Four dead and two hurt today

[russd7]

Those that ride this way and live to talk of it ... tend to put it all down to THEIR skill / ability ... and not luck. In too many cases it is simply luck they owe their survival to.[/B].

speak for yourself, do you also have trouble missing dogs?

yes luck does play a part but it is a very small part.
im no racer but I do push the boundaries from time to time and I have had some very close calls but luck had nothing to do with me avoiding them, awareness did.

[rastuscat]

What like Banditbandit

"A couple of weeks ago I came across a group of slow riders (doing under 100kph) wearing hi-Viz vests - I went round the outside on a wide open left-hander about 140klicks - found out later it was a Ride Forever course ... () .. bet the trainer had a bit to say to his pupils about the hoon on the Bandit .."

Is that cool?

The day of the fatal 1V on the back of Dyers Pass I had a group of learners out on Gebbies. Between Motukarara and when we met the road closure on Dyers we were overtaken by several high speed litre pocket rockets, and several cruisers of a particular brand. Sounds like Harley Ferguson.

I really had to explain to my lot that one day, they could choose to do what the demo riders were doing, but first I'd prefer them to become competent.

Interesting that anyone doing less than 100 is a slow rider. Maybe it's just someone enjoying the ride.

The rules on speed are easy in NZ. You can go as fast as you like, as long as you don't go faster than the number on the sign, and you can go as slow as you like, as long as you don't hold anyone up. I'm kind of a fan of both sides of those rules.

[Zipper2T]

and each time they do you just dumb down the drivers on these roads, they're all driving round in a day dream, and dead scared of getting nabbed trying to get past someone who is five ks under or incompetant which just means everyones more pissed off.

There are two e's in incompetent bro.

[FJRider]

There are two e's in incompetent bro.

But only ONE in incompetant ...

[bikaholic]

But only ONE in incompetant ...

Amazing, and only ONE in pedantic

[Berries]

Amazing, and only ONE in pedantic

You missed the full stop.

[SaferRides]

When the old fools are crashing off the road every weekend, it becomes everybody's fucking business.

Well, most of us aren't. Anyway, there are probably more tourists involved in fatal accidents than bikers, but that information is censored now.

Most "old fools" ride Harleys, maybe that's the problem?

[Berries]

Anyway, there are probably more tourists involved in fatal accidents than bikers, but that information is censored now.

Don't bring that old chestnut in to the conversation. Firstly, they aren't, and where they come from is recorded the same and thus available whether it is Chch or China.

[98tls]

Evening all,dont get in much these days but caught the stats re accidents on radio whilst on shift the other day at time thought to myself no doubt that will produce a thread full of stats n bullshit so decided to check in for a gander come the end of shift. Not much has changed it seems though the stats are more researched for all the use they are

[Katman]

Secondly, it's never anyone else's problem, nor do most around here think otherwise.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard "it's the car drivers causing all the crashes"......

You really do live in some bizarre alternative reality, don't you?

[Ocean1]

Nope, I may have written it to cause misunderstanding. I'll simplify.

I'd like people to do what they can to avoid shit that might happen to them.

It's actually possible to do this, and still enjoy riding.

My solutions are mine to address, not anyone elses.

Which is a sliding scale, all the way from high risk thrill seeking to stay in bed.

As is everyone else's solutions.

I'm not having a go at you, but we need to address the growing fashion of advocating about collective responsibility for individual behavior, regulation beyond a minimum few rules to reduce risk to others it's a complete nonsense.

And when it seeps into actual policy it's dangerous.

[rastuscat]

Have a read. The myth about it all being someone else's fault all the time can be dispelled. But those who refuse to see the facts just will keep repeating their own mantra.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets...ycles-2017.pdf

[pritch]

If I had a dollar for every time I heard "it's the car drivers causing all the crashes"......

The Hurt findings indicated as follows:

"Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most usually a passenger automobile.

In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents."

Most of us remember the "good news" in the second part of that and extrapolate that to mean that most of the time the motorcyclist is not at fault.

The other 25% of motorcycle accidents though were single vehicle accidents and it's difficult to blame someone else for those. Although that won't stop some from trying. According to my admittedly rusty math skills, that means that over half of all accidents were the fault of the motorcyclist.

Feel free to check my arithmetic.


Update: While I was posting that Rastus was busy posting his which has similar results. My math skills may be better than I thought.

[Ocean1]

Have a read. The myth about it all being someone else's fault all the time can be dispelled. But those who refuse to see the facts just will keep repeating their own mantra.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets...ycles-2017.pdf

Interesting. Right up to that same graph showing "40 and over".

I'm pointing and laughing.

[Ocean1]

The Hurt findings indicated as follows:

"Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most usually a passenger automobile.

In the multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents."

Most of us remember the "good news" in the second part of that and extrapolate that to mean that most of the time the motorcyclist is not at fault.

The other 25% of accidents though were single vehicle accidents and it's difficult to blame someone else for those. Although that won't stop some from trying. According to my admittedly rusty math skills, that means that over half of all accidents were the fault of the motorcyclist.

Feel free to check my arithmetic.

Correct.

Now find the same data for car drivers and compare.