Beehive occupation.

[Stylo]

Again put up or shut up where is your credible evidence to support you claims

True. I'm waiting for evidence too. This is like Trump promising to furnish his tax returns 100 times when everbody know he wouldn't because he's full of shit. He never did in the end.

I had some empathy for the Protesters initially and I could understand their point of with a degree of understanding of their plight. But .

I've had enough of these guys now. Jokes over and you're pissing everyone off now. It's not all about you. No thought ever given to the fucking disruption you've caused and the kids you've made cry and the Business people who've lost money and everyone else. The gutless Protesters don't even have a clear mandate or even someone with the balls to stand up. Stop shitting on the lawns and get someone to make a call.

Behave like human beings, and stop squatting down and shitting on the fucking lawns. Filthy bastards.

[TheDemonLord]

For the record ... the observation I made was ... that you were not that great an opposition.

And when both sides think the other is poor opposition and invoke me

They can't both be right...

But they can both be wrong...

As I said, I enjoy the Irony.

What you believe gives you NO RIGHT ... and ... NO "Moral Authority" to use force or make demands. The very thing you abhor with the churches ...

Then you can't say that Slavery was wrong and that it was Right and Moral to use Force to Demand the entire world stop it.

But I can, and I can do so without being a hypocrite. Since the same rights and morals I hold for myself apply to everyone else.

Don't take it then. Oh wait ... YOU DID.

Take it, don't take it - either way it's my choice and no compulsion either way would have changed my decision. The compulsion is the immoral part

Three states ... in a country of what ... 50 states .. ?? I'm not sure ... I never delved into US history.

That was off the top of my head.

As I've already said ... what you choose to believe is your choice. You'll usually be wrong though.

And yet, getting more and more right with each passing day

The "Reporting" was usually of similar style to the Nazi version. ie: This is what you will report.

Specific to Wartime matters, agreed, elsewhere - the Press had a lot more leeway.

It's a free country ... in most respects ...

Most countries are, it's the areas where it isn't free that Matters.

[TheDemonLord]

No thought given to the fucking disruption you've caused and the kids you've made cry and the Business people who've lost money and everyone else.

I completely agree, that's why what the Government did was wrong

[pritch]

Could that possibly be because 90+% of people are double vaxed?

Simple. Still, too dificult for some.

[Stylo]

I completely agree, that's why what the Government did was wrong

That went straight over your head. You fucking idiot.

Cover up your turds mate. After you've finished your squatting. You filthy individual. Off to wash my hands and brush my teeth,

[Stylo]

Again put up or shut up where is your credible evidence to support you claims

True. I'm waiting for evidence too. This is like Trump promising to furnish his tax returns 100 times when everbody know he wouldn't because he's full of shit. He never did in the end.

I had some empathy for the Protesters initially and I could understand their point of with a degree of understanding of their plight. But .

I've had enough of these guys now. Jokes over and you're pissing everyone off now. It's not all about you. No thought given to the fucking disruption you've caused and the kids you've made cry and the Business people who've lost money and everyone else. The gutless Protesters don't even have a clear mandate or even someone with the balls to stand up. Stop shitting on the lawns and get someone to make a call. They don't give a shit.

Behave like human beings, and stop shitting on the fucking lawns.

[husaberg]

True. I'm waiting for evidence too. This is like Trump promising to furnish his tax returns 100 times when everbody know he wouldn't because he's full of shit. He never did in the end.

I had some empathy for the Protesters initially and I could understand their point of with a degree of understanding of their plight. But .

I've had enough of these guys now. Jokes over and you're pissing everyone off now. It's not all about you. No thought given to the fucking disruption you've caused and the kids you've made cry and the Business people who've lost money and everyone else. The gutless Protesters don't even have a clear mandate or even someone with the balls to stand up. Stop shitting on the lawns and get someone to make a call. They don't give a shit.

Behave like human beings, and stop shitting on the fucking lawns.

Trumps spoutings must be extra tasty as trump supporters line up to swallow

[jellywrestler]

I've had enough of these guys now. Jokes over and you're pissing everyone off now. It's not all about you. No thought ever given to the fucking disruption you've caused and the kids you've made cry and the Business people who've lost money and everyone else. The gutless Protesters don't even have a clear mandate or even someone with the balls to stand up. Stop shitting on the lawns and get someone to make a call.

Behave like human beings, and stop squatting down and shitting on the fucking lawns. Filthy bastards.

I think you'll find the sanitation has changed substantially since the early days. A number of those that were too radical have been sent away too. I bet if you sat ten people down, any ten, and quizzed them properly they most wouldn't have a clear understanding of a lot of the ins and outs of things they say they are standing up for. I had a mate here on wed night whose proud he's an ant vaxxer, about 60 years old, He's not at all, he just hates the press and doesn't like the government, I'm not questioning his belief, just what he thinks he is.

[TheDemonLord]

That went straight over your head. You fucking idiot.

Or, I'm pointing out the irony that the complaints you level at the Protestors are exactly the same complaints leveled against the Government.

The only difference is that the Protest only affects part of Wellington, whereas the Government affects all of NZ (and therefore has done vastly more damage than anything the Protestors have done thus far).




And considering you've posted the exact same post twice, I'd be really careful about calling others 'Idiot'

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131197313

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1131197319

Oof

[Stylo]

Trumps spoutings must be extra tasty as trump supporters line up to swallow

And a few on this thread would line up to have a bit of tubular Donald in their mouth. We all know who they are. Good call

[mashman]

Depends on what you define as .. working. Have you got Covid yet ... ?? Did your jab not work .. ??

It's a free country. BUT ... Will that get your desired result ... ???

Working, as in, doing what it was sold to do according to the testing. I once had a coronavirus for about 10 months. Pretty debilitating it was too. My sisters and sister in laws jabs didn't work, and my sister had a couple of uncomfortable weeks with Delta. Would it have been worse if she had have been unvaccinated? Who knows, because the results didn't match testing for the jab

I hope that the choice is at least allowed to appear on the menu for professionals to administer. That it's not up for debate concerns me somewhat and somewhat sees my hope languishing beneath a boner chilling shower.

[Stylo]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131197322]Or, I'm pointing out the irony that the complaints you level at the Protestors are exactly the same complaints leveled against the Government.

The only difference is that the Protest only affects part of Wellington, whereas the Government affects all of NZ (and therefore has done vastly more damage than anything the Protestors have done thus far).

Your protest affects all of New Zealand by default. Being on Parliament grounds my first dissappointment is Police haven't taken a harder line about getting rid of these fucking idiots.

Otherwise they'll continue laying their foul piles of shit on the lawn. must be Ok with you, I don't like it.

I'm a bit more house trained than you are, each to their own I guess.

[TheDemonLord]

Read what you just posted, Not quite sure what members of Parliament were shitting on the lawn like the disgusting people you promote do every day. You've implied that they do. I'm sure they don't.

Read which part of your comment I specifically cut out and quoted.

You'll note there's no mention of shitting in any Lawns in that bit.

I'll refresh you memory:

- Disruption (Government definitely caused a lot of that
- Making Kids cry (School Mask Mandates and the stunting of language and emotional development due to mask wearing by adults)
- Businesses who've lost money and everything.

Those are definitely all things that the Government have done and in far greater amounts than anything the Protestors have done.

Your protest affects all of New Zealand by default. Being on Parliament grounds my first dissappointment is Police haven't taken a harder line about getting rid of these fucking idiots.

Otherwise they'll continue laying their foul piles of shit on the lawn. Must be Ok with you, I don't like it.

Honestly, shit on the lawns is one of the least objectionable things to come out of the Beehive in recent times - but regardless - here's the ultimate question:

Are you okay with Mandates? And to be clear we mean forcing one group to do something they don't want to do on pain of a Fine or being excluded from areas/services?

If the answer is No, then you should write to your MP, tell them you don't like what the protestors are doing but you think that the Mandates are wrong and they should get rid of them in order to get the Protestors to go away.

If the answer is Yes, that you're fine with one group using force against another - then you've got no leg to stand on to complain about what the Protestors are doing.

So which is it?

[FJRider]

Working, as in, doing what it was sold to do according to the testing. I once had a coronavirus for about 10 months. Pretty debilitating it was too. My sisters and sister in laws jabs didn't work, and my sister had a couple of uncomfortable weeks with Delta. Would it have been worse if she had have been unvaccinated? Who knows, because the results didn't match testing for the jab

Or ... the virus affects different people ... differently. I am glad you survived.

That you DID survive could mean it did work. It was supposed to be a killer virus after all.

Having said that though ... most of those that died from the virus had underlying medical conditions ... that were actual the cause of the death. Conditions ... some didn't know they had.

I hope that the choice is at least allowed to appear on the menu for professionals to administer. That it's not up for debate concerns me somewhat and somewhat sees my hope languishing beneath a boner chilling shower.

The protest isn't over yet. SO ... Don't give up yet.

What have you got to lose .. ??

[FJRider]

But they can both be wrong...

As I said, I enjoy the Irony.

Maybe ... And ... I could be right.

Then you can't say that Slavery was wrong and that it was Right and Moral to use Force to Demand the entire world stop it.

It was allowed in law. So it could be argued it WAS right ... at the time. At least legal. As was Homosexuality. Times and attitudes change.

Regarding the vaccine policy ... they haven't changed yet. So keep trying. You have that right.

... Go figure.

But I can, and I can do so without being a hypocrite. Since the same rights and morals I hold for myself apply to everyone else.

YOU can't speak for me ... and tell me what my rights and morals are ... or should be.

YOUR "Rights and Morals" are yours ... you can't force them ... on me. Especially the one's laid down IN LAW.

Take it, don't take it - either way it's my choice and no compulsion either way would have changed my decision. The compulsion is the immoral part

Your compulsion to argue is immoral ... ?? I might agree ...

That was off the top of my head.

I knew there was a bit missing off your head.

And yet, getting more and more right with each passing day

So ... what was proven right ... that you've argued for ... lately ... ??

Specific to Wartime matters, agreed, elsewhere - the Press had a lot more leeway.

Downtown Berlin wasn't "Elsewhere" ...

And some journalists were sued on a regular basis. Some journalists that were in Berlin in 1945 ... were jailed for not following policy.

Good luck finding stuff they wrote though.

Free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Most countries are, it's the areas where it isn't free that Matters.

As above ... Free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be. You can STILL be jailed ... for saying/writing things that can be regarded as offensive.