Grace Millane.

[TheDemonLord]

Just because you said it (and possibly even believe it) does not make it true.

Obligations exist outside the legal framework.

Do they?

That's a rather bold claim.

Who is the Arbiter of these Obligations to which you speak of, what is the penalty for failure to adhere? What are the circumstances around when they are applicable?

But to head this off at the pass - you are talking about Society expectations, however - those are neither universal nor enforced.

And you'll note a key difference in wording - Obligation vs Expectation.

[TheDemonLord]

That doesn't change the fact that your view of Libertarianism is grossly skewed.

That depends on which strain of Libertarianism you view it from - most however place an emphasis on personal autonomy and the right for the individual to choose as opposed to the State or other institution to choose for you.

Thus my summation of 'It's not that I wouldn't help, It's that I don't want to be forced to help.' is entirely in line with Libertarian thought, since it is based upon my right to choose to help or not.

Of course, I should point out that I'm not an absolute Libertarian - in case you want to bring up other positions that I hold.

[tigertim20]

I'll say this slowly so you can understand it Drew.

It..is..not..wise..to..ask..a..total..stranger..to ..choke..you.

If you can't understand that, then you're beyond help.

I cant see that letting a stranger choke you poses any more inherent danger than inviting a 'stranger' to have sex with you in the first place.

[FJRider]

Do they?

That's a rather bold claim.

Who is the Arbiter of these Obligations to which you speak of, what is the penalty for failure to adhere? What are the circumstances around when they are applicable?

But to head this off at the pass - you are talking about Society expectations, however - those are neither universal nor enforced.

And you'll note a key difference in wording - Obligation vs Expectation.

Nope, just a simple moral obligation.


Probably not something you'd be aware of in it's basic form. Helping those that need and WANT help ...

Not about control, simply just helping. And usually, not even life threatening to the helper.

[Laava]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?.

Holy fuck! Irony overload! Someone call a smelter!

[Katman]

I cant see that letting a stranger choke you poses any more inherent danger than inviting a 'stranger' to have sex with you in the first place.

Then go and sit in the corner with Drew.

[Drew]

I cant see that letting a stranger choke you poses any more inherent danger than inviting a 'stranger' to have sex with you in the first place.

Then go and sit in the corner with Drew.

Is this corner the place where logical thinking happens?

[husaberg]

Is this corner the place where logical thinking happens?

Hey Drew you will notice that stevo never used an example of man "trolling for good times George Michael style" at the taupo public toilets or randomly begging dudes for blowjobs as a example of risky behaviour iniviting dealth
Like hes trying to do with this thread, hes not interested in the facts only his normal baiting for troll. What katman is tying to do is recreate the persona cassina. Someone he deeply admired and shared so many attributes with.

[MaxPenguin]

Hey Drew you will notice that stevo never used an example of man "trolling for good times George Michael style" at the taupo public toilets or randomly begging dudes for blowjobs as a example of risky behaviour iniviting dealth
Like hes trying to do with this thread, hes not interested in the facts only his normal baiting for troll. What katman is tying to do is recreate the persona cassina. Someone he deeply admired and shared so many attributes with.

No he isn't. He is just stating that it isn't a very sensible thing to do asking a total stranger to choke you. He isn't saying that she deserved to be murdered. You are coming up with that part all by yourself.

[sidecar bob]

No he isn't. He is just stating that it isn't a very sensible thing to do asking a total stranger to choke you. He isn't saying that she deserved to be murdered. You are coming up with that part all by yourself.

Yes, and he made his position on that quite clear many many posts ago, and I'm sure most aren't denying him the right to that opinion.
Yet he continues to push his views on others, expecting them to bow to his superior opinion.
Very much the same as the anti vax thread.
No wisdom has ever entered a brain through an open mouth.

[MaxPenguin]

Yes, and he made his position on that quite clear many many posts ago, and I'm sure most aren't denying him the right to that opinion.
Yet he continues to push his views on others, expecting them to bow to his superior opinion.
Very much the same as the anti vax thread.
No wisdom has ever entered a brain through an open mouth.

Pretty sure he stated his view once, then subsequent posts were correcting the assumptions made by the others.

[Katman]

Pretty sure he stated his view once, then subsequent posts were correcting the assumptions made by the others.

See how easy it is to understand what someone is saying when one doesn't let personal animosity cloud ones judgement.

[sidecar bob]

Pretty sure he stated his view once, then subsequent posts were correcting the assumptions made by the others.

Correcting assumptions, or refusing to accept their is an acceptable view other than his own?

[sidecar bob]

See how easy it is to understand what someone is saying when one doesn't let personal animosity cloud ones judgement.

I have no personal animosity towards yourself, however it does frustrate me that you have no interest in considering the viewpoint of another in the slightest.
Fortunately I'm not in a position of spending my life posting on here to validate my existence, so not particularly concerned what goes down really.

[MaxPenguin]

Correcting assumptions, or refusing to accept their is an acceptable view other than his own?

Not what has been happening from what I can see.