The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**pritch** · 29th November 2019, 09:13

I see that David Duke has endorsed Tulsi Gabbard. Sounds about right.

Updates:

Tulsi Gabbard has rejected Duke's endorsement. Duke responds that he didn't mean to endorse Gabbard, he just endorses her stance against Neocon Zionist wars.
If you Google it the impression is that everybody, including the inmates at Stormfront, is having a say.

**TheDemonLord** · 29th November 2019, 09:27

Originally Posted by pritch

I see that David Duke has endorsed Tulsi Gabbard. Sounds about right.

Yes....

Because Neo-Nazis have a long history of Supporting Ethnic Minority Women...

**oldrider** · 29th November 2019, 21:23

- POTUS? Trump may have had an offer he can't refuse -

- War with Iran or face impeachment - (or maybe even both?) -

- Time reveals all. -

**pritch** · 30th November 2019, 08:05

Last night on Twitter there was a really good 60 Minutes clip on the GRU interference in the US elections but alas, I can't find it right now. For those of you who are a bit behind, or were actually sucked in, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLQuJFMayg

I mentioned it here previously but apparently it offended Yokel. The FBI warned the DNC that they had been hacked but the DNC IT guy did nothing. Later when asked why, he replied that he thought the phone call might have been one of his mates having him on. There is a procedure for dealing with this situation which anybody working in an office environment should know, but not the DNC apparently.

**oldrider** · 30th November 2019, 09:25

Impeachment - a Very Jewish Coup:-

- https://russia-insider.com/en/impeac...eid=4030a10227 - Backing both sides guarantees a winner? -

**Viking01** · 30th November 2019, 10:05

Originally Posted by pritch

Last night on Twitter there was a really good 60 Minutes clip on the GRU interference in the US elections but alas, I can't find it right now. For those of you who are a bit behind, or were actually sucked in, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLQuJFMayg

I mentioned it here previously but apparently it offended Yokel. The FBI warned the DNC that they had been hacked but the DNC IT guy did nothing. Later when asked why, he replied that he thought the phone call might have been one of his mates having him on. There is a procedure for dealing with this situation which anybody working in an office environment should know, but not the DNC apparently.

Thanks for posting the video clip, but if that qualifies as sound evidence, I still only see plenty of accusations and very little actual evidence.

1. Accusations vs Evidence
Plenty of accusations to justify an expulsion of Russian embassy staff (to sour the US-Russian political relationship) and justify a levying of further economic sanctions against Russia.

You don't need a pending election to provide a backdrop to do the above, but it is very handy. Especially when one of the then-surging candidates was showing some desire to "repair" the political relationship.

2. Preference for a Candidate

Putin stated a preference when interviewed. So what ?

Given Clinton's support for waging wars (ignore any support for Trump in the following article), it's hardly a surprise that Putin expressed a preference to the candidate less focused on war.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougban...cans-to-fight/

But in the greater scheme of things, what would it even matter ?

Do you not think that (i) SuperPACS (ii) Electoral College (iii) other countries, would exert far more political influence on the US, or more control on the outcome of a US election ?

It was not that long ago that old hawk John McCain was accusing Russia of simply being "a gas station masquerading as a country".

3. Hacking Emails

So the US intelligence agencies declare that some of Hillary's email (insecurely stored on an external server) was hacked ? And that - once certain embarrassing content had been made public by Wikileaks, Russia was the most likely candidate for having perpetrated a hack ?

https://off-guardian.org/2019/07/25/...ddling-claims/

And we should continue to believe the US intelligence agencies, when current Secretary of State Pompeo has publicly stated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPt-zXn05ac

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

**Katman** · 30th November 2019, 10:25

Originally Posted by Viking01

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

Too Mills & Boon for you?

**austingtir** · 30th November 2019, 10:29

^^

What most people dont realize is Hilldog was selling access to her email server. Hence pay to play and why it was unsecured.

All these narratives about her being hacked is complete bullshit.

I am of the opinion that if EVERYTHING came out that has gone on over the last 4 decades or more the world economy would collapse and it would cause major world conflicts as in real deal WW3. That imo is how deep all this goes and why it will never see the light of day.

If they release real data on whats actually been going on the general public will shit their beds.

**pritch** · 30th November 2019, 11:45

Originally Posted by Viking01

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.

**austingtir** · 30th November 2019, 11:53

Originally Posted by pritch

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.

Where do you even start with someone that is this brainwashed by the MSM?

Total waste of time even bothering imo.

**jasonu** · 30th November 2019, 12:12

Originally Posted by pritch

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.

Are you on drugs???

Seriously though, the dems are so fixated on the impeachment hearings they seam to have forgotten the next election is now less than a year away and still have not put forward a POTUS candidate that is worth a shit.