Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

[Viking01]

There are a number of different quinine salts that can be used to treat malaria such as quinine dihydrochloride or quinine bisuplhate. Quinine is used as an an anti-malarial and it works by interfering with haeme biosynthesis in our red blood cells, which the malarial parasite uses as part of its infection cycle.

Chloroquine (and hydrochloroquine suphate is a salt of this) is a similar but molecularly distinct drug that were developed to help reduce the side-effects of quinine-based drugs. They essentially do the same thing. One of the major side-effects of both drugs is anaemia (cause by loss of haeme). Chloroquine is also somewhat immunosuppressive which is why it can be prescribed for autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and lupus.

I would treat any anti-Covid19 claims with caution as the current studies (and the previous SARS ones) have simply shown that it kills virus sitting in a dish, which is worlds away from being effective in people. To put this in context, put ethanol on a virus and it will kill it but prescribing single malt is unlikely to prevent infection.

Hopefully clinical trials are in progress as the immunosuppressive effects of Chloroquine may be useful in preventing sepsis during pneumonia.

Morning. Thanks for the good summary. Had seen that several sets of clinical trials were currently underway in Europe e.g. an article from 3 days ago:

https://www.france24.com/en/20200320...he-coronavirus

Though I will still continue with my self-imposed self-isolate and self-medicate (single malt) approach.

Cheers

[MaxPenguin]

Like the Spanish flu? Or Ebola?

It's not like we have a history of calling Diseases by their place of origin....

Spanish flu originated in Kansas

[TheDemonLord]

Spanish flu originated in Kansas

Or China - if we are floating hypothesis.

[oldrider]

35 Sources showing the COVID19 / corona virus is over hyped, and likely fraud. - https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/h...8zRns3PU5ecxek -

The only person that I know of (by hearsay) that has been diagnosed positive is in Queenstown and has been stood down in isolation by a doctor as "symptomatic" has apparently been refused an official test! - - WTF?

[MaxPenguin]

35 Sources showing the COVID19 / corona virus is over hyped, and likely fraud. - https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/h...8zRns3PU5ecxek -

The only person that I know of (by hearsay) that has been diagnosed positive is in Queenstown and has been stood down in isolation by a doctor as "symptomatic" has apparently been refused an official test! - - WTF?

Maybe you should go out and start licking people.

[Oscar]

35 Sources showing the COVID19 / corona virus is over hyped, and likely fraud. - https://revealingfraud.com/2020/03/h...8zRns3PU5ecxek -

The only person that I know of (by hearsay) that has been diagnosed positive is in Queenstown and has been stood down in isolation by a doctor as "symptomatic" has apparently been refused an official test! - - WTF?

So let's prove your theory.
Get down to your local hospital and await the arrival of some "fraudulent" patients.
Then feel free to lick their faces.

[sugilite:Me]

I picked up my wife at Auckland Airport at 0500 this morning. They were restricting building entry to passengers only. Had to meet my wife in the main car park but they were handing out free tickets so all good. She travelled all the way from London in one of those new Qatar Q Suites. Reckoned that they were superb. Apart from the odd feed and movie watching, just shut the door and slept. Apparently, she got the last but one flight out before Qatar shut down the service.

Glad to hear she made it back Blackbird

[oldrider]

So let's prove your theory.
Get down to your local hospital and await the arrival of some "fraudulent" patients.
Then feel free to lick their faces.

Your interpretation - not mine - but feel free to distort all you like - it's what you do!

[Blackbird]

Glad to hear she made it back Blackbird

Thank you! We've been together for 48 years and will freely admit that I was a lot more emotional than I thought I'd be seeing her sitting on her suitcase in the car park when I rolled up. Must be getting soft !

[pritch]

So I went and did a grocery stock up. Now I need to learn the supermarket online ordering system which looks "interesting".

There is a modest wine cellar here but a sad lack of single malt. YouTube's Ralfy gives some good recommendations, so I will hunt one down. Only for the antiseptic qualities of course...

According to TV1 one of the local iwi were making hand sanitiser and handing it out to their elderly. They were using vodka and aloe vera. Apparently to be effective the alcohol needs to be 60%, normal vodka is about 40% so is not suitable for hand sanitiser. Since their effort was shown on TV, I hope someone told them the news.

A US politician is telling people that breathing high temperature air will kill the virus before it gets to the lungs. He's recommending people use a hair dryer to heat the air they breathe. That's sure to end badly.

Italian mayors are getting upset at people not staying home. One mayor told university students wanting to break the isolation rules to hold graduation parties, "You have your party, I'll send Police - with flamethrowers."
That should do it.

[Oscar]

Your interpretation - not mine - but feel free to distort all you like - it's what you do!

You're the one posting rumour and gossip:

The only person that I know of (by hearsay)

Perhaps you explain how I distorted it?
Or are you saying (as you have before), that you just post false news and fake drivel, but don't necessarily believe it.

[austingtir]

It verges on sad and hilarious how little you lot seem to know.


The malaria drug Trump was going on about has been widely used in China (if you can believe them because they are full of shit on everything else) they've tested it on thousands of people and claim it works (the japanese version of the drug mixed with something else).

The chinese have also from practically day dot when they finally started going after the virus 2 months after it was getting around tested practically every drug in existance on their own people in clinical trials. Probably tens of thousands of different drugs.




Anyway im here to tell you lot CHINA LIED and continues to do so.

7 million + infected just in Wuhan and 200k+ dead and that was a month ago!


Wake up.

[oldrider]

You're the one posting rumour and gossip:


Perhaps you explain how I distorted it?
Or are you saying (as you have before), that you just post false news and fake drivel, but don't necessarily believe it.

No need - you have answered your own question.

[sugilite:Me]

It verges on sad and hilarious how little you lot seem to know.


The malaria drug Trump was going on about has been widely used in China (if you can believe them because they are full of shit on everything else) they've tested it on thousands of people and claim it works (the japanese version of the drug mixed with something else).

The chinese have also from practically day dot when they finally started going after the virus 2 months after it was getting around tested practically every drug in existance on their own people in clinical trials. Probably tens of thousands of different drugs.


Anyway im here to tell you lot CHINA LIED and continues to do so.

7 million + infected just in Wuhan and 200k+ dead and that was a month ago!

Wake up.

Very good post. Naturally a big who knows on the actual numbers, but likely very, very high.

[MaxPenguin]

It verges on sad and hilarious how little you lot seem to know.


The malaria drug Trump was going on about has been widely used in China (if you can believe them because they are full of shit on everything else) they've tested it on thousands of people and claim it works (the japanese version of the drug mixed with something else).

The chinese have also from practically day dot when they finally started going after the virus 2 months after it was getting around tested practically every drug in existance on their own people in clinical trials. Probably tens of thousands of different drugs.




Anyway im here to tell you lot CHINA LIED and continues to do so.

7 million + infected just in Wuhan and 200k+ dead and that was a month ago!


Wake up.

Very good post. Naturally a big who knows on the actual numbers, but likely very, very high.

And this people is called a circle jerk.