The 2017 Election Thread

[sidecar bob]

I see Labour is about to make it easier for the lazy & disorganised to vote come next election.
They clearly understand who their supporters are.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...anges-for-2020
Voting, for me has always involved putting in a bit of effort to go somewhere I don't usually go, which I felt prevented people from voting on a whim, a bit like picking up a Crunchie bar while paying for petrol.
Oh well, nothing special about it now. You can even enroll at the same time.

[Ocean1]

I see Labour is about to make it easier for the lazy & disorganised to vote come next election.
They clearly understand who their supporters are.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...anges-for-2020
Voting for me has always involved putting in a bit of effort to go somewhere I don't usually go, which I felt prevented people from voting on a whim, a bit like picking up a crunchier bar while paying for petrol.
Oh well, nothing special about it now. You can even enroll at the same time.

Voting booths exclusively at teh queue at WINZ wouldn't surprise me.

Not sure what our turnout is nowadays but it used to be high by international standards. Higher than the US, where it's supposedly compulsory.

[pritch]

Voting booths exclusively at teh queue at WINZ wouldn't surprise me.

Haven't heard of that, but there did used to be a guy in the foyer of the local office asking anyone who entered the building if they wished to enrol. WINZ were in the building, as were lawyers, accountants, surveyors and others.

Actually I approve of the moves. It's a major contrast to the gerrymandering and voter supression that goes on the US.

[austingtir]

Haven't heard of that, but there did used to be a guy in the foyer of the local office asking anyone who entered the building if they wished to enrol. WINZ were in the building, as were lawyers, accountants, surveyors and others.

Actually I approve of the moves. It's a major contrast to the gerrymandering and voter supression that goes on the US.

And there you go again acting like you know an ounce of what your talking about.

[Ocean1]

Haven't heard of that, but there did used to be a guy in the foyer of the local office asking anyone who entered the building if they wished to enrol. WINZ were in the building, as were lawyers, accountants, surveyors and others.

Actually I approve of the moves. It's a major contrast to the gerrymandering and voter supression that goes on the US.

Yeah I remember that, a sort of internal, under the counter reverse gerrymandering.

I dunno, though, I tend to think that if you struggle to get out of bed to vote then I'm not sure if your opinion about how the country should work is all that valuable.

In fact I could make a strong case for voting eligibility dependent on a short economics quiz. Maybe some history.

[sidecar bob]

Phil can wash his hands of it now.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...sing-portfolio
If only it was that easy in real life.
Apparently it's not an admission of failure, it's that the portfolio was too big for one minister.
These ministers can employ as many minions as they require, it's hardly like he was doing it himself at all.
The guy had failure written all over him prior to the election & he didn't dissapoint.

[jasonu]

Phil can wash his hands of it now.
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...sing-portfolio
If only it was that easy in real life.
Apparently it's not an admission of failure, it's that the portfolio was too big for one minister.
These ministers can employ as many minions as they require, it's hardly like he was doing it himself at all.
The guy had failure written all over him prior to the election & he didn't dissapoint.

A total bunch of fuckwits.

[sidecar bob]

A total bunch of fuckwits.

And announce it all the night before they all head off on a few weeks well earned leave & can't be interviewed about it until it's old news.
120 homes to date when we were promised 1000 by now, & the gullible & stupid voted for it in droves.

[Scubbo]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113...mmon-rent-rise

who would have thunk it -- eh well, least you'll live in an insulated home with a heater ?? >_>

[sidecar bob]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113...mmon-rent-rise

who would have thunk it -- eh well, least you'll live in an insulated home with a heater ?? >_>

Are they really "vulnerable renters"? $120 buys $120 worth of product, I can do them one for six times that at the mo if they want, very nice it is too.
Of course it's going to be a cold dark garage if nobody turns the light on or puts a heater on in Christchurch at this time of year, cut the emotional crap headliner.
Some people either fear the commitment of owning a home, or want to live a life of luxury in a beautiful rented home instead of doing the hard graft to get there of their own accord.
Nobody is forcing anybody to rent a house anywhere, the whole thing is driven from the free will of the renter, with the law stacked firmly in their favour.

[Scubbo]

the gov was warned that this was going to happen too, their reasoning for forcing accommodation standards right now was they'll build more state homes/kiwibuild to saturate the market and drive down rents before the rent increase would be passed on... or something like that? (out of touch with everything including TIME)

that's' the problem when you have ministers with no real world experience, just ideals based upon reading a book and talking in coffee houses

[Ocean1]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/113...mmon-rent-rise

who would have thunk it -- eh well, least you'll live in an insulated home with a heater ?? >_>

"with the new insulation rules for rental homes coming into effect on July 1, we think landlords may be passing this cost on to tenants."

Ya think?

Seems there's a abundance of articles in every news source almost daily expressing indignant outrage any time a tenant is expected to pay somewhere close to the actual cost of supplying a house.

[sidecar bob]

Ya think?

Seems there's a abundance of articles in every news source almost daily expressing indignant outrage any time a tenant is expected to pay somewhere close to the actual cost of supplying a house.

It's not landlord greed, it's simply a matter of survival.
Just the difference between a floating rate or a fixed rate can be the difference between sink or swim.

[george formby]

Are they really "vulnerable renters"? $120 buys $120 worth of product, I can do them one for six times that at the mo if they want, very nice it is too.
Of course it's going to be a cold dark garage if nobody turns the light on or puts a heater on in Christchurch at this time of year, cut the emotional crap.
Some people either fear the commitment of owning a home, or want to live a life of luxury in a beautiful rented home instead of doing the hard graft to get there of their own accord.
Nobody is forcing anybody to rent a house anywhere, the whole thing is driven from the free will of the renter, with the law stacked firmly in their favour.

My partner showed a prospective tenant around a 3 bedroom property recently. They asked if the walls were insulated. Er' no, it's 30 years old. They demanded that we were obliged, by law, to do this. She agreed to have all the walls pulled down and insulation installed but the rent would have to cover the cost. $900 per week was suggested. First payment due when the builders turned up.

I believe they are still looking for somewhere to live.

[sidecar bob]

My partner showed a prospective tenant around a 3 bedroom property recently. They asked if the walls were insulated. Er' no, it's 30 years old. They demanded that we were obliged, by law, to do this. She agreed to have all the walls pulled down and insulation installed but the rent would have to cover the cost. $900 per week was suggested. First payment due when the builders turned up.

I believe they are still looking for somewhere to live.

Oh, an "I know my rights" tenant. Second best kind.
If anyone (Husa) can be arsed to dig back through my posts I did say these things would drive rent up, over a year ago.