older riders surviving badly

[SaferRides]

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[caspernz]

Based on my own observations, very few riders over 50 wear Hi Vis.

Perception becomes reality. In my group there are hardly any over 50 without the hi-viz stuff on.

There is a slight variation in how other road users treat me, with or without hi-viz on, but I don't feel any safer with hi-viz on. My bright yellow bike is its own hi-viz device.

[SaferRides]

Perception becomes reality. In my group there are hardly any over 50 without the hi-viz stuff on.

There is a slight variation in how other road users treat me, with or without hi-viz on, but I don't feel any safer with hi-viz on. My bright yellow bike is its own hi-viz device.

It's just my observations based on groups I've ridden with and riders I've met. I didn't start wearing it regularly until about 2 years ago.

I certainly don't feel any safer.

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[AllanB]

This would probably be of more use to help keep you alive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK7EV4MA-vw

Stopped watching after a few minutes.

At 1.35 the instructor starts passing one of the bikes with a on coming car. Then proceeds to ride along with only one hand on the bar while giving out safety instructions ..........

But they are wearing hi-viz :-)

[tigertim20]

This is what I don't understand, you say you won't wear hivis because you want to take personal responsibility for your safety, yet at the same time acknowledge it might help a bit sometimes. If you're taking personal responsibility for your safety, why would you not take all the help you can get?

Its more about the amount of gain for the amount of effort. I get far more gain from all the other steps which require less effort that fucking around with a HiVis over top of my leathers and camelback.

The Hi-Vis requires effort and cost and it MIGHT work

My ongoing training, hypervigilance and assumption that nobody has seen me is ALWAYS working

How does wearing hivis make anyone less responsible for their own safety, I don't see how these are mutually exclusive in some minds. Why the assumption that as soon as you put some hivis on you will immediately stop practising all the other active safety behaviours that help keep you out of harm's way? Why not use both? Unless you simply don't want to wear hivis for some other, more sartorial reason?

where did I say wearing it makes you less responsible? It seems you are so stuck on your own pro HiVis rhetoric that you twist comments to argue against something that was never said in the first place.
Hi Vis is a passive attempt at improving safety.
Im not a passive person. The efforts I put into ensuring my own safety are active efforts.

Here's the difference really - with the other steps that I actively take everytime I ride - any potnetial benefit of HiVis is redundant, because Ive already located the risk (other drivers etc) and actively taken steps and had a contingency plan - and Ive done this before the driver has had a chance to see me (or not)

In my years of riding I have never once had a situation where Ive thought afterwards - 'fuck, a hivis might have actually helped there'. If that sentiment were different Id perhaps wear them.
If YOU wanna wear a hiVis, great go wear one, but just because it makes YOU feel safer doesn't mean you need to bang on about why everyone who doesn't wear them should, and has (in your opinion) flawed logic

No cunts, this is Kiwibiker after all.

this IS kiwibiker, which means MOST of us are probably cunts.

[Berries]

.............but just because it makes YOU feel safer doesn't mean you need to bang on about why everyone who doesn't wear them should, and has (in your opinion) flawed logic

this IS kiwibiker, which means MOST of us are probably cunts.

Careful, you're starting to sound like FJRider with all your capitals.

[FJRider]

Careful, you're starting to sound like FJRider with all your capitals.

Capitals are like Hi-viz ... if that's what it takes to get noticed ...

[FJRider]

It's just my observations based on groups I've ridden with and riders I've met. I didn't start wearing it regularly until about 2 years ago.

I certainly don't feel any safer.

Sent from my expensive and pretty pink phone

Do you ride any different than you did in the past ... or do you just sit there and let the Hi-viz do it's thing ... ??

[rambaldi]

Its more about the amount of gain for the amount of effort. I get far more gain from all the other steps which require less effort that fucking around with a HiVis over top of my leathers and camelback.

The Hi-Vis requires effort and cost and it MIGHT work

My ongoing training, hypervigilance and assumption that nobody has seen me is ALWAYS working

How difficult is your Hi-Viz to put on? Mine lives on my jacket, put the jacket on and it is already on there. Didn't even pay anything for it as it came free from a training course.

[dangerous]

fucking wombles... I dont remember titling this thread HI-VIZ lol...

hey look... there has been some valuable info posted thanks people, what i have found is what I was thinking has ben reinforced so im not far off the mark... im aging, deal with it and get back to enjoying the ride.

[AllanB]

fucking wombles... I dont remember titling this thread HI-VIZ lol...

hey look... there has been some valuable info posted thanks people, what i have found is what I was thinking has ben reinforced so im not far off the mark... im aging, deal with it and get back to enjoying the ride.

BUT if you are over 50 and riding then you must wear hi-viz ?

Is Hi-viz the Viagra of motorcycling?

[nzspokes]

Stopped watching after a few minutes.

At 1.35 the instructor starts passing one of the bikes with a on coming car. Then proceeds to ride along with only one hand on the bar while giving out safety instructions ..........

But they are wearing hi-viz :-)

He was well clear on the overtake.

[AllanB]

He was well clear on the overtake.

Common NZS - if I posted a weekend ride video of that passing maneuver you'd be one of the first to call me out. Now there may be some great riding tips in the video but after that pass and the one handed riding while giving out advice I gave up.

What's the bar width? about 700mm probably. Do a visual or finger ruler and he is no more than 5-600 mm from a on-coming car. I don;t know how you Auckland guys ride, but that strikes me as bloody close.


I'd put money on it the blue car driver was mouthing 'what's that fucker doing on the center-line - bloody temporary citizen....'

Goes to show we are all human and regardless of your training or hi-viz, sometimes as humans we do shit.

[nzspokes]

Common NZS - if I posted a weekend ride video of that passing maneuver you'd be one of the first to call me out. Now there may be some great riding tips in the video but after that pass and the one handed riding while giving out advice I gave up.

What's the bar width? about 700mm probably. Do a visual or finger ruler and he is no more than 5-600 mm from a on-coming car. I don;t know how you Auckland guys ride, but that strikes me as bloody close.


I'd put money on it the blue car driver was mouthing 'what's that fucker doing on the center-line - bloody temporary citizen....'

Goes to show we are all human and regardless of your training or hi-viz, sometimes as humans we do shit.

Still a ton of room, overtake wasnt on until the car passed. All he did was move to position 3.

[nerrrd]

Its more about the amount of gain for the amount of effort. I get far more gain from all the other steps which require less effort that fucking around with a HiVis over top of my leathers and camelback.

The Hi-Vis requires effort and cost and it MIGHT work

My ongoing training, hypervigilance and assumption that nobody has seen me is ALWAYS working





where did I say wearing it makes you less responsible? It seems you are so stuck on your own pro HiVis rhetoric that you twist comments to argue against something that was never said in the first place.
Hi Vis is a passive attempt at improving safety.
Im not a passive person. The efforts I put into ensuring my own safety are active efforts.

Here's the difference really - with the other steps that I actively take everytime I ride - any potnetial benefit of HiVis is redundant, because Ive already located the risk (other drivers etc) and actively taken steps and had a contingency plan - and Ive done this before the driver has had a chance to see me (or not)

In my years of riding I have never once had a situation where Ive thought afterwards - 'fuck, a hivis might have actually helped there'. If that sentiment were different Id perhaps wear them.
If YOU wanna wear a hiVis, great go wear one, but just because it makes YOU feel safer doesn't mean you need to bang on about why everyone who doesn't wear them should, and has (in your opinion) flawed logic



this IS kiwibiker, which means MOST of us are probably cunts.

For sure, cunts to a man.

Frankly I am in awe of your ability to actively monitor every single threat in every single direction every time you ride.

For me active + passive = more safety. I still don't really understand how active + passive wouldn't equal more safety for you as well, but there you go. Good luck to you.