Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[TheDemonLord]

Oh, had the statute of limitations on being a decent human expired had it?

Not even close to a rebuttal there sport.

Have you apologized for everything you did over 30 years ago? Has anyone?

I mean, it's not even when he was on his path to campaigning for a nomination bid.

The worst you could say is to point at his 1988 Oprah interview.... but again - over 30 years ago.

[sugilite:Me]

Have you apologized for everything you did over 30 years ago? Has anyone?

I mean, it's not even when he was on his path to campaigning for a nomination bid.

The worst you could say is to point at his 1988 Oprah interview.... but again - over 30 years ago.

No, I tend to get apologies out the way immediately it becomes apparent they need to be made - like the infamous swallow a dead rat apology I made to the now rightly banned bonez.
Trump should have apologized in 2002 when the 5 were exonerated. He has been given other opportunities as recently as this year to apologize but has declined to take them. He is incapable of admitting he is wrong due to his weak cowardly nature.

So lets go to something a little more recent then, since you clearly give mulligans for anything remotely dated.
On Feb the 6th Trump told his adoring supporters to march on the congress buildings and he would be right there beside them. But he wasn't was he? In fact he chose to instead go and watch the carnage on the telly with family and friends.
Blatantly lying to constituents, cowardice of not following through on ones words - Good leadership qualities in your opinion?

I'm just going to add in a few classic DL snippets from your prior replies to others....

Sure - but here's the thing - literally every Political analyst on both sides of the Aisle regularly said that Trump should Tweet less. His Supporters on the other hand, love that he had a direct line of communication with them.

I'm certain he has Advisors on all sorts - but if you look at some of the positions he's taken, where 'conventional' wisdom would dictate otherwise, he's done allright.

Except his blog has bombed. He promised a best-est social media platform ever, and in usual Trump fashion produced a small wet fart. He has gone from having a mega maga bullhorn to a trumpet mute stuffed in his gob - loving Trumps new "social media" fail bigly here

Not really. My reasons for liking Trump have nothing to do with Charity or Philanthropy. Putting aside my general distrust of people splashing around cash in an effort to convince me of how good and noble they are, It's in my best interest to articular my position honestly.

As you have mentioned before, you like him for triggering the evil libs. Apparently for you it "Trumps" all common decency, honesty and being a good and worthy leader. Trigger the libs, and Demonlord got your back! It is amusing watching you twist honest logic to fit one of the most dishonest men alive today. I know you sincerely think your logic works in your mind - meanwhile in reality the "creative" spin you put on all things Trump is both comedic and just a little sad at the same time.

[FJRider]

It was never my point in the first place, it was Pritch's.

It seemed to me ... you were measuring his success by the fact he was a billionaire. Hence my comment.

Sure - but here's the thing - literally every Political analyst on both sides of the Aisle regularly said that Trump should Tweet less. His Supporters on the other hand, love that he had a direct line of communication with them.

I'm certain he has Advisors on all sorts - but if you look at some of the positions he's taken, where 'conventional' wisdom would dis decisions were not entirely ictate otherwise, he's done allright.

"Tweets" seem to be a spur of the moment thing. Just another "thing" like most facebook posts. Some of which may not be appropriate or correct. Just an opinion at the time ... which might change if it's later seen as/felt as ... the wrong thing to "say" ...

I did say that some of his decisions were not entirely based on his opinion. And I doubt all his decisions were successful.

If you offered the majority of people the chance to be the President, without going through all the ancillary stuff - basically, you get to be the boss - I think most would take the offer.

The "Ancillary stuff" catches most of the triers. Not really a bad thing ... eh .. !!!

I agree that a large proportion would probably shortly relinquish the role once they found out how demanding it is - but that's not what we are talking about here.

For a chance to play with the "Football" ... many still try.

The point was that in the rare company of Presidents and Ex-Presidents, Trump is even rarer still.

Different anyway. Different than the others doesn't make him rare.

Oh definitely he's had some bad calls - that's life, but to pin all of his success on the an implied legion of assistants raises 2 questions:

1: If the Advisors he has are so good, why aren't they just doing it themselves and
2: Even with the best advice, sometimes a good leader has to make the tough calls.

1. They get paid well to spend other peoples money. But could never have the Billions of their own money to offset the risks.

2. True. what was the question in (2.) ?? (You did say ... Two questions ??)

Au Contraire, you've said you've been deployed overseas, I'm willing to bet you have the greater experience.

Limited experience. We weren't paid that well. Getting involved with any woman costs. Basically ... you pay to get the same thing. Usually less with a part-timer ...

Not really. My reasons for liking Trump have nothing to do with Charity or Philanthropy. Putting aside my general distrust of people splashing around cash in an effort to convince me of how good and noble they are, It's in my best interest to articular my position honestly.

I've lost you ... Articular is relating to a joint or the joints. Do you mean articulate .. ?? If you did ... obvious fail.

That depends, I can think of many institutions that are nibbling on the hand that feeds - and almost all of them do so because of a Political agenda.

If you can get away with it ... all good. Not all such actions can carry on forever. Or even for long. Bugger eh ...

There have been many war-time leaders who have a very strong personal faith. There have also been people who derive from the Bible a strict sense of Pacifism - I'm reminded of the US Medic who got a MoH for such actions and never once picked up a Weapon.

Personal ethic's vary ... with each and every individual. Depending on results needed or wanted. And somebody else doing the dirty bits.

If you boil it down to the interpersonal level - If one was a christian and came across Someone sexually assaulting another - is it right to raise your fists? You can look to the story of Jesus and the Money Lenders to see that there is a precedent in the Bible for Righteous anger and violence - done on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves.

As above.

I can answer that in two ways - the first is the cop-out of saying 'just ask for forgiveness'

The second is to reference the above - If the action is being taken on behalf of someone else, then yes, they could - so long as there were no Ulterior motives (War for Oil springs to mind)

As above.

In a legal sense - unless we've been convicted - absolutely.
In a philosophical sense - Sure, I've done things in my past that I regret and from them I've learned lessons.

That's all one can hope for really.

I never meant a legal sense. The old ... "I never thought that would happen" type retort by the leader.

Like ... not realizing the effects of bringing a few hundred thousand of your countrymen home from a war in body-bags .... Or reducing a normal Benefit payment by $20. Will the public reaction to Government be the same in both cases ... ?? Which would the general population hate more .. ??

[husaberg]

[TheDemonLord]

No, I tend to get apologies out the way immediately it becomes apparent they need to be made - like the infamous swallow a dead rat apology I made to the now rightly banned bonez.
Trump should have apologized in 2002 when the 5 were exonerated. He has been given other opportunities as recently as this year to apologize but has declined to take them. He is incapable of admitting he is wrong due to his weak cowardly nature.

Perhaps if the people demanding the apology would accept it, then maybe things might be different.

At this point, with certain groups, even if there are errors on your part, I'd also take the position of refuse to Apologise to a group that grants no forgiveness.

So lets go to something a little more recent then, since you clearly give mulligans for anything remotely dated.
On Feb the 6th Trump told his adoring supporters to march on the congress buildings and he would be right there beside them. But he wasn't was he? In fact he chose to instead go and watch the carnage on the telly with family and friends.
Blatantly lying to constituents, cowardice of not following through on ones words - Good leadership qualities in your opinion?

I'm fairly certain you've raised this one previously, my answer is much the same.

Except his blog has bombed. He promised a best-est social media platform ever, and in usual Trump fashion produced a small wet fart. He has gone from having a mega maga bullhorn to a trumpet mute stuffed in his gob - loving Trumps new "social media" fail bigly here

I'm giving this one time - I've certainly seen people making references to things that he's posted on his Desk.

As you have mentioned before, you like him for triggering the evil libs. Apparently for you it "Trumps" all common decency, honesty and being a good and worthy leader. Trigger the libs, and Demonlord got your back! It is amusing watching you twist honest logic to fit one of the most dishonest men alive today. I know you sincerely think your logic works in your mind - meanwhile in reality the "creative" spin you put on all things Trump is both comedic and just a little sad at the same time.

Triggering the evil Libs is more like an added bonus.

The things I really like about him is his refusal to countenance anything that has it's origins in Marxist ideology (Critical Race Theory, Antifa, BLM etc.) and unlike other Western politicians was exceptionally forthright in his refusal.

Then you've got his Economic policy (best economy since the post-war boom)
His Migration Policy (Even if you don't agree with the rhetorhic - seeing what has happened with Biden shows that Trump was right)
His embodiment of American Principles - such as State's rights when it comes to the Federal Government, Upholding the individual's right to choose for themselves.
His Foreign Policy (which although even I would describe as 'brinkmanship' - such as the North Korea tweets about the size of his Red Button - it was far more effective and a lot less bloody than every other US President in my lifetime)

And yeah, I like that he's not a Politician. I think I've raised it previously but the description of 'Trumps bombastic Lies were more honest that Hillary's calculated Lies' really does ring true.

[husaberg]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...dency-n1252580

[pritch]

Apparently the prosecutors are pressuring Weisselberg, Trump's CFO, to give evidence against Trump. Cohen thinks Trump will flip on Weisselberg. He thinks Trump will flip on everybody including his kids.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8vpR0tnqho

[husaberg]

[sugilite:Me]

Perhaps if the people demanding the apology would accept it, then maybe things might be different.

At this point, with certain groups, even if there are errors on your part, I'd also take the position of refuse to Apologise to a group that grants no forgiveness.

Ohh, so you think because Trump did not think his apology would be well received he did not bother? What a cop out. The point of an apology is because you fucked up and should be made based on your actions, not how one thinks it will be received.

I'm fairly certain you've raised this one previously, my answer is much the same.

Why yes I have asked several times for your take on Trump telling his supporters he would be marching right there along side them, and each time you have not given any sort of reply. That is why I enjoy asking it. You know as a leader, what he said and did not follow through on is indefensible. I think this question is your Trump kryptonite

I'm giving this one time - I've certainly seen people making references to things that he's posted on his Desk.

Yes, compared to his twitter exposure, from behind trumps little desk is an abject failure in comparison.

Triggering the evil Libs is more like an added bonus.

Hardly, it is your main event!

The things I really like about him is his refusal to countenance anything that has it's origins in Marxist ideology (Critical Race Theory, Antifa, BLM etc.) and unlike other Western politicians was exceptionally forthright in his refusal.

What about the reds under your bed?

Then you've got his Economic policy (best economy since the post-war boom)

A continuation of the Obama days actually - until he tried to downplay the virus.

His Migration Policy (Even if you don't agree with the rhetorhic - seeing what has happened with Biden shows that Trump was right)

Yes, you are correct, Trumps immigration policies did work better at the border than Bidens mess. Wow, look my keyboard has not exploded admitting Trump got something right!

His embodiment of American Principles - such as State's rights when it comes to the Federal Government, Upholding the individual's right to choose for themselves.

Only when it suited him, otherwise he was keen on states doing exactly as he told them, remember his sanctuary state threats? He did not seem so keen on those states following their own path then eh?

His Foreign Policy (which although even I would describe as 'brinkmanship' - such as the North Korea tweets about the size of his Red Button - it was far more effective and a lot less bloody than every other US President in my lifetime)

Except he gave North Korea legitimacy while gaining nothing in return. What a win - for Kim!
And his larger red button tweet was trumped in the extreme by kims huge envelope gag highlighting Trumps small hands - which Trump and his team totally fell for.

And yeah, I like that he's not a Politician.

He lies through his teeth and gets away (for now) with corruption in the extreme. He was always a politician in waiting.

I think I've raised it previously but the description of 'Trumps bombastic Lies were more honest that Hillary's calculated Lies' really does ring true.

Lies that are honest, you really are Trumps man

[TheDemonLord]

Ohh, so you think because Trump did not think his apology would be well received he did not bother? What a cop out. The point of an apology is because you fucked up and should be made based on your actions, not how one thinks it will be received.

For the relevant crowd an apology is an admission of Guilt that by implication gives them Power over you.

As such, when it comes to dealing with the types of interest groups we are talking about: Never Apologize.

Why yes I have asked several times for your take on Trump telling his supporters he would be marching right there along side them, and each time you have not given any sort of reply. That is why I enjoy asking it. You know as a leader, what he said and did not follow through on is indefensible. I think this question is your Trump kryptonite

And the last time you asked, you got a full answer.

Yes, compared to his twitter exposure, from behind trumps little desk is an abject failure in comparison.

That's an apples and oranges comparison however we don't have hard data - I see the Washington post are saying that they estimate it's getting fewer visitors than various sites - but the key word there is Estimate.

And when you look at how they are estimating it, it's based on Social Media shares - which raises another question - the censorship of Trump and all things Trumpian on the big Social Media platforms may be tainting the results.

However the key part at the moment is that we don't know the direction they are going to be heading, because ultimately - without user generated content, it's not going to be seeing much growth.

Hardly, it is your main event!

As I said, it's an added Bonus. I'll grant you (if I'm being charitable) that there's a correlation between the Policies that I approve of, and the triggering of the Communists - but the key part is the policy.

The Triggering is a bonus.

What about the reds under your bed?

Let's play

Spot the

Socialist Fist

I mean - I could actually go to the Academic sources of Critical Race Theory, Intersectional theory etc. - but I'll spare you... I will however link to Britannica (A reasonably unbiased source):
https://www.britannica.com/topic/critical-race-theory

Its immediate precursor was the critical legal studies (CLS) movement, which dedicated itself to examining how the law and legal institutions serve the interests of the wealthy and powerful at the expense of the poor and marginalized. (CLS, an offshoot of Marxist-oriented critical theory

And of course, a regular reminder of the people saying things like:

"I'm a Literal Communist"
"We are trained Marxists"
"We want to tear down the Western Capitalist imperialist Patriarchal structures and the Nuclear Family"

Or any N number of Marxist utterings (like demands for Expropriation)

Bonus fun fact - one of the UK BLM Activist Leaders (who has said things that even I won't repeat - beginning with N and beginning with C and being extremely racist) recently was Shot in the head (although at time of writing, she's in critical condition)...

By an inner-city Black Gang.

This is the same person who called for people she didn't like to be Hanged, fully supported defunding the police etc. All I can say is - Karma is being very efficient

A continuation of the Obama days actually - until he tried to downplay the virus.

Except the rate of improvement doubled under Trump, And Obama started from a recession - so factually not correct.

Yes, you are correct, Trumps immigration policies did work better at the border than Bidens mess. Wow, look my keyboard has not exploded admitting Trump got something right!

That's the first step on a long road, maybe one day I'll get you to near the end of it

Only when it suited him, otherwise he was keen on states doing exactly as he told them, remember his sanctuary state threats? He did not seem so keen on those states following their own path then eh?

That's because those sanctuary laws (if we are talking about illegal Immigation and not 2A sanctuary laws) would be inviolation of the Spirit of the constitution.

(Article 4 I believe, the bit about State Borders)

Except he gave North Korea legitimacy while gaining nothing in return. What a win - for Kim!
And his larger red button tweet was trumped in the extreme by kims huge envelope gag highlighting Trumps small hands - which Trump and his team totally fell for.

I know your position that this legitimized North Korea and I think I've agreed there is merit in your critique - however we haven't seen NK rattle the sabre for a while. It will be interesting what they do under Biden.

He lies through his teeth and gets away (for now) with corruption in the extreme. He was always a politician in waiting.

Lies that are honest, you really are Trumps man

Trump telling me that his next venture is going to be the biggest, bestest, greatest thing in the history of the entire world is far more honest than 90% of what other Politicians say.

Compared that to whatever Hillary, Biden, Ardern and alike are peddling at any one time - I'd take the worst of Trump's lies (by your definition of Lying) over anything that they have to say any day of the week.

I'll leave you free to interpret that however you wish.

[sugilite:Me]

Ok, im on my phone in a bumpy truck, there will be errors!

For the relevant crowd an apology is an admission of Guilt that by implication gives them Power over you.

As such, when it comes to dealing with the types of interest groups we are talking about: Never Apologize..

Twaddle, he needed to apologise to the 5 and their families, not blm or antifa! Poor form there old chap.

And the last time you asked, you got a full answer..

NO. You have never once given me even half an answer yet alone a full one in regards to Trump telling his followers to march on Congress and he would be right there along side them. So go on give it a go.

That's an apples and oranges comparison however we don't have hard data - I see the Washington post are saying that they estimate it's getting fewer visitors than various sites - but the key word there is Estimate.

And when you look at how they are estimating it, it's based on Social Media shares - which raises another question - the censorship of Trump and all things Trumpian on the big Social Media platforms may be tainting the results.

However the key part at the moment is that we don't know the direction they are going to be heading, because ultimately - without user generated content, it's not going to be seeing much growth..

Mate, not even fox report on most of his posts, ive been checking. It is a very poorly received vehicle for his messaging.

Except the rate of improvement doubled under Trump, And Obama started from a recession - so factually not correct..

It did not double, and despite Obama giving the bankers free money, the dick head still managed a recovery to pass on to trump. Trump fucked it in the end.

That's because those sanctuary laws (if we are talking about illegal Immigation and not 2A sanctuary laws) would be inviolation of the Spirit of the constitution..

Spirit of the constitution? Lol, like trump ever did that! You seemed quite proud of Trump when he side stepped it on multiple occasions. So, its only ok when Trump does it? Par of the course for a serial free pass for Trump issuer.

I know your position that this legitimized North Korea and I think I've agreed there is merit in your critique - however we haven't seen NK rattle the sabre for a while. It will be interesting what they do under Biden.

Yes, Trump totally fucked up the NK thing. Lets see if Biden does the same.

Trump telling me that his next venture is going to be the biggest, bestest, greatest thing in the history of the entire world is far more honest than 90% of what other Politicians say.

Compared that to whatever Hillary, Biden, Ardern and alike are peddling at any one time - I'd take the worst of Trump's lies (by your definition of Lying) over anything that they have to say any day of the week.

Lies are Lies, Trumps are as bad as any and a lot more frequent to boot. Good grief man

[TheDemonLord]

Ok, im on my phone in a bumpy truck, there will be errors!

At least one of us is having fun

Twaddle, he needed to apologise to the 5 and their families, not blm or antifa! Poor form there old chap.

The problem is that those groups will exist. Given the current political climate, the correct response is to NEVER apologise.

You could also make the case that if someone (or a group) are found guilty of a crime, and the crime is of a heinous nature - it is right and proper to call for the Death Penalty (if that's what you believe in), if they are subsequently exonerated (with the implication that the appropriate checks, balances and processes in the imperfect legal system have finally turned) then there's you didn't do anything wrong. The system eventually worked.

NO. You have never once given me even half an answer yet alone a full one in regards to Trump telling his followers to march on Congress and he would be right there along side them. So go on give it a go.

I'll find the post later.

Mate, not even fox report on most of his posts, ive been checking. It is a very poorly received vehicle for his messaging.

But I don't watch or follow Fox - In the wider, more 'grassroots' (I hate that term) commentary, that is closer to Trump's supporter base, There's references and discussion happening - but again I come back to my over-arching point:

Without User generated content and interaction, it's not going to be as popular.

It did not double, and despite Obama giving the bankers free money, the dick head still managed a recovery to pass on to trump. Trump fucked it in the end.

The rate of Growth did.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp....jones2-nc.png

From the BBC no less - Trump achieved in 4 years what it took Obama 8 to do (if you average out the peaks/troughs).

Spirit of the constitution? Lol, like trump ever did that! You seemed quite proud of Trump when he side stepped it on multiple occasions. So, its only ok when Trump does it? Par of the course for a serial free pass for Trump issuer.

Numerous times - and that includes times when I think it would have been right to intervene on what the individual states were doing.

As for Side-Stepping it - the question is what and by how much - and given some of Bidens rhetorhic on - let's say the first and second amendments - I'll take any side-steps you raise, in the manner that you raise them.

Yes, Trump totally fucked up the NK thing. Lets see if Biden does the same.

Suffice to say I disagree - I come back to my point - if we aren't going to try and talk, then why should we not just bomb them to oblivion?

I don't like NK in terms of it's governance, it's ideology, censorship, human rights abuses etc. etc. But I still feel that if we can talk with them - it might be better than parking a couple of Aircraft carriers off in international waters and levelling what little infrastructure they still have.

Lies are Lies, Trumps are as bad as any and a lot more frequent to boot. Good grief man

Are all lies of equal value and weighting?

I'll hear the principled argument that any lie, even if done for a noble intention:

"No Hunny, that doesn't make your arse look big"

is bad.

But when it comes to Trump vs Other politicians - When Trump says it's gonna be the biggest/bestest/largest etc. I know he's not trying to deceive me, he knows he's not trying to decieve me and most of his supporters (at least the ones I watch/follow/talk to) also understand that there is no intent at deception behind his speech.

Whereas 5 minutes of (insert preferred politician here) and it's wholly different.

[husaberg]

A continuation of the Obama days actually -.


:

Ah, Did TLDR try The old Trump did great myth for the economy......watch how he will like trump make claims but without any data to back him up.

inflation-adjusted GDP per capita increased 1.9% annually under Trump, which makes this three-year period the 16th highest among the past 30 non-overlapping three-year periods — right about average compared with his predecessors.

In Trump’s three years in office through January 2020, real consumption per person grew by 2% a year. Of the 30 non-overlapping three-year periods since 1929, this ranks Trump 12th from the bottom.

Donald Trump President

“This is the greatest economy that we've had in our history, the best.”
at a rally in Charleston, W.V. – Tuesday, August 21, 2018

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...er-presidents/

[TheDemonLord]

Ah, Did TLDR try The old Trump did great myth for the economy......

It's not a Myth - it was the strongest economy since the post-war boom.
One of the lowest rates of unemployment, especially amongst the 'impoverished' and 'marginalized' demographics.

I mean - feel free to look at the BBC (that well known Right Wing outlet) begrudgingly admitting that the Economy did well under Trump.

[pritch]

Lies are Lies, Trumps are as bad as any and a lot more frequent to boot. Good grief man

All polititians lie on occasion, that's a given. Thirty thousand lies in four years is a whole nutha thing and indicative of a mind detached from reality. Who knew it was contagious?