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[TheDemonLord]

I'm aware that making sense of words on a page is difficult for the Berk but I expected better from you.

My comment on Rwanda is merely making the observation that America doesn't lift a finger if there's nothing in it for them and therefore makes a mockery of their assumed title of World Police.

Go back and read the post again.

Carefully this time.

That observation comes with a number of presuppositions.

Namely that it was right for the US to have a Military intervention and that by not doing so, they were in the wrong.

In which case, you prove my critique.

You can't make an observation that it was wrong for the US to not send troops in, if you think the US shouldn't have sent in troops.

[Katman]

That observation comes with a number of presuppositions.

Namely that it was right for the US to have a Military intervention and that by not doing so, they were in the wrong.

In which case, you prove my critique.

You can't make an observation that it was wrong for the US to not send troops in, if you think the US shouldn't have sent in troops.

Who said anything about troops?

[oldrider]

Who said anything about troops?

Despite what Donald has "said" the troops are still there - until they have actually left Syria etc everything remains the same!

Men shall be known for what they do rather than what they say! - Time will reveal all.

[mashman]

Are you husaberk's twin?

Donald acts for Donald alone and no one can do anything about it? .

[TheDemonLord]

Who said anything about troops?

Oh I see.

Genocidal mobs have always reacted so positively to polite requests to stop...

[Katman]

Oh I see.

Genocidal mobs have always reacted so positively to polite requests to stop...

There were steps that could have been taken to try to avoid the situation turning into genocide in the first place.

And Jewish bankers have a fair amount of responsibility for the economic collapse of Rwanda in the few years leading up to the genocide.

Funny that.

[Katman]

And besides, the presence of 'troops' doesn't have to entail going to war.

There's such a thing as Peace Keeping missions.

[husaberg]

Oh I see.

Genocidal mobs have always reacted so positively to polite requests to stop...

Odd because The US did as did the UN Security Council The Borders Crossing were manned to prevent more weapons entering and The UN had armed force on the Ground
Yet all of this was done and none of this worked it kind of makes you wonder what other US intervention Katmam "claims now"he was meaning.

And besides, the presence of 'troops' doesn't have to entail going to war.

There's such a thing as Peace Keeping missions.

Epic lack of knowledge displayed there. No real surprise though at least you are consistent.
I guess the thousands of UN armed peace keeping troops deployed in Rwanda before after and during the genocide must have escaped your notice

The United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR) was established by United Nations Security Council Resolution 872 on 5 October 1993. It was intended to assist in the implementation of the Arusha Accords, signed on 4 August 1993, which was meant to end the Rwandan Civil War. The mission lasted from October 1993 to March 1996.Its activities were meant to aid the peace process between the Hutu-dominated Rwandese government and the Tutsi-dominated rebel Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF). The UNAMIR has received much attention for its role in failing, due to the limitations of its rules of engagement, to prevent the Rwandan genocide and outbreak of fighting.

http://www.un.org/Depts/DPKO/Missions/unamir_b.htm

In October 1993, the Security Council, by its resolution 872 (1993), established another international force, the United Nations Assistance Mission for Rwanda (UNAMIR), to help the parties implement the agreement, monitor its implementation and support the transitional Government. UNAMIR's demilitarized zone sector headquarters was established upon the arrival of the advance party and became operational on 1 November 1993, when the NMOG II elements were absorbed into UNAMIR. Deployment of the UNAMIR battalion in Kigali, composed of contingents from Belgium and Bangladesh, was completed in the first part of December 1993, and the Kigali weapons-secure area was established on 24 December.
The United Nations solicited troop contributions, but initially only Belgium with a half a battalion of 400 troops, and Bangladesh with a logistical element of 400 troops, offered personnel. It took five months to reach the authorized strength of 2,548. But because of many unresolved issues between the parties, implementation of the agreement was delayed. Consequently, the inauguration of the transitional Government never took place.

In April 1994, the Presidents of Rwanda and of Burundi were killed while returning from peace talks in Tanzania, when the Rwandese plane crashed, in circumstances that are still to be determined, as it was landing in Kigali, Rwanda's capital. This set off a tidal wave of political and ethnic killings: the Prime Minister, cabinet ministers and UNAMIR peacekeepers were among the first victims.

The killings, targeting Tutsi and moderate Hutus, were mainly carried out by the armed forces, the presidential guard and the ruling party's youth militia, as subsequently confirmed by the Special Rapporteur on Rwanda of the United Nations Human Rights Commission. The RPF resumed its advance from the north and the east of Rwanda, and government authority disintegrated.

An interim Government was formed, but failed to stop the massacres. With the RPF's southward push, the number of displaced persons and refugees increased tremendously. On 28 April alone, 280,000 people fled to Tanzania to escape the violence. Another wave of refugees went to Zaire. The United Nations and other agencies provided emergency assistance on an unprecedented scale.

UNAMIR sought to arrange a ceasefire, without success, and its personnel came increasingly under attack. After some countries unilaterally withdrew their contingents, the Security Council, by its resolution 912 (1994) of 21 April 1994, reduced UNAMIR's strength from 2,548 to 270. Despite its reduced presence, UNAMIR troops managed to protect thousands of Rwandese who took shelter at sites under UNAMIR control.

The Security Council, by adopting resolution 918 (1994) of 17 May 1994, imposed an arms embargo against Rwanda, called for urgent international action and increased UNAMIR's strength to up to 5,500 troops. But it took nearly six months for Member States to provide the troops.

To contribute to the security of civilians, the Council, by resolution 929 (1994) of 22 June 1994, authorized, under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter, a multi-national humanitarian operation. French-led multinational forces carried out "Operation Turquoise", which established a humanitarian protection zone in south-western Rwanda. The operation ended in August 1994 and UNAMIR took over in the zone.

In July, RPF forces took control of Rwanda, ending the civil war, and established a broad-based Government. The new Government declared its commitment to the 1993 peace agreement and assured UNAMIR that it would cooperate on the return of refugees.

For their part, when the conflict broken out in April, UNOMUR observers had expanded their monitoring activities in Uganda to the entire border area. But the Security Council gradually scaled down the operation, and UNOMUR left Uganda in September.

By October 1994, estimates suggested that out of a population of 7.9 million, at least half a million people had been killed. Some 2 million had fled to other countries and as many as 2 million people were internally displaced. A United Nations humanitarian appeal launched in July raised $762 million, making it possible to respond to the enormous humanitarian challenge.

[TheDemonLord]

There were steps that could have been taken to try to avoid the situation turning into genocide in the first place.

And what steps, do you think should have been tried, that would have been effective?

And Jewish bankers have a fair amount of responsibility for the economic collapse of Rwanda in the few years leading up to the genocide.

Funny that.

Now, that sounds an awful lot like an admission that I was right:

When they send troops in, it's bad because it's what the Jews/Israel wants.
When they pull troops out, it's bad because it's what the Jews/Israel wants.

And besides, the presence of 'troops' doesn't have to entail going to war.

There's such a thing as Peace Keeping missions.

Yes, worked out so well in Rwanda, Didn't it....

If my memory is correct the peace keeping mission had their Achilles tendons cut, their Genitals hacked off and were eventually choked to death with their freshly severed genitals by a mob of Machete wielding Hutus.

[Katman]

But then again, peace keeping missions don't expend anywhere near enough ammunition.

Clearly there's no money to be made in them

[Katman]

Yes, worked out so well in Rwanda, Didn't it....

If my memory is correct the peace keeping mission had their Achilles tendons cut, their Genitals hacked off and were eventually choked to death with their freshly severed genitals by a mob of Machete wielding Hutus.

Do you really think 500 men were sufficient to maintain peace?

[FJRider]

And besides, the presence of 'troops' doesn't have to entail going to war.

There's such a thing as Peace Keeping missions.

The American Department of Defense foots the bill for more than a quarter of the United Nations’ $7 billion annual “peacekeeping” budget. But the UN’s poorly conceived missions usually fail to live up to the name ... I wonder how long the UN peacekeeping will continue if the US pulls out of those too.

If it doesn't immediately affect the US economy or it's "Interest's" ... they wont bother ...

[Katman]

If it doesn't immediately affect the US economy or it's "Interest's" ... they wont bother ...

And yet they want to pretend that they act as the World Police.

[Grumph]

The American Department of Defense foots the bill for more than a quarter of the United Nations’ $7 billion annual “peacekeeping” budget. But the UN’s poorly conceived missions usually fail to live up to the name ... I wonder how long the UN peacekeeping will continue if the US pulls out of those too.

If it doesn't immediately affect the US economy or it's "Interest's" ... they wont bother ...

How long before any funded "peacekeeping missions" are only to protect Trump property ?

[FJRider]

And yet they want to pretend that they act as the World Police.

Trump does have acting experience ...