The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[pritch]

Bikers for Trump could give all bikers a bad name. These numbnuts are protested the DNC convention.

The DNC convention is a virtual convention this year, the people appearing are streaming from where they live, not from Milwaukee. There's probably just some campaign management types and a bunch of technical people at the convention centre. The guests and delegates are all over the United States. So revving their engines outside the convention centre might make them feel good but it just makes them look stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1a9Bq2ec3Q

[Viking01]

There have been references to Koch in the coverage, I think it's acknowledged he was behind much of the current skullduggery.

The Koch brothers, as it was, have been behind a lot of the right wing policies in the States, their dark money even buying local elections.

As you said ....

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/...p-elect-trump/

[pritch]

News overnight that a judge has ordered Trump to pay Stormy Daniel's legal fees. North of $67,000 in our Pacific pesos.

[husaberg]

As you said ....
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/...p-elect-trump/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/u...l-funding.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette...ising-scheme/#

http://While the tone of Trump’s sta... Steve,”

Among the other Trump allies who have been indicted or imprisoned we can count the President's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort (Bannon effectively replaced him); his former lawyer, Michael Cohen; his one-time national security advisor, Michael Flynn; Manafort's deputy, Rick Gates; Representatives Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter (two early Trump supporters); and donor/political operatives Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who have pleaded not guilty to criminal charges that they funneled foreign money into US elections. The two are linked closely with Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney, and have aided Giuliani's effort to compile what he has claimed is damaging information on Trump's political rival, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden

Bannon is hardly the first person to get this treatment. Paul Manafort chaired Trump’s campaign for three crucial months, including the period when he clinched and accepted the Republican nomination, but in February 2017, Trump said, “Paul Manafort was replaced long before the election took place. He was only there for a short period of time.” A month later, Press Secretary Sean Spicer was widely mocked for saying that Manafort “played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time.” (Manafort has since been indicted for laundering $75 million; Trump and his lawyers noted the alleged behavior was not related to the campaign.)

Something similar happened to Michael Flynn, once a close friend and key campaign surrogate of the president’s. Trump named Flynn national-security adviser shortly after the election, despite warnings not do so from aides and from President Barack Obama.
Later, after Flynn had lied to both Vice President Mike Pence and the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador, Trump’s spokespeople praised Flynn’s character and service, and according to sworn congressional testimony, Trump asked then-FBI Director James Comey to pull back an investigation into Flynn. Yet when Flynn recently pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, Trump lawyer Ty Cobb dismissed him as “a former Obama administration official.”

When George Papadopoulos joined the Trump campaign as a foreign-policy adviser, he included him in a small meetings and singled him out for praise during a meeting with The Washington Post editorial board, calling him “an excellent guy.” After Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents, however, the president dismissed him as a “young, low level volunteer” who “few people knew.”

[Naki Rat]

Well written article. Worth running the audio content to gain full impact.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...davis-1038206/

[Viking01]

http://While the tone of Trump’s sta... Steve,”

Re post #9289

Don't mis-quote me, and then drag me into your arguments ... 8-)

[husaberg]

Re post #9289

Don't mis-quote me, and then drag me into your arguments ... 8-)

Do you have deap seated physiological issues that should be resolved by pharmaceutical intervention?

[Viking01]

Do you have deap seated physiological issues that should be resolved by pharmaceutical intervention?

If you compare the links quoted in my earlier post (#9287) and your subsequent response (#9289), you might notice that completely different links are involved. Hence my comment.

[husaberg]

If you compare the links quoted in my earlier post (#9287) and your subsequent response (#9289), you might notice that completely different links are involved. Hence my comment.

Whilst that explained your comment but not your extreme levels of paranoia.
maybe you would like to point at the argument i dragged you or attemted to drag you iinto for a start.

[husaberg]

isnt it odd how the USSR president for lifes Putins political oponents tend to get sick or die so often.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-r...ys-11597906728

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Alexei Navalny 2020
One of the fiercest critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin is in a coma in a hospital in Siberia. His colleagues believe that Alexei Navalny was poisoned. Two years ago, Navalny tried to run against Putin in presidential elections, but he wasn't allowed to register as a candidate.

Pyotr Verzilov
Pyotr Verzilov, a Russian opposition activist, said he went through the same symptoms in 2018, including being put on a ventilator and eventually being flown to a German hospital for treatment, according to the New York Times.

Boris Nemtsov, 2015
In the 1990s, Nemtsov was a political star of post-Soviet Russia’s "young reformers." He became deputy prime minister and was, for a while, seen as possible presidential material — but it was Putin who succeeded former president Boris Yeltsin in 2000. Nemtsov publicly supported the choice, but he grew increasingly critical as Putin rolled back civil liberties and was eventually pushed to the margins of Russian political life. Nemstov led massive street rallies in protest of the 2011 parliamentary election results and wrote reports on official corruption. He also was arrested several times as the Kremlin cracked down on opposition rallies. In Feb. 2015, just hours after urging the public to join a march against Russia's military involvement in Ukraine, Nemtsov was shot four times in the back by an unknown assailant within view of the Kremlin. Putin took "personal control" of the investigation into Nemtsov’s murder, but the killer remains at large.

Boris Berezovsky, 2013
A self-styled tycoon who become a fixture in Yeltsin's inner circle in the late 1990s, Berezovsky is believed to have been instrumental in Putin's rise to power (including a media campaign that smeared Nemtsov). But Berezovsky was unable to exert the influence under the new president he had hoped. His falling out with Putin led to his self-exile in the United Kingdom, where he vowed to bring down the president. He also accused the Kremlin of orchestrating the killing of Alexander Litvinenko, a former intelligence officer and whistleblower poisoned to death in 2009. Berezovsky was found dead inside a locked bathroom at his home in the United Kingdom, a noose around his neck, in what was at first deemed a suicide. However, the coroner’s office could not determine the cause of death.

Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova, 2009
Markelov was a human rights lawyer known for representing Chechen civilians in human rights cases again the Russian military. He also represented journalists who found themselves in legal trouble after writing articles critical of Putin, including Novaya Gazeta reporter Anna Politkovskaya, who was slain in 2006. Markelov was shot by a masked gunman near the Kremlin. Baburova, also a journalist from Novaya Gazeta, was fatally shot as she tried to help him. Russian authorities said a neo-Nazi group was behind the killings, and two members were convicted of the deaths.

Sergei Magnitsky, 2009
Lawyer Sergei Magnitsky died in police custody in November 2009 after allegedly being brutally beaten, then denied medical care. He had been working for British-American businessman William Browder to investigate a massive tax fraud case. Magnitsky was allegedly arrested after uncovering evidence suggesting that police officials were behind the fraud. In 2012, Magnitsky was posthumously convicted of tax evasion, and Browder lobbied the U.S. government to impose sanctions on those linked to his death. The sanctions bill bears his name and has since been applied to rights abusers in other cases.

Natalia Estemirova, 2009
Natalya Estemirova was a journalist who investigated abductions and murders that had become commonplace in Chechnya. There, pro-Russian security forces waged a brutal crackdown to weed out Islamic militants responsible for some of the country's worst terrorist attacks. Like fellow journalist Anna Politkovskaya, Estemirova reported on civilians who often got caught between these two violent forces. Estemirova was kidnapped outside her home, shot several times — including a point-blank shot in the head — and dumped in the nearby woods. Nobody has been convicted of her murder.

Anna Politkovskaya, 2006
Anna Politkovskaya was a Russian reporter for Novaya Gazeta whose book, "Putin's Russia," accused the Kremlin leader of turning the country into a police state. She wrote extensively about abuse in Chechnya, and once or twice appeared on radio shows in Moscow with me. She was shot at point-blank range in an elevator in her building. Five men were convicted of her murder, but the judge found that it was a contract killing, with $150,000 of the fee paid by a person whose identity was never discovered. Putin denied any Kremlin involvement in Politkovskaya's killing, saying that her "death in itself is more damaging to the current authorities both in Russia and the Chechen Republic ... than her activities."

The same week Politkovskaya was poisoned, Roman Tsepov, who was a bodyguard for President Vladimir Putin in the 1990s before he came to power, became violently ill and died a few days after having a cup of tea at a local Russian security service office—his autopsy revealed radioactive material in his body.



Alexander Litvinenko, 2006
"Alexander Litvinenko was a former KGB agent who died three weeks after drinking a cup of tea" laced with deadly polonium-210 at a London hotel, as Business Insider wrote a year ago. "A British inquiry found that Litvinenko was poisoned by Russian agents Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, who were acting on orders that had 'probably been approved'" by Putin. Russia refused to extradite them, and in 2015 the Russian president granted Lugovoi a medal for "services to the motherland." After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, Litvinenko became a vocal critic of the agency, which was run by Putin, and later blamed the security service for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead. Russia's invasion of Chechnya followed later that year — and with it, the rise to power of Putin. Berezovsky was suspected to be complicit in at least part of the plot to bring Putin to the Kremlin, but he later sought to implicate Putin for Litvinenko's killing. Litvinenko also accused Putin ordering the murder of Politkovskaya.
Aleksandr V. Litvinenko, a rogue Russian intelligence officer, died after drinking tea laced with a lethal radioactive isotope, polonium 210, just a month after Politkovskaya’s murder—a 2016 British investigation concluded his death could have been approved by Putin himself.

Opposition leader Vladimir Kara-Murza was poisoned in 2015, one month after calling for the U.S. to impose harsher sanctions on Russia during a series of public meetings on Capitol Hill—Kara-Murza said he was poisoned again in 2017 as he toured Russia showcasing a documentary about murdered Putin critic Boris Nemtsov.

Sergei Yushenkov, 2003
The affable former army colonel was a favorite of parliamentary reporters in the early 1990s, when I was learning the trade for the Moscow Times. Sergei Yushenkov had just registered his Liberal Russia movement as a political party when he was gunned down outside his home in Moscow. Yushenkov was gathering evidence he believed proved that the Putin government was behind one of the apartment bombings in 1999.

Yuri Shchekochikhin, 2003
As a journalist and author who wrote about crime and corruption in the former Soviet Union when it was still very difficult to do so, Yuri Shchekochikhin once joined me on a police raid of crack houses in Philadelphia in 1988. He was investigating the 1999 apartment bombings for Novaya Gazeta when he contracted a mysterious illness in July 2003. He died suddenly, a few days before he was supposed to depart for the United States. His medical documents were deemed classified by Russian authorities.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_20vrE95OF0

[sugilite:Me]

Trumps signiture policy from 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...t-was-possible

Demonlord, thoughts on it's success?

Now Trumps sister - a former federal judge says he is completely untrustworthy.
Demonlord, how is it you keep the faith with Trump when multiple members of his own family says he is not fit for the job?


Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?

[TheDemonLord]

Trumps signiture policy from 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-r...t-was-possible

Demonlord, thoughts on it's success?

Using Wikipedia as a source (because I'm lazy) - in 2019 he said by the end of 2020 he would build 450-500 Miles of Wall,

According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, 275 miles had been completed by August 10, 2020

Now, making allowances for the My Sharona virus, That's not bad going, especially when you also factor in various shenanigans by the House and the Senate (AKA the Government Shutdown)

Now Trumps sister - a former federal judge says he is completely untrustworthy.
Demonlord, how is it you keep the faith with Trump when multiple members of his own family says he is not fit for the job?

There's multiple ways to answer this:

1: He's no more or no less trustworthy than any other politician (e.g. not at all)
2: Family rivalries, especially in 'high profile' families aren't anything new, Nor is a family members venting in private only for such comments to be taken out of Context
3: Doesn't it strike you as odd that a private conversation, about Trump just so happened to be recorded and just so happened to be passed to left-wing media outlets with a known hatred against the man - has all the hallmarks of a setup to me.

Getting back to the concept of Trust though, I don't trust per-se Trump, what I do see is that he's prepared to tell certain groups (who have a shared Marxist undertone, hate the west etc. etc.) to get Fucked - that's why I like him and support him.

There's other things as well - much harder to put into words - he does things in a way that seem to 'expose' the underlying beliefs of those fringe groups. As an example - He recently pardoned the Lady who championed Women's Suffrage in the US - this is a small act, causes him zero political backlash from his supporters - but because She was an Idol for so many of his ideological opponents, they were scrabbling to 'cancel' her or to downplay his Pardon, which exposes their real motivations.

I personally really enjoy this - the unreasonable reaction to his reasonable actions are influencing a lot of disenfranchised Traditional Democrat voters to disassociate with the radical end of the Democrat party and in some cases even consider voting for Him.

Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?

Let's put aside the Guilt-by-association for the moment. Much has been made about the various arrests and charges etc. Some of them have merit, others less so (to put it Mildly) - If You'll allow me to quickly fold myself a new Hat made from the finest Aluminium Foil...

All I see is a deliberate effort to dig up skeletons, by people who still haven't accepted the 2016 election result. I'll be honest from the 'Muh Russia' to Impeachment - each additional act has a distinct oudor of desperation about it. I don't believe that any of these actions were undertaken in good faith or as part of a solemn duty.


I get that with each accusation to people like yourself and pritch etc. it looks more and more like definitive proof of wrongdoing, but not to me. If you want to chalk that up to 'faith' on my part - be my guest.

I trust that answers the questions put to me so, here's a question for you - in the below link, you'll see Trump's 2020 Agenda.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...genda-n2574894

Things I like:

JOBS

Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
"Made in America" Tax Credits

END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA
·Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
·Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
·Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States
·No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China

EDUCATION

·Teach American Exceptionalism

DRAIN THE SWAMP

·Pass Congressional Term Limits
·End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
·Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
·Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens
·Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

DEFEND OUR POLICE

·Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice

AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY

·Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home

The rest in that list I'm either not too fussed about or think it's Trump Hyperbole (Yes, I'm looking at you, Space Force).

Now quibbles about Tax cuts and 'how is he going to achieve that' aside - on the face of those Policies, are there any that you wholeheartedly disagree with?

To me that Policy set is pretty well-rounded, there's some environmental concessions in there, some commitments to the Blue Collar worker, There's policy to reign in China (who we have shared concerns over).

Some of the Tax Cut policy if I put my lefty hat on (which is seldom used these days) I'd say that the promised tax cuts will end-up disproportionately benefiting big corporations and enabling them to pay less of their 'fair share' and the working man will be just as screwed as always - but even then it's stated intended target is the Blue Collar Worker.

[Bonez]

Now to the stuff that really matters.

The Republicans/Trump also stopped 100% tariffs on European m/cs 300-700ccs, parts and riding related gear.

https://advrider.com/narrow-escape-m...s-tariff-list/

[pritch]

Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?

They've just had a paedophile protecting priest speak at the Trump convention. Who else do you know consorts with so many pedos?

Interesting titbit from the upcoming Cohen book. He mentions golden showers in the USA. Remember the Steele dossier mentioned golden showers in Russia, and how Trump denied it all? One claim is questionable but it seems fat boy has a kink in that direction - and Putin probably has the tapes.

Lawyers for E Jean Carrol who has claimed she was raped by Trump, and has DNA evidence, have requested Trump submit a DNA sample. Of course as anybody wishing to prove his innocence would do, Trump has refused. It might be interesting if her lawyers requested a DNA sample from Mary Trump?