The 2017 Election Thread

[Berries]

You only have to look at India, Veitnam, Malaysia, etc, if everybody on small motorcycles in those countries drove a car the countries would cease to move.

Yeah, but not sure that the safety performance of those three countries really supports everybody here jumping on a Vespa.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/m...ries-to-drive/

[Scubbo]

Yet they get a lot more shit done than nz ever will... safety is a really poor argument holding back innovation and self responsibility in this country.

[Ocean1]

Yeah, but not sure that the safety performance of those three countries really supports everybody here jumping on a Vespa.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/m...ries-to-drive/

The fact that spending hours parked up in a queue averaging 20kph is inherently safer than doing something closer to the posted speed limit isn't a good enough reason to deliberately paralyse your transport system.

Safety nazis always quote the benefits of any changes to a system in terms of injuries and fatalities, and completely ignore the costs of those changes in terms of comparative lifetimes spent crawling in traffic, for example.

Similar to the blindness of the greens in arbitrarily cutting funding to anything road transport related every chance they get on one hand while completely ignoring the huge increase in pollution caused by traffic not actually moving at effective speeds on the other. Both ideologies are deeply flawed.

[Voltaire]

You only have to look at India, Veitnam, Malaysia, etc, if everybody on small motorcycles in those countries drove a car the countries would cease to move.

They all aspire to owing a car, unfortunately the planet cannot take much more of Western Lifestyle.
I found riding in India and Vietnam 'interesting'. Outside the Police Stations they put up crash photos in all the gory detail.
I would not drive/ride at night.
Some of that here might promote an improved driving style.

[Swoop]

I can't understand why scooters & small motorcycles aren't getting a few breaks, like $40 a year rego & other govt perks to make them an attractive option.
They would reduce congestion, lower fuel use, cause less damage to infrastructure, free up a heap of car parks to name a few.

Carparks will become even rarer now that Phuckwit Goff is planning to sell council carparks to fund the fiscal incompetence demonstrated with the rail project.

[sidecar bob]

They all aspire to owing a car, unfortunately the planet cannot take much more of Western Lifestyle.
I found riding in India and Vietnam 'interesting'. Outside the Police Stations they put up crash photos in all the gory detail.
I would not drive/ride at night.
Some of that here might promote an improved driving style.

You cant change the world, but you can change yourself.
I'm saving the planet one T Max commute at a time.

[Swoop]

Pike river mine re-entry.

Presumably this has been postponed to get some tailor-made overalls ready for winston "I'll be the first to enter" peters?

[husaberg]

Pike river mine re-entry.

Presumably this has been postponed to get some tailor-made overalls ready for winston "I'll be the first to enter" peters?

Its scheduled for this week., with is quite a bit faster than the previous governments refusal to enter ever.
As soon as the oxygen source can be confirmed it will go ahead as planned.
Maybe if you knew some of the 29 that died or see their children and partners almost daily you might think before you make jokes about entering a crime scene where so many people died?

[jasonu]

Its scheduled for this week., with is quite a bit faster than the previous governments refusal to enter ever.
As soon as the oxygen source can be confirmed it will go ahead as planned.
Maybe if you knew some of the 29 that died or see their children and partners almost daily you might think before you make jokes about entering a crime scene where so many people died?

Risking live people to find and recover dead people doesn't sound all that smart.

[husaberg]

Risking live people to find and recover dead people doesn't sound all that smart.

No ones lives are being risked to recover dead bodies.
Do you even know what area they are exploring? they are not entering the part of the mine where they would even expect to find any bodies
The last lot were very keen on sealing it up for ever and making sure no one was prosecuted.

I guess justice is for sale in the US.
The peasents out in the sticks like to view it a little differently .
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/natio...-supreme-court
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=10738223
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/110...iabolical?rm=m
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5961...pector-grilled
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...-mine-disaster

[TheDemonLord]

Risking live people to find and recover dead people doesn't sound all that smart.

Tell that to various branches of the US Military - that all take the creed of Leave no one Behind as gospel.

[jasonu]

No ones lives are being risked to recover dead bodies.
Do you even know what area they are exploring? they are not entering the part of the mine where they would even expect to find any bodies

So that makes it a big waste of time and money.


The last lot were very keen on sealing it up for ever and making sure no one was prosecuted.

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But but but National...

[husaberg]

But but but National...

I will take that as you dont know shit about it but wanted to try anyway.
I have been to Pike i knew some of the people who died i knew a lot others that worked there i know the families of the victims, i see some nearly everyday, I worked for the company that refused to seal the mine.
what do you actually know about what happened or why it did?

[Ocean1]

Tell that to various branches of the US Military - that all take the creed of Leave no one Behind as gospel.

I've often wondered how HASWA legislation worked in an organisation who's primary product is the absolute antithesis of the intent behind it. With a great deal of confusion I assume.

I see the usual backpedaling in the face of having to deliver on yet another election promise has ramped up too: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/polit...Rv0NK6jXGQigD4

[husaberg]

https://thestandard.org.nz/pike-rive...ise-he-denies/