know what? you're just not worth the effort. Not only do you willfully fabricate shit but you have no idea what you're talking about in the first place.

The world is running out of

quotes

stop replying and save them.

[Ocean1]

Oh, while we are on that one, one of Labours election promises was that they swore on a stack of bibles that they would enter the mine & recover the bodies.
Want to take a bet with me right now that it never happens?

Dude, safety means different things to different people.

It wasn't safe for the miners to be in there.
It was safe for the company to send more people in there immediately after the incident.
It was safe for rescue workers to go in.
It's been safe for government appointed investigators to go in there ever since then.
It's not safe for THIS government's people to go in there.

It's got me fucked.