The journey that COVID-19 will take us on

[F5 Dave]

When I was 14 one of the most interesting classes I did was ODC. Origins and Development of Culture.

Mesopotamia was arguably the first civilisation up to 14000 years BC, which speaking of is odd because apparently the earth is only 3000 years old.

Seems odd Soddom Hoosinsane was put in charge of it.

[pete376403]

Not a difficult choice for the smart ones ... the US have military air bases in Saudi. THEN and NOW..

Mind you that did backfire a bit - Bin Laden was able to use "infidels on the holy ground" to whip up anti-american sentiment, not too difficult when most of saudi is wahhabi, one of the more extreme muslim sects.

[TheDemonLord]

Not a difficult choice for the smart ones ... the US have military air bases in Saudi. THEN and NOW.

And NOT including the Saudi's own forces.

All gassed up and ready to go.

The chants there at the time was ... Bring it on Saddam.

I wasn't talking about going to war with them, I was talking about which one is/was more reprehensible.

[FJRider]

Mind you that did backfire a bit - Bin Laden was able to use "infidels on the holy ground" to whip up anti-american sentiment, not too difficult when most of saudi is wahhabi, one of the more extreme muslim sects.

Currently ... there are still five US bases in Saudi Arabia. (Apparently) ... It is better the Infidels die in the defense of Saudi ... than the believers.

Go figure.

[FJRider]

... I was talking about which one is/was more reprehensible.

There are five US Military Bases in Saudi ... Saudi Arabia is a strong ally of the US ... why do you consider it reprehensible .. ??

[FJRider]

Yep, it was more like oil grab 3.

At the end ... it was let's put the fires out.

[FJRider]

So where's my cheaper oil?

Saddam's last action in power was to set fire to all the oil installations.

[pete376403]

Currently ... there are still five US bases in Saudi Arabia. (Apparently) ... It is better the Infidels die in the defense of Saudi ... than the believers.

Go figure.

If the House of Saud and MBS say the bases can stay then they stay. Bin Laden was selling his story to to the Taliban. Incidentally, "Charlie Wilsons War" (the book, not the movie) has a great load of background about Bin Laden and the Taliban, and how the US thought they were the greatest thing fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, until it all turned against the US

[husaberg]

If the House of Saud and MBS say the bases can stay then they stay. Bin Laden was selling his story to to the Taliban. Incidentally, "Charlie Wilsons War" (the book, not the movie) has a great load of background about Bin Laden and the Taliban, and how the US thought they were the greatest thing fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, until it all turned against the US

The same wth Sandbag Hussian when he was fighting Iran or Iran when it had another leader previously.

[pete376403]

The same wth Sandbag Hussian when he was fighting Iran or Iran when it had another leader previously.

Saddam (Iraq, supported by US) was fighting Iran, supported by Russia. Donald Rumsfeld (US Sec Defence)said something like "He (Saddam) might be a bad guy, but he's our bad guy". How quickly the US got over that romance...

[TheDemonLord]

There are five US Military Bases in Saudi ... Saudi Arabia is a strong ally of the US ... why do you consider it reprehensible .. ??

Whether it's the tacist approval of Terrorism, Lack of Human rights, Torture, killing of journalists, the Wahabist tradition, treatment of Women, Treatment of Gays etc.

Take your pick.

[Viking01]

Whether it's the tacist approval of Terrorism, Lack of Human rights, Torture, killing of journalists, the Wahabist tradition, treatment of Women, Treatment of Gays etc.

Take your pick.

Morning.

You forgot to include that war that Saudi has been conducting against Yemen (since 2015), and which hardly ever reaches western media :

https://journal-neo.org/2022/02/10/s...uted-response/

Suppose to do so would reveal not only Saudi actions, but all the roles of certain western countries (and their continued sales of weapons to Saudi).

[FJRider]

Whether it's the tacist approval of Terrorism, Lack of Human rights, Torture, killing of journalists, the Wahabist tradition, treatment of Women, Treatment of Gays etc.

Take your pick.

Bugger ... eh.

You might not want to go there then ... if you're in any of those groups you mentioned.


The idea is ... you learn the rules of the place ... before you go there.

[TheDemonLord]

Bugger ... eh.

You might not want to go there then ... if you're in any of those groups you mentioned.

The idea is ... you learn the rules of the place ... before you go there.

And how would one stop being a Human?

[R650R]

Saudi Arabia had the backing of the US ... and the finances ... firepower ... and freedom to kick Saddam's ass into the middle of nowhere.

As you say .. Kuwait was always the target.

But the US needed an excuse. And ... Saddam gave them one.



Only one excuse was needed.

If you read a few articles or books by military experts you’ll quickly find a common theme that their forces are largely incompetent show ponies. Lacking in courage and ability.
Even their alleged terror masterminds turned up to the biggest hijacking of their careers with Stanley knives.... prob so they didn’t accidently cut themselves....