Jacinda

[husaberg]

Seen that job title bandied around quite a bit over the last few days. I guess they must get paid more than a photographer does?

I suggest it refers to not being predominately in print media now.
I think it also means they do words and pics and possibly video and when needed front live feeds.

[roogazza]

Can I take $5 and a bag of chips on "shit that didn't happen"

lol probably more Net fake news, we'll see?

Its up there with Gaylord shagging the Nanny and her being shipped off home to Germany.

Grain of salt bud. lol.

[R650R]

See what Husa posted - Trademe jobs 42K-85K.

If the Average is 48K and the minimum is 41.5K, that means that there is a heavy skew towards the lower end.

Or to put it another way - a few really good journalists make big bucks, Most are on Minimum Wage - which is what R650 said.

Now, sure there are other positions in the field that can command a higher salary, but that isn't what we are talking about.

Or if you'd prefer a different source:

https://www.payscale.com/research/NZ...rnalist/Salary

10th percentile is $40K, 50th percentile is 50K, 90th percentile is 70K.

If anyone really wants to dispute it they can always try have some of their own gospel published and paid... certain niche markets around advertirorial and trade publications can pay nicely but if you factor in the true time involved in collecting material and marketing/finding work the $ per hr quickly diluted.....
If it paid well Fluff news would be making enough money to not be begging for handouts while taking govt corporate car welfare to keep story of tooth fairy going....

[R650R]

Just to correct some False information posted on previous page that obviously wasn’t “fact checked”....,.

A truck driver on $24hr is $87.3k per year....... most drivers work 70 hrs a a week
A decent operator won’t get out of bed for less than $30 these days....
Plus there’s all the stat day money and fuel card perks etc....

The salaried journalist on 60 whatever per year is prob working close to truck driver hours with all the required reading and monitoring of news in spare time.... your not going to get any scoops waiting til you get tin office at 9am..., bringing that hourly wage close to min

[sugilite:Me]

So David, why pipe up about the protesters now?
"Well that is a good question, As you may of noticed, my party is down in the polls now, and dancing with the stars is not going to let me re-enter, so this is the only hoebag way I can get my mug on national TV - you know, why not hitch my wagon to another hopeless lost cause"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...hould-be-heard

[TheDemonLord]

So David, why pipe up about the protesters now?
"Well that is a good question, As you may of noticed, my party is down in the polls now, and dancing with the stars is not going to let me re-enter, so this is the only hoebag way I can get my mug on national TV - you know, why not hitch my wagon to another hopeless lost cause"
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...hould-be-heard

I actually think it's because he's been the Libertarian candidate and people like me who support him were very annoyed at him for his condemnation of the Protests, so I suspect the flak he got internally is what prompted him to meet them.

And by doing so, he's shown both Labour and National up.

[sugilite:Me]

I actually think it's because he's been the Libertarian candidate and people like me who support him were very annoyed at him for his condemnation of the Protests, so I suspect the flak he got internally is what prompted him to meet them.

And by doing so, he's shown both Labour and National up.

In battleship terms, I believe that was a direct hit And it took only 7 minutes!

[R650R]

In battleship terms, I believe that was a direct hit And it took only 7 minutes!

More like sonar ping.... then you got fact checked lol

TDL is correct. King David picked up lot of support for protesting the hate speech legislation proposed after the Mosque event which really was more about restricting political speech....

[husaberg]

Just to correct some False information posted on previous page that obviously wasn’t “fact checked”....,.

A truck driver on $24hr is $87.3k per year....... most drivers work 70 hrs a a week

The salaried journalist on 60 whatever per year is prob working close to truck driver hours with all the required reading and monitoring of news in spare time.... your not going to get any scoops waiting til you get tin office at 9am..., bringing that hourly wage close to min

The average hourly pay for a Heavy Truck Driver in New Zealand is NZ$24.27.
the minimum wage for New Zealand is $21.20 per hour.

https://www.payscale.com/research/NZ...er/Hourly_Rate

[TheDemonLord]

In battleship terms, I believe that was a direct hit And it took only 7 minutes!

Well, I know that I certainly Emailed him...

[sugilite:Me]

More like sonar ping.... then you got fact checked lol

TDL is correct. King David picked up lot of support for protesting the hate speech legislation proposed after the Mosque event which really was more about restricting political speech....

As usual, the point of my post went straight over your head. TDL did not fact check me, more just confirm that Seymour is a typical polly who will spout how they feel, in this case how he did not support the protestors, then a few angry emails and then it is back flip time. But as it needs to be explained to you, I know how much TDL champions Seymour, so I could not help but have a wee dig at David and see how long it took for TDL to come riding in on his white charger to defend him - 7 minutes. It almost seems as if TDL has written a script to alert him when I post . Now while it is absolute adorbs how you have come in riding your little white miniature pony in support of TDL, maybe a quick read of the room might be in order before you pony up next time eh

Well, I know that I certainly Emailed him...

I don't doubt it. Why are you not with the protesters supporting them then? Or is it just your favorite pollies you hold to account in terms of what they should support?

So how long do you two think either the democrat or republican governments in the USA would of put up with a protest on the grounds of say the white house? How many hours before they would of been given the bums rush? Yet here in little ole NZ, the protesters freedoms seem to be supported a lot better by the authorities. No wonder you emigrated here TDL.

P.S. I see I'm not the only one who sees Seymours real motives...

[TheDemonLord]

As usual, the point of my post went straight over your head. TDL did not fact check me, more just confirm that Seymour is a typical polly who will spout how they feel, in this case how he did not support the protestors, then a few angry emails and then it is back flip time. But as it needs to be explained to you, I know how much TDL champions Seymour, so I could not help but have a wee dig at David and see how long it took for TDL to come riding in on his white charger to defend him - 7 minutes. It almost seems as if TDL has written a script to alert him when I post . Now while it is absolute adorbs how you have come in riding your little white miniature pony in support of TDL, maybe a quick read of the room might be in order before you pony up next time eh

It was more fortuitous coincidence.

However on the subject of Seymour - sure, he's a politician and he's also human and not perfect. Many ACT Voters were really disappointed with his disparaging remarks about the Protestors and called him out on it - making the point that they are wanting freedom from intrusive Government restriction (something Seymour has been in opposition to).

So Seymour listens to his Voter base and goes to talk with the protestors, after his supporters made the argument to him.

If that's some form of Gotcha, then I'm not sure what to say...

I don't doubt it. Why are you not with the protesters supporting them then? Or is it just your favorite pollies you hold to account in terms of what they should support?

I certainly have given it a lot of thought, about going to join them. For now, I'm donating. I may go and join, I may not. I'm still deciding.

So how long do you two think either the democrat or republican governments in the USA would of put up with a protest on the grounds of say the white house? How many hours before they would of been given the bums rush? Yet here in little ole NZ, the protesters freedoms seem to be supported a lot better by the authorities. No wonder you emigrated here TDL.

Depends - If it was a BLM protest, it would be given Carte Blanche (like in CHAZ/CHOP or every other time a Governor stood down the Police), if it was those eeeeevil Right Wingers - they'd be called Fascists, accused of an insurrection and one of the protestors would likely be shot in dubious circumstances...

And I mean you only have to look at what Canada (well, to be honest Trudeau) is doing, he's going full Authoritarian. And Jacinda isn't far behind.

P.S. I see I'm not the only one who sees Seymours real motives...

It's an interesting Cartoon, on the face of it - it's saying that Seymour is just ambulance chasing votes...

But if we go one layer deeper - in order for Seymour to chase votes, there most be votes to be chased. That is to say, a segment of Society that currently does not vote for ACT and is not being served by the other parties. To sum up - in order for the Cartoon to be funny, you have to acknowledge there is a group of disillusioned potential voters.


On a side note - Luxon from National is really starting to piss me off. Nothing but spineless Labour-Lite. Absolute Disgrace. Someone needs to hit the entire National party repeatedly over the Head with some Mill, Locke and Scruton with the vain hopes that this knocks some sense into them as to what being a Conservative should be.

[sugilite:Me]

So Seymour listens to his Voter base and goes to talk with the protestors, after his supporters made the argument to him.

If that's some form of Gotcha, then I'm not sure what to say...

Not a gotcha, an observation, he is a pollie after all.

Depends - If it was a BLM protest, it would be given Carte Blanche (like in CHAZ/CHOP or every other time a Governor stood down the Police), if it was those eeeeevil Right Wingers - they'd be called Fascists, accused of an insurrection and one of the protestors would likely be shot in dubious circumstances...

And I mean you only have to look at what Canada (well, to be honest Trudeau) is doing, he's going full Authoritarian. And Jacinda isn't far behind.

Get real, BLM doing shit in portland and so on VS occupying White House grounds for a week or more? Both the dems and more so the repubs would expel them post haste. Fuck Trump teargassed protesters to cross the road for a photo op! Where was your freedom to protest objections then? Did your deep love for Trump blind you on that one? Trump was very authoritarian, no complaints there from you either, just seems when the left do it that suddenly it is an issue for you? (queue yet another love ode to trump from you now - heh). So Treudeau and Jacinda are naughty authoritarians, but no mention of any right wing ones like trump. When it comes to the right, your bar is always set lower, than the cook straight undersea power cable, but for the left, so high it gives nose bleeds. Your US election fraud argument (despite zero evidence - even the dodgy arizona trump loving cronies found more votes for biden ) is case in point.

It's an interesting Cartoon, on the face of it - it's saying that Seymour is just ambulance chasing votes...

But if we go one layer deeper - in order for Seymour to chase votes, there most be votes to be chased. That is to say, a segment of Society that currently does not vote for ACT and is not being served by the other parties. To sum up - in order for the Cartoon to be funny, you have to acknowledge there is a group of disillusioned potential voters.


On a side note - Luxon from National is really starting to piss me off. Nothing but spineless Labour-Lite. Absolute Disgrace. Someone needs to hit the entire National party repeatedly over the Head with some Mill, Locke and Scruton with the vain hopes that this knocks some sense into them as to what being a Conservative should be.

Yes, we both agree, Seymour is chasing votes, as pollies do. There is always disillusioned voters ready to bullshit too. Going one layer deeper, Luxon is doing the same, just in a less approved way for you.

[TheDemonLord]

Get real, BLM doing shit in portland and so on VS occupying White House grounds for a week or more? Both the dems and more so the repubs would expel them post haste. Fuck Trump teargassed protesters to cross the road for a photo op! Where was your freedom to protest objections then? Did your deep love for Trump blind you on that one? Trump was very authoritarian, no complaints there from you either, just seems when the left do it that suddenly it is an issue for you? (queue yet another love ode to trump from you now - heh). So Treudeau and Jacinda are naughty authoritarians, but no mention of any right wing ones like trump. When it comes to the right, your bar is always set lower, than the cook straight undersea power cable, but for the left, so high it gives nose bleeds. Your US election fraud argument (despite zero evidence - even the dodgy arizona trump loving cronies found more votes for biden ) is case in point.

Okay - so lots in there - on the Tear Gas thing - probably a bad move. That said, BLM rioters had burned the building the night before, so let's go with my sympathy is moderated.

But speaking of Trudeau and speaking of Tear Gas:

We all watch in horror and consternation at what is going on in the United States. It is a time to listen, a time to learn what injustices continue despite progress

That was Trudeau talking about the BLM Protestors.
Let's fast-forward to see what Trudeau is saying about the current protestors:

You don’t want to end up losing your license, end up with a criminal record, which will impact your job, your livelihood, even your ability to travel internationally, including to the US,

I dunno about you, but that's a pretty clear threat.

We've got one standard for the approved left-wing protest 'It's time to listen' and a completely different standard for the 'right wing' protest...

Now as for my supposed different standards for behavior - let me go with this: The Canadian Trucker protest has been going on for what, 10 days? I've not seen any reports of any Truckers involved in the protest committing serious crime (Arson, Murder etc.)

What about the CHAZ/CHOP, which has a lot of similarities in that a group took over a part of a city: Multiple Murders in just 7 days.

If I grant you all the people killed in the 'insurrection' and what happened at Charlottesville, still is not a drop in the bucket compared to how many people have been Murdered by BLM activists.

Kyle Rittenhouse was attacked by 3 random Antifa/BLM activists - One Pedophile, one Wife-Beater and one Career Scum-bag (DUIs, Abuse, Prowling) etc.

So, if you think I'm being a tad uncharitable - Maybe. Until, however, these supposed 'right wing' protests start coming close to the amount of Death, Destruction and lawlessness that the 'approved' Left-wing Protests generate - Yeah, I'm going to judge each protest, not by my standards, but by the standards they set for themselves.

Yes, we both agree, Seymour is chasing votes, as pollies do. There is always disillusioned voters ready to bullshit too. Going one layer deeper, Luxon is doing the same, just in a less approved way for you.

Who is the group that is going to vote for Luxon?

The people that like Labour-esque policies... Will vote Labour...

Like at this point, Luxon has a golden opportunity to actually be an opposition leader - and he's doing just about everything he can to piss it into the wind. And I'm genuinely annoyed at him because if we get 3 more years of Stalinda, it will literally be his Fault...

[sugilite:Me]

Now as for my supposed different standards for behavior - let me go with this: The Canadian Trucker protest has been going on for what, 10 days? I've not seen any reports of any Truckers involved in the protest committing serious crime (Arson, Murder etc.)

Well they are Canadians, they are much better behaved. Though if those truckers are breaking laws, they should probs be pulled up on that.

What about the CHAZ/CHOP, which has a lot of similarities in that a group took over a part of a city: Multiple Murders in just 7 days.

Hardly a fair comparison, freedom loving canadian truckers vs an American stirrer group with their beloved guns

Who is the group that is going to vote for Luxon?

Obviously the middle ground voters that left national in droves. Luxon is a poli greenhorn, there will be consequences for that.

Like at this point, Luxon has a golden opportunity to actually be an opposition leader - and he's doing just about everything he can to piss it into the wind. And I'm genuinely annoyed at him because if we get 3 more years of Stalinda, it will literally be his Fault...

At this point I barely care who is running the show, both labor and national will shit all over the majority people, just in different ways. Both are shit.