The firearm thread

[JimO]

You lot better get ready to hand over all your guns to the tooth fairy.

yep we can expect massive changes to firearms laws

[AllanB]

yep we can expect massive changes to firearms laws

Good.
WTF does anyone in NZ need a automatic multi round gun designed for the forces need for private use?
To make them feel better about their small dick?

[Oakie]

I have a 15 shot semi-auto .22. I don't expect that'll be a problem but you never know. (Oh, I live in Christchurch and my rifle came inside late yesterday afternoon instead of sleeping in it's cabinet.)

[SaferRides]

Now we know why the Aussie came here to massacre Moslems.

[caseye]

Good.
WTF does anyone in NZ need a automatic multi round gun designed for the forces need for private use?
To make them feel better about their small dick?

Just to clarify, no one in NZ outside of our armed services is allowed to own or operate an Automatic weapon. Collectors can have them, but cannot operte them.
Only semi automatic weapons are allowed to be owned by standard firearms owners. They are restricted to magazine capacities of 7 for a centre fire and `15 for a .22 or rimfire calibre rifle.
Again, though a semi automatic rifle that can accomodate a 7 round magazine can of course take a 15/20/30/50 100 round magazine.
Which is why it is an offence for anyone who doesn't have a C or E catagory firearms licence to own a magazine with a capacity greater than 7 for centre fire or 15 for .22 or rimfire.
Our firarms laws are quite robust, while it was once that there was a firearms register, the cost of compliance both for owners and for the Police was way to great to be sustained so it was canned well over 20 years ago.
NZ like Oz is a land of farmers, hunters and shooters of all sorts,while full on Military rifles are not suited to hunting generally, they are good for long range shooting,falling plate and combat range shooting, NZ I believe still holds the Ballinger Belt a trophy put up many years ago for the best open sights 3.0.3 at 1000 yards, shot between NZ and Australia.
Competition is fierce and as with any other sport, the better the equipment the easier competing becomes, so no, for almost every normal, sane rifle/gun owner out there it isn't about dick size, it's about owning and operating the best.
Penalising well over 250,000 licenced law abiding gun owners for the actions of usually non licence holders doing dumb shit with guns doesn't work.
Ask the Poms, Knife crime is now at epidemic proportions over there, the only ones with guns are the very people the laws were changed to prevent having them, the criminals!

There is in my opinion good reason to tighten up on firearms licence holders coming here from overseas, sadly yesterdays events have highlighted this very scenario only too well.
Lets try and keep this whole mess in perspective, like cars, guns don't kill, unless deliberately pointed/steered at someone and the trigger pulled or the throttle stomped on.
Do we ban all of the different types of cars because somoene who can't drive as well as the next guy shoundn't have it. who makes that call?
The Gubbermint? certainly not! in my humble opinion, I'd be surprised if any of the current labour govt have a firarms licence between them, what would they know about guns?

[caseye]

Now we know why the Aussie came here to massacre Moslems.

It would not have made a scrap of difference where this abomination came from, they had a firearms licence, proof of which should have to be verified, before they can purchase or obtain any here in NZ, it appears that didn't/doesn't happen.
I'm not even going to joke about this shooter being an Ozzie, or suggest that the shooter couldn't have been a New Zealander and look they wern't, lucky old us , aye! Really, come on, it's way too serious to simply use it as a throw away line and shug it off.
They could well have been and NZ has allowed their kind to say aloud what they'd do and how and not acted then, we all need to take a good hard look.

[SaferRides]

Probably too soon to be discussing this sorry, I just had a quick look at what was being discussed about our gun control legislation in overseas media.

[Laava]

You lot better get ready to hand over all your guns to the tooth fairy.

Bit of an over reaction there pal. Probably apply mainly to automatic and any military style semiautomatics. Good idea as far as I am concerned, they are useless for anything other than warfare or just spraying bullets.

[jasonu]

Good.
WTF does anyone in NZ need a 200mph motorcycle for private use?
To make them feel better about their small dick?

There you go

[pritch]

Probably too soon to be discussing this sorry,

True. The PM said she was sure that there would be a change to firearms laws, probably before she had any idea what the current laws are.

Despite what some here have said there are legitimate reasons for owning a military semi auto. Farmers in areas with a goat problem use them. They are not shooting for sport they are trying to kill the whole herd before thay escape back into the bush. There are sporting competitions that use them, although those might now be endangered species.

The Australians had a buy back programme. Be interesting to see how the government reacts to the budget estimate for a similar programme here.

Our society has changed and as someone else said, the chardonnay socialists in government probably don't even know anybody who owns a gun. There's a large number of single mums and others who know nothing about guns except what they've seen on TV, and that's all bad. As ranges have been closed and access to areas suitable for shooting have gone so the numbers of participants have dropped.

Still, outside the city limits most houses still have a gun. It's just another farm tool and people who don't have one can piss their neighbours off.

[onearmedbandit]

Still, outside the city limits most houses still have a gun. It's just another farm tool and people who don't have one can piss their neighbours off.

You're having a laugh right?

[husaberg]

True. The PM said she was sure that there would be a change to firearms laws, probably before she had any idea what the current laws are.

Despite what some here have said there are legitimate reasons for owning a military semi auto. Farmers in areas with a goat problem use them. They are not shooting for sport they are trying to kill the whole herd before thay escape back into the bush. There are sporting competitions that use them, although those might now be endangered species.
f.

Goats are not that great a problem that they warrant not changing the laws.
Rabbits though i almost see a need for semi auto 22 short though. nothing above that calibre though.
Collectors can see have their other assault style large calibre firearms they just need to be made inoperable. We had huge numbers of cheap firearms dumped on us with the Chinese imports and the collaspe of the soviet union.
We coped without them prior just fine.

[jasonu]

Goat are not that great a problem that they warrent not changing the laws.
Rabbits though i see a need for semi auto 22 short though. nothing above that calibre though.

22 short? You may as well chuck a pebble.... .17hmr is the varmint hunters weapon of choice here.

[husaberg]

22 short? You may as well chuck a pebble.... .17hmr is the varmint hunters weapon of choice here.

its Wabbits Jason you can practically pick them up with your hands, no need for Extreme velocity rounds
Few rabbits were harmed

[jellywrestler]

yep we can expect massive changes to firearms laws

why, do they limit petrol sales to 100ml as there are arsonists can get hold of it?
what about cell phones, they must contribute to a fair few deaths on the road each year but they don't bother with policing that shit....