Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

**Bonez** · 18th September 2020, 13:10

Originally Posted by R650R

Most of our stuff centres around a bad roundabout where people decide to illegally turn left from right lane marked right turn only. Nothing speed related really.
Roundabout too small for truck to be in right lane so been a few people under trailers which doesn’t end well.

How often does that happen? Trucks have gotten longer with a larger carrying capacity. Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.

At one point logging trucks were the longest/heaviest on our roads.

**R650R** · 18th September 2020, 13:15

Originally Posted by rastuscat

No, they prefer to catch people doing dumb stuff themselves, it's easier than chasing up someone's footage.

Also remember the evidential chain necessary when footage is used. The person using the dash cam would need to come to any court case, as the officer didn't take the footage. Like I said, it's faff factor. It's just more evidentially efficient for the officer to prosecute what they see themselves.

Also remember that the police don't get the money from fines. But that just doesn't resonate with most folk, as it doesn't suit their narrative.

COLOUR OF LAW... I’m sure you know how most police operations work works wide...

Evidence is only needed when some sucker doesn’t dumbly confess. Most average Joes won’t be aware of what you describe above. They will dumbly confess at side of road when confronted by cop hoping their honesty will let them talk their way out of it.

**Bonez** · 18th September 2020, 13:26

Originally Posted by R650R

COLOUR OF LAW... I’m sure you know how most police operations work works wide...

Evidence is only needed when some sucker doesn’t dumbly confess. Most average Joes won’t be aware of what you describe above. They will dumbly confess at side of road when confronted by cop hoping their honesty will let them talk their way out of it.

More generic bull shit. You come across as what I guess would be considered as a stereotypical trucky by SOME road users. Who think all NZ roads are just for them. Surprise Surprise buddy but they are NOT!. They are for the use of ALL road users whether you fucking like it or not. So go curl up in a corner and have a wee cry..

And before you bitch the fact I don't know what I'm on about I've probably had my HT license from before you were even born. Transported and been backup driver hauling ordinance around the country.

**Scuba_Steve** · 18th September 2020, 13:57

Originally Posted by Bonez

Fuck you are full of generalisations. Corruption is all over the place not just in GUMMERMENT DEPTS. such as law enforcement. You sound like one of pritchs Antifa peaceful protestors crowd ffs.

Break out of that bubble and put some bifocals on.

Take off those rose tints; generalizations come from somewhere
Yes corruption is all over the place but the legal system should be the least of it. In NZ it stands as one of the most... That's just plain wrong

**FJRider** · 18th September 2020, 20:23

Originally Posted by Bonez

How often does that happen? Trucks have gotten longer with a larger carrying capacity. Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.

When people ignore the indicators signaling a turn on a truck in front of them. Then putting themselves in a drivers blind spot.

People now have the opportunity to be run over by 50 tonne rigs ... up from the old 44 tonne limit. It's funny to watch ...

**R650R** · 19th September 2020, 15:55

Originally Posted by Bonez

Our roads were never DESIGNED for the amount of truck traffic that is on them now.

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Roads were never designed for anything other than to move the Kings armies and for his henchmen to collect taxes from peasants.
Commerce and recreational travel are mere ancillary functions. Even today just look at the road and rail infrastructure quality anywhere near a decent military base.

**Bonez** · 19th September 2020, 17:28

Originally Posted by R650R

Roads were never designed for anything other than to move the Kings armies and for his henchmen to collect taxes from peasants.
Commerce and recreational travel are mere ancillary functions. Even today just look at the road and rail infrastructure quality anywhere near a decent military base.

WE use to get 500lb Mk 82 HE bombs and Mk 83 1000lb HE bombs with accessories (fuses/high drag/low tails etc) via Fielding rail yard for Ohakea no problems at all. 2.75" and 5" ZUNI rockets as well.

Major roads did go from dirt to asphalt I believe...

**FJRider** · 19th September 2020, 17:41

Originally Posted by Bonez

WE use to get 500lb Mk 82 HE bombs and Mk 83 1000lb HE bombs via Fielding rail yard for Ohakea no problems at all. 2.75" and 5" rockets as well.

I'm ex Army transport. We carted bombs for the Air Farce (not a spelling error) on a regular basis. Bombs were safe enough on ANY type of road ... as the fuses were never put in until just prior to mounting on the aircraft. Carrying the fuses was the dangerous bit.

But you knew that ... eh ..

**Bonez** · 19th September 2020, 17:50

Originally Posted by FJRider

I'm ex Army transport. We carted bombs for the Air Farce (not a spelling error) on a regular basis. Bombs were safe enough on ANY type of road ... as the fuses were never put in until just prior to mounting on the aircraft. Carrying the fuses was the dangerous bit.

But you knew that ... eh ..

The fuses would've have been transported on a different unit/truck, container or carriage as per Land Transport Regulations. Both fuses and HE bombs are Explosive Class 1.1. Propellant 1.2, Pyros 1.3 and Small Arms ammo 1.4S There's also the little matter of a booster between the fuse and the HE bomb itself. You see the fuse alone will not set a Mk 80 series bomb off. It needs a booster to do that. Its a safety featcher of Mk 80 series ordnance.

Do you know the compatability and/or separation distance for each class of explosives FJRider? Or know how to calculate it or did your cpl/sgt do all the hard work?

HTH

**eldog** · 19th September 2020, 18:01

Interesting....

Wars still run by current government rules and regs.
Well who knew?

And in 1940, roads were still gravel? Surely not.
Didn't we build autobahns? So we could travel faster?
Been riding around looking for those roads with 110 limit
Even the brand new roads almost none have this limit.

And in Australia? they have put some limits up.

**FJRider** · 19th September 2020, 18:15

Originally Posted by Bonez

The fuses would've have been transported on a different unit/truck or carriage as per Land Transport Legislation. Both fuses and HE bombs are Explosive Class 1.1.

Yep ... One load of fuses I carried weighed fifteen tons ... but that included the wooden crates they were transported in. But enough for a sizeable bang.

As I recall ... 28 pounds of pressure would/could set them off.

We drove carefully ... and with all the signs and red flags ... as required in the regulations.

**FJRider** · 19th September 2020, 18:21

Originally Posted by eldog

Interesting....

Wars still run by current government rules and regs.
Well who knew?

And in 1940, roads were still gravel? Surely not.
Didn't we build autobahns? So we could travel faster?
Been riding around looking for those roads with 110 limit
Even the brand new roads almost none have this limit.

And in Australia? they have put some limits up.

But ... it's the speed that kills you.

Not the (poor) quality of the roads.

Apparently ...

**FJRider** · 19th September 2020, 18:28

Originally Posted by Bonez

...Do you know the compatability and/or separation distance for each class of explosives FJRider? Or know how to calculate it or did your cpl/sgt do all the hard work?

Fuses were NOT allowed to be carried with the same shipment as bombs or artillery shells they fitted.

But you knew that ... maybe ...

**Bonez** · 19th September 2020, 18:34

Originally Posted by FJRider

Yep ... One load of fuses I carried weighed fifteen tons ... but that included the wooden crates they were transported in. But enough for a sizeable bang.

As I recall ... 28 pounds of pressure would/could set them off.

We drove carefully ... and with all the signs and red flags ... as required in the regulations.

Cool. I was transporting some 1000lbders over to the Army Raumai explosive storage facility in our old Hiab crane truck. On of the way going over the bridge Woodville side of the Manawatu Gorge the wheel nuts accidentally clipped, it was tight, a workers frame hanging over the side with guys doing maintenance under the bridge. This chap came up very quickly when the frame rattled. We stopped and I don't know what he said but he wasn't happy. Once he settled down we inspected the frame and truck. No damage done to either just some paint removed, we shook hands and off on our merry way.

I'll never forget that moment.