Jacinda

[TheDemonLord]

Communism enables easier access to be a dictator, it's still the people that make it that way, not the political system! With better checks and balances it could be made harder to dictate like the others

So, all Communists are evil wannabe dictators then - I mean, I'm happy to agree on that point, even if I disagree that the System that produces 100% dictatorships hasn't got a hand in it.

The problem is that the fiat of force to enact a communist system necessitates a totalitarian approach that always requires a dictator.

FWIW, I have never heard of 'the US' and 'the British parliament' as political systems

Would you prefer I refer to them as a Constitutional Republic or Representative Democracy and Constitutional Monarchy?

And yes a monarch is a dictatorship, wether they exercise their power is irrelevant

An Absolute Monarch, sure.
But we haven't really had one of those since Magna Carta (all the way back in the 1200s)

[Scuba_Steve]

So, all Communists are evil wannabe dictators then - I mean, I'm happy to agree on that point, even if I disagree that the System that produces 100% dictatorships hasn't got a hand in it.

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you said you vote National, those voters come out with shit that retarded. Most people communist or not aren't interested in politics, nor wanting to be dictators, nor are they evil.
People are people, the ones attracted to politics tend to be psychopathic regardless of the system the country runs. Communists aren't dictators, the ones that go for control are, just like in any other political system. The ease of seizing control is what makes current implementations of Communism a dictators playground.

Would you prefer I refer to them as a Constitutional Republic or Representative Democracy and Constitutional Monarchy?

I'm sure most would call them "Democratic" despite that being as accurate as the term 'Communists' for the dictatorships you speak.
But either way America recently had Donald Trump, you may remember him. He dictated quite alot; sure there were some systems in place to restrict the extent of his dictatorship but dictate he did none the less.

[TheDemonLord]

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if you said you vote National

I've gone on record saying that National are a bunch of Spineless weasels.

But let's suppose I did vote National, why would that make me a bad person?

Most people communist or not aren't interested in politics, nor wanting to be dictators, nor are they evil.

If you can read any of the history of the 20th century, including the ~200 million Corpses that Communism produced and STILL support it - what do you call that, if not Evil?

People are people, the ones attracted to politics tend to be psychopathic regardless of the system the country runs. Communists aren't dictators, the ones that go for control are, just like in any other political system. The ease of seizing control is what makes current implementations of Communism a dictators playground.

And why is it so easy, as you say, for a Communist system to usher in a dictator?

There's a link, right there - as per your own words that shows it is a fundamental problem with the system.

I'm sure most would call them "Democratic" despite that being as accurate as the term 'Communists' for the dictatorships you speak.

Most might, but there's still the problem of a 100% success rate for Communist dictators.

versus 400 years of No Dictators.

But either way America recently had Donald Trump, you may remember him. He dictated quite alot; sure there were some systems in place to restrict the extent of his dictatorship but dictate he did none the less.

No more than other Presidents. And considering what the rest of the world did (Enforced lockdowns, stripping of rights, having the government taken to court for enforcing rules they had no authority to do) - He acted in a polar opposite manner to a Dictator, at every possible junction (Declining drone strikes in Syria/Iran, not sending in the National Guard to stop Rioting, Deferring to the States authority on the matter of Covid response)

[pritch]

No more than other Presidents. And considering what the rest of the world did (Enforced lockdowns, stripping of rights, having the government taken to court for enforcing rules they had no authority to do) - He acted in a polar opposite manner to a Dictator, at every possible junction (Declining drone strikes in Syria/Iran, not sending in the National Guard to stop Rioting, Deferring to the States authority on the matter of Covid response)

The delusion is strong in this one.

Re COVID, Trump declared himself a "war time president" then promptly surrendered. He let the pandemic run free and actually opposed common sense precautions.

He had unidentified persons in unmarked vehicles snatching people off the streets.

He had peaceful protestors and international journalists gassed and beaten so he could stage a photo op.

He attempted to overthrow the legally elected government of the country. He is currently encouraging other efforts to the same end.

The US had a narrow escape.

[nerrrd]

Given how restricted the franchises were in the US and UK until a bit more recently than 400 years ago, I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses. But the fact that both systems have allowed a steady expansion of voting and other rights is definitely a big plus, but it wasn't a walk in the park, a lot of battles were fought along the way to achieve that progress.

[TheDemonLord]

The delusion is strong in this one.

Re COVID, Trump declared himself a "war time president" then promptly surrendered. He let the pandemic run free and actually opposed common sense precautions.

So he chose to allow people free will, as opposed to Dictating what they should.

He had unidentified persons in unmarked vehicles snatching people off the streets.

No better or worse than every president before him. And let's stop trying to compare whatever it is that you are alluding to with what an Actual dictator does.

He had peaceful protestors and international journalists gassed and beaten so he could stage a photo op.

I'm sure they were the most peaceful of protestors - do I need to post the CNN clip of 'Mostly Peaceful' again?

He attempted to overthrow the legally elected government of the country. He is currently encouraging other efforts to the same end.

Just like the Democrats did in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.

The US had a narrow escape.

That's one way of looking it... Suffice to say, not a view I share.

[TheDemonLord]

Given how restricted the franchises were in the US and UK until a bit more recently than 400 years ago, I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses. But the fact that both systems have allowed a steady expansion of voting and other rights is definitely a big plus, but it wasn't a walk in the park, a lot of battles were fought along the way to achieve that progress.

It is a valid point to be sure, To me however this only serves to reinforce the robustness of the System - the presence of conflicts and the means by which to 'fight' the battles without significant blood loss, instead using fiery speeches and turns of phrase is key.

Even with the restricted voting rights, the absence of Dictators in that period is still something to be proud of.

[pritch]

So he chose to allow people free will, as opposed to Dictating what they should.



No better or worse than every president before him. And let's stop trying to compare whatever it is that you are alluding to with what an Actual dictator does.



I'm sure they were the most peaceful of protestors - do I need to post the CNN clip of 'Mostly Peaceful' again?



Just like the Democrats did in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020.



That's one way of looking it... Suffice to say, not a view I share.

Sorry, but your views are just not of this planet.

The Australian ABC team looked peaceful enough as did the protestors around them.

To my knowledge the Democrats never attempted the violent overthrow of the lawfully elected government. Trump did.

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry, but your views are just not of this planet.

Ah yes, pointing out upholding libertarian actions as proof against the accusation of Tyrannical government.

Especially when counter-pointing them against various illiberal policies taken by other governments which are held up as Gold Standards of Virtue.

It's almost like one side is pathologically lying about reality.

The Australian ABC team looked peaceful enough as did the protestors around them.

And what about the burnt out church? Did that look peaceful? More to the point - The protestors were asked to disperse, they didn't.

To my knowledge the Democrats never attempted the violent overthrow of the lawfully elected government. Trump did.

Well, as per the Trial, Trump didn't either.

But I can point you to the exact same Rhetoric from the Democrats that is equally, if not more inflammatory than anything Trump said if you'd like.

[pritch]

Well, as per the Trial, Trump didn't either.

What trial? That's yet to come. As much as I'd like to see Trump face justice, I'm not holding my breath. Let's be charitable and assume by "trial" you mean the impeachment. Impeachment is a political exercise that has generally has nothing much to do with justice.

[TheDemonLord]

What trial? That's yet to come. As much as I'd like to see Trump face justice, I'm not holding my breath. Let's be charitable and assume by "trial" you mean the impeachment. Impeachment is a political exercise that has generally has nothing much to do with justice.

Especially when done by the Democrats.

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[mashman]

Given how restricted the franchises were in the US and UK until a bit more recently than 400 years ago, I think you're looking back with rose-tinted glasses. But the fact that both systems have allowed a steady expansion of voting and other rights is definitely a big plus, but it wasn't a walk in the park, a lot of battles were fought along the way to achieve that progress.

Aye, the UK, and many other European nations for that matter, raped and pillaged the more welcoming nations to the point were many (India and Africa spring to mind) have only relatively recently got their sovereignty back. It seems that the capitalist way was to use extreme violence to conquer entire continents before installing fascist dictators to keep the population in line by creating laws to limit freedoms. Things haven't changed really other than there's less to conquer so easily so as to profit as greatly as those advanced nations did at the cost of hundreds of millions of lives... abeit it savage lives innit

[scumdog]

Why because it would be rather hypocritical to say they are cosy with the Chinese without actually adding some facts to the situation.
The real question is why you don't appreciate national being compared, Why doth this so concerneth yourself so muchith

Stick with the present - you're like a certain sector of NZ that's always looking over their shoulder.

What happens NOW s what counts.

[husaberg]

Stick with the present - you're like a certain sector of NZ that's always looking over their shoulder.

What happens NOW s what counts.

Interesting as you are only interested in what constitutes a cosy relationship with China NOW Labour is in power
Is that because National are barely above the margin of error and that Judith colins Nationals 4 leader in about 9 months barely gets a percentage as Prefered PM?

when you can come back with why Nationals much cosier relationship wasn't an issue to you but why all of a sudden Labours less cosy one somehow nowe is, then we can talk.....

[pritch]

Especially when done by the Democrats.

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Trump will forever be the first president impeached twice. There may be another one day in the future, hopefully not too soon, it took a couple of hundred years to sink to this level.