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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Yeah ease of starting was a reason I didn't buy a mate's 256 Rotax GP bike, but a set of rollers or a drill starter would have fixed it. Hadn't really seen them back then. . . Circa 15 yrs back.

    Being post 82 was the final nail and we don't do Bears up here really. Good chch bike.
    you do need to get out more, there's bears at the Cemetery Circuit and this fine meeting into it's fourth year back up north from memory, although you may be meaning bucket bears, they don't do that anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    The penny dropped eventually - it's a 24V version.
    sounds like the 1960's mate.....

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    Oh, so two meetings, well I was completely wrong when I said 'really'
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    Quote Originally Posted by jellywrestler View Post
    sounds like the 1960's mate.....
    Not really. The late small truck starters are visually identical to 12V car versions. This one I know was bought off trademe with very little info. A set of numbers stamped onto the motor body with no makers mark isn't much to go on...
    Ross did actually do 24V versions to order. HD's and big twins on alky liked them.

    To be fair to Dave, he's right in that the whole BEARS scene is a lifestyle choice down here. But that Rotax left ChCh because they also don't like 2 strokes...
    From memory it was reclassified as F1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Oh, so two meetings, well I was completely wrong when I said 'really'
    settle down, saw it as an opportunity to advertise the meeting, there's classes at other meetings to petal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    To be fair to Dave, he's right in that the whole BEARS scene is a lifestyle choice down here. But that Rotax left ChCh because they also don't like 2 strokes...
    From memory it was reclassified as F1.
    Remember the hate that used to get poured on the chock chasers esp the two strokes.

    But bugger Bears i think what NZ needs is a Single cylinder class just one rule it has to be single cylinder.
    Split it in two classes 0-250 and open



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    The owner told me erm. . Was it Dave Hicks, or another Dave who had it used to sandbag in 2nd place then fight for the lead at last lap. But if he made a mistake he catch it all up in a few corners. It got reclassified then I was told.

    Heck I dunno Bears seems to be a bit redundant with S1000RRs and the like, but how could they stay in a time warp without being post classics?

    I was interested as a pre82, for which the engine was 1980/81, but the chassis I found was 84 and they made first TZ ones 83. Shame.
    With small cct mikunis I dynod it at 60hp with a sweet fat curve at very pedestrian revs. The rods were the weakness but bigger pin modifications could dramatically alter what safe revs could be achieved. Those barrels were super advanced for the time.

    Anyhow, enough derailing if the thread with talk of the insensible twin. Still resides in a mate's spare room but my life took another path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    The owner told me erm. . Was it Dave Hicks, or another Dave who had it used to sandbag in 2nd place then fight for the lead at last lap. But if he made a mistake he catch it all up in a few corners. It got reclassified then I was told.

    Heck I dunno Bears seems to be a bit redundant with S1000RRs and the like, but how could they stay in a time warp without being post classics?

    I was interested as a pre82, for which the engine was 1980/81, but the chassis I found was 84 and they made first TZ ones 83. Shame.
    With small cct mikunis I dynod it at 60hp with a sweet fat curve at very pedestrian revs. The rods were the weakness but bigger pin modifications could dramatically alter what safe revs could be achieved. Those barrels were super advanced for the time.

    Anyhow, enough derailing if the thread with talk of the insensible twin. Still resides in a mate's spare room but my life took another path.
    There is a guy who can make Old style looking cylinders with RSW porting.
    He offered to build some for Lozza on pitlane pretty cheap too. that 60 would be closer to 100HP



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    Just safely raising the revs would take 60 to 70 all day long. Spigot mods and larger carbs, lose the Motosplat ignition- another jump.
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    Greg, here's somethings from my files for the one-way clutch for a drill-powered starter attachment for 125/250 2T

    "They were just a socket with the square end bored out and a mcmaster 2489K6 pressed in with a stepped shaft and a couple of snap rings to keep it all together."

    https://www.mcmaster.com/2489k6

    cheers,
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    thanks Michael. I can't open that - my internet as usual - but it might help someone.

    IMO, off the shelf locally trumps a potentially neater but harder to source solution....

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    From the link, it appears to be a standard industrial part that your local bearing house can probably provide (or at least something similar to it):

    One-Way Locking Needle-Roller Bearing Clutch
    Single Row, Acetal Plastic Spring, for 3/4" Shaft Diameter
    System of Measurement Inch
    Bearing Type Roller
    Roller Bearing Type Needle
    Construction Single Row
    Seal Type Open
    For Shaft Type Round
    For Shaft Diameter 3/4"
    ID 0.75"
    ID Tolerance -0.0005" to 0"
    For Housing ID 1"
    OD 1"
    Min. OD Tolerance -0.001"
    Maximum OD Tolerance 0"
    Width 5/8"
    Width Tolerance -0.01" to 0"
    Ring Material Steel
    Roller Material Steel
    Cage Material Acetal Plastic
    Spring Material Acetal Plastic
    Maximum Speed 12,000 rpm
    Maximum Torque 17 ft.-lbs.
    Lubrication Required
    For Shaft Surface Smoothness (Ra) 16 microinch
    Shaft Mount Type Press Fit
    Temperature Range -20° to 200° F
    RoHS Compliant

    The needles in these bearings roll freely in one direction, but lock to transmit torque when the rotation of the shaft is reversed. Also known as drawn-cup roller clutches. An arrow on the lip indicates the rotational direction that locks the bearings.

    Single-row bearings do not support loads from any direction. To support radial loads, use with our Needle-Roller Bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Darryl me thinks
    Never met him but but i have an idea he do Alloy fab for a job.
    Darryl, he's a coachbuilder, anything he builds is immaculate
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    is the The Sensible Twin finshed ?
    i'm over buckets

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr bucketracer View Post
    is the The Sensible Twin finshed ?
    Believe me, I'm going like fuck on it Scott. Working at getting the roller finished before the ignition arrives.
    Currently mounting a half fairing and the instruments. Tank is away being TIG'd - unlike you, I don't have TIG.

    It's the little bits that hold you up. Into town today for more tubing, fasteners and vinyl for the number boards...

    If the engine doesn't work out, at least I'll have a tidy roller which can take wider rims - and probably up to 100HP....

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