The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[FJRider]

... I'm happy to take it as an honest mistake.

My wife required my attention at the time ... priorities you understand.

I'll happily retract, if you retract also - namely that I don't go reporting users to the Mods and nor have I rep-bombed 'like you do with me'.

I've posted the ACTUAL posts with YOUR accusations ... Please post SAME with MY actual quotes ... where I stated anything you've suggested I have.

It's that simple.

[TheDemonLord]

My wife required my attention at the time ... priorities you understand.

Can't type at the same time?

I've posted the ACTUAL posts with YOUR accusations ... Please post SAME with MY actual quotes ... where I stated anything you've suggested I have.

It's that simple.

As I have done, multiple times and referenced the quote.

Perhaps you skipped that part of my post due to your attention being elsewhere - but it's poor form to demand that which has already been provided.

But because I'm charitable:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131196568

It's right at the bottom - with your 2 original posts linked and quoted.

So, do I (or have ever):

complain like a spoilt two year old to the site Moderators ... about how offended you are ...

And

Have they received any from you for abuse of a member .. ??
Just like you do with me you mean .. ??

'Just like you do with me you mean'

Have I ever Rep-Bombed you? Since that reply was specifically about when I was rep-bombed?

That last one is the specific accusation, the other is an inference (but clear enough that I feel warrants rebuke).

Both things I have not, nor have ever done.

[mashman]

No you didn't say it was law but you said it usurps National rules and is legally binding criteria, so just what is it you were trying to say again ? because you were wrong on both of those counts the same as every other muppet who mentioned the Nuremburg code in relation to this

And I explained how that usurping works. Not gonna bother again.

[mashman]

They are selling something all right, and a small number of people (you for example) have bought it.
Just like the small number of flat earth people.

I did. I bought their science over the science you chose as your authority, because when I compared the 2 (one has to know both sides in order to have a qualified judgement, or one is simply being a parrot), only 1 sides' science could/can actually back the claims that any side is saying. The vaccine has become a jab despite the testing claiming that it would give 90+% protection for life after 2 doses, nope 3, nope 4, and maybe for 6 months, well, best go every 4 months, nah, make it 3........... When reality doesn't match testing, mistakes have been made, or lies have been sold. The theory behind mRNa technology is actually quite amazing and in theory again, should have worked a charm. It didn't. Why not? And why are we still pushing like little children to force someone to do something that little evidence backs, outwith the evidence from the circus that clearly brought you a shit product, (2 or 3 companies, not entire countries and governments), indemnified by governments, with the field results under lock and key for 55 years (not sure if that decision has been granted yet)? And you go for flat earth. Of course you do, because you have no real evidence, just the evidence of those who got it wrong.

[mashman]

Some exceptional reasoning that still holds 18 months later, coz it certainly hasn't been resolved in that time... well, not in NZ anyway.

The virus don't care about fair.

But, since we are not viruses, let me address your concern about the alleged unfairness of hindsight.

First, and importantly, the pandemic was spreading in January and February. We were generally all in agreement by March to 'flatten the curve'. One would expect good planning and preparation to do that; with solid stocks of PPE, pre-flight checking, after-arrival checking, isolation guidelines for the vulnerable and quarantine locations for the still-allowed-inbound, to be gotten ready and tested.

This didn't happen.

Second and actually more damning: when it became clear that there was no curve to flatten, the curve was not taking off, what did our lords and mistresses decree? No change in the strategy.

But thirdly and this is serious: recall what was bruited and spruiked abroad the land by Ye Media.

Modelling that a professor of physics in New Zealand provided to the Prime Minister was said to convince her that 80,000 people were going to die if she didn't listen to her friends from London and lock New Zealand down now. So, our NZ politicians and technocrats misapplied a completely inaccurate theoretical model developed by a (discredited) professor of mathematical biology in the UK and adapted by a professor of physics in New Zealand, to us humans encountering a variant of a known virus species, using the most scary miscalculated outcome as a stick with which to beat us into our own homes to be imprisoned. At very short notice, and entirely without appropriate planning as outlined above.

Ardern 19th March:

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has dismissed speculation on social media that the Government is poised to announce a nationwide lockdown to combat coronavirus.

"We will share with you the most up-to-date information daily. You can trust us as a source of that information," she told reporters in Rotorua. "Do feel free to visit covid19.govt.nz - otherwise dismiss anything else. We will continue to be your single source of truth."

Bloomfield 19th March:

"A lockdown is not something that I’ve hear discussed by anybody. We've seen other countries do that when they have a very high proportion of cases with committee spread".

Event horizon 24th March 24th:

Level 4 Lockdown.

So, pick your option.

Either they lied about NEVER discussing a lockdown or they changed the ENTIRE response of our country because of a model and a chat with Ardern's 'friends' in Blairland.

When friends overseas painted a bleak picture of the advancing pall of coronavirus, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern listened.

"[They were] saying, 'Go, just shut down, because here I am in lockdown with thousands of people dying. Just shut down'," she tells Stuff's Coronavirus NZ podcast.

It helped make the decision to "go hard and go early", to close New Zealand's borders and enforce a lockdown.

***

Where are we now? Still pursuing the same economy-killing strategy.

And what is the disease like now we know more?

On September 23, the new best estimate infection fatality rate by the CDC in the for the ages 20 to 49 is 0.02%.

That's a 99.98% survival rate.

Estimated survival rates by all ages from the CDC
Ages 0 to 19: 99.997%
20-49: 99.98%
50-69: 99.5%
70+: 94.6%.

This is not the Global Killer we were locked down for.

We should be able to Go About Our Lives with washing, distancing, isolation and quarantine in proportionate measure.

Hmmm. Let me put it another way.

If the pandemic was / is a lethal and as contagious as advertised we would not be debating its severity.

Many people would be sick, a large number would be in hospital and a lot more would be dead or in Intensive Care.

The unpoliced Burn-Loot-Murder protests would have spread contagion throughout the Auckland isthmus, and the Sturgis motorcycle rally would have done the same throughout the states contiguous with and adjacent to South Dakota.

Hospitals would be full and large percentages of health care workers inside and outside the hospitals would be ill, and / or quarantining themselves from their families and others; their occupational mortality rate would be in double figures. (Many senior medical staff are like me - well over 60, overweight, and with co-morbidities).

Supermarket workers would, sadly, have made up a large % of casualties so far as would hotel staff in quarantine hotels.

You and I would know personally people in hospital, in ICU, or in the funeral home as a result of WuFlu.

And if we used the same methodology of assigning deaths to the yearly StandardFlu as we are doing with the ChiWuFlu, the annual flu death rate (i.e. by counting everybody who died with flu-like symptoms, or from other causes but with a positive flu test in the last 30, 60, or 90 days, and so on) then our annual seasonal flu death rate in 2019 would have been at least 2 orders of magnitude greater. i.e. 50,000 not 500.

And of course if Ardern and Bloomfield and PieWatts and Hipkisser & Co really believed their rhetoric of risk, they would distancing themselves from each other, let alone getting selfies up close and personal with the great unwashed.

None of the above is happening.

***

The reason I have kept tabs on both the science and the spruiking from the beginning i.e. January, is because at the outset, I said to myself, "Self, WTF. This must be serious. Because the ChiComs just trashed the economy of their whole province. They've locked down first 5, then 9, then 15 million people in a couple of weeks! What are they so scared of? What do they know that they are not telling?"

Also, I worked in Asia during the first SARS outbreak; and in Africa during the last-but-one Ebola outbreak; and I thought "Oh F, here we go, the Full Captain Trips experience is possible."

Then as I watched and listened and read - lo and behold, it came to pass that...

1. The ChiComs forbade domestic travel from Wuhan while letting all international travel out of Wuhan continue for the CNY global dispora. Q.E.D.
2. The initially frighteningly high CFR (case fatality rate) kept going down as more tests were done.
3. Major political, financial and PR incentives were globally put in place to assign deaths to ChiVirus whenever possible.
4. The old people were disproportionately hit (Italy, New York, Belgium etc). But the annualized death rate for the over-70s remained relatively flat.
5. Politicians loved them their new controls over normies - but did not try anything with BLM, iwi, gangs etc.
...there's more of course.


You don't, you know, need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.

[Autech]

Just went and got my 3rd dose. Hoping Jacinda will now let us go about our business as its pointless being immunised against something I'm never going to come into contact with (that said I've got work in an MIQ coming up) but the comment stands for the rest of NZ.

Keep mandates and restrictions for the anti vax mob and let the rest of us get on with life.

Got the Stuff stream of the protest up on my 2nd screen hoping to see someone get a baton to the face, hasn't happened yet sadly but the day is young

[FJRider]

Can't type at the same time?

My hands were busy ...

As I have done, multiple times and referenced the quote.


Perhaps you skipped that part of my post due to your attention being elsewhere - but it's poor form to demand that which has already been provided.

But because I'm charitable:

I assume this is your "Proof of Abuse accusation" ...

What's baaeing offended .. ???
Have they received any from you for abuse of a member .. ??
Just like you do with me you mean .. ??

The last line is in reference to the claims of abuse you make of me. I provide (Quoted) and clear proof.

Your lack of understanding that CLEAR Indisputable proof of wrongdoing is required for a complaint to be made.

Your interpretation of the above quote is a little off that.

HOWEVER ... feel free to make a formal complaint to the Moderation team in this regard. They probably need a laugh ... :kiollingme



Until then ... any proof regarding those TWO posts I quoted you ... and your accusations in them ... ??

[TheDemonLord]

Just went and got my 3rd dose. Hoping Jacinda will now let us go about our business as its pointless being immunised against something I'm never going to come into contact with (that said I've got work in an MIQ coming up) but the comment stands for the rest of NZ.

Keep mandates and restrictions for the anti vax mob and let the rest of us get on with life.

Got the Stuff stream of the protest up on my 2nd screen hoping to see someone get a baton to the face, hasn't happened yet sadly but the day is young

Don't worry after you get your 364th Booster - then we will give you your freedoms back...

[FJRider]

Just went and got my 3rd dose. Hoping Jacinda will now let us go about our business as its pointless being immunised against something I'm never going to come into contact with (that said I've got work in an MIQ coming up) but the comment stands for the rest of NZ.

If you ask any of those that got a positive test result ... of having any of covid variants ... if they ever thought they'd ever get it themselves ... I think you will get the resounding reply of NO from ALL of them.

Go figure ...

[FJRider]

Don't worry after you get your 364th Booster - then we will give you your freedoms back...

After the 500th ... most will stop caring.



Something to look forward too ...

[TheDemonLord]

I assume this is your "Proof of Abuse accusation" ...

The last line is in reference to the claims of abuse you make of me. I provide (Quoted) and clear proof.

Your lack of understanding that CLEAR Indisputable proof of wrongdoing is required for a complaint to be made.

Your interpretation of the above quote is a little off that.

HOWEVER ... feel free to make a formal complaint to the Moderation team in this regard. They probably need a laugh ... :kiollingme

Until then ... any proof regarding those TWO posts I quoted you ... and your accusations in them ... ??

I feel a picture is best used here:



'Have they received any from you for abuse of a member'

That's pretty damn accusatory - given the context and the use of Bold. And the answer is an unequivocal 'No.'

And the second part where I said I've only ever reported one Member (Katman), not for abuse, but for Rep Bombing. And as per that Quoted, you immediately said:

"Just like you do with me you mean".

Seeing as the quote was specifically about reporting members for Rep-Bombing and your reply - that seems a pretty clear accusation that I either rep-bomb you or that I've reported you for such an offense.

Neither of which is true.

I'm gonna be charitable and say based on the subsequent things you've said, it seems to me that you either didn't mean that or (Husbandly duties or otherwise) that you put the wrong comment on the wrong quote. An mistake.

I'm happy to accept that and if you confirm that to be the case, all the subsequent accusations I've made - I'll more than happily retract.

Unless, of course, you do believe that I report people to the mods for abusing me and you think I've rep-bombed you or reported you to the mods for doing it, in which case - feel free to post your evidence (but as I've said, you cannot because it's not something I do)

Fair?

[Autech]

If you ask any of those that got a positive test result ... of having any of covid variants ... if they ever thought they'd ever get it themselves ... I think you will get the resounding reply of NO from ALL of them.

Go figure ...

Oh I'm fully expecting to get it, if we can actually let it do its normal virusy things and go about it business. Stalling it endlessly is not doing us any favours it seems, meanwhile we're in the red setting for no apparent reason crushing businesses ability to make money.

[TheDemonLord]

Stalling it endlessly is not doing us any favours it seems, meanwhile we're in the red setting for no apparent reason crushing businesses ability to make money.

Preach!
Testify!

[FJRider]

Oh I'm fully expecting to get it, if we can actually let it do its normal virusy things and go about it business. Stalling it endlessly is not doing us any favours it seems, meanwhile we're in the red setting for no apparent reason crushing businesses ability to make money.

Aside from the actual fact that some viruses affect different people differently. Even with apparently healthy people ... with flaws in their immune system THEY aren't even aware of prior. If you caught the virus ... Everybody that has had AND (even fleeting contact) would need to be tested. AND quarantined.

They'll thank you later ... maybe.

Good luck.

[Autech]

Aside from the actual fact that some viruses affect different people differently. Even with apparently healthy people ... with flaws in their immune system THEY aren't even aware of prior. If you caught the virus ... Everybody that has had AND (even fleeting contact) would need to be tested. AND quarantined.

They'll thank you later ... maybe.

Good luck.

Yeah I'm well aware of this, especially as I do work in MIQ facilities and have to balance the risk of infection vs getting my job done. As for the flaws, this is what the vaccination is there for, to give everyone the best defence against serious illness.
With some decent RAT availability we should be able to cut down on isolation time like they're doing overseas. If we use the technologies available to us that is...


Stuff stream is heating up a bit finally. Good viewing