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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Crikey Rudy, I see you are having a fact free Friday!
    "Ronny Lynn Jackson (born May 4, 1967) is an American physician, Republican politician, and retired United States Navy rear admiral who is the U.S. representative for Texas's 13th congressional district.

    Jackson joined the White House Medical Unit in the mid-2000s under George W. Bush"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronny_Jackson
    Oh Dear, Oh Dear.

    One should scroll a little:

    Physician to the President
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    President Barack Obama

    Donald Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Oh Dear, Oh Dear.

    One should scroll a little:
    I knew that, but he was originally appointed by Bush - Ooofff

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    No, because I'm clearly not making a comment based on the test being easy or difficult - that's irrelevant to me, I didn't raise the difficulty as point of contention - only that the test had been done, and based on the standards the Democrats set for Trump, it's now appropriate for Biden to take the same test, for the same reasons
    If course whether the test is easy or not is relevant, it is simply rather that it is inconvenient to your Trump is a really smart guy narrative. Do you think I do not notice that is pretty much the case every time you roll out the good ole "that is irrelevant to me". An easy test is barely a test. The fact Trump and team chose such an easy test speaks volumes, despite you saying it does not. Further, Trump did not take it because the dems asked him too, it is because he and his team became alarmed at how many people were starting to notice how bad Trump actually is. I mean, come on, since when did Trump EVER do something just because the dems asked him to?


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I've listened to full Trump speeches, I've listened to full Biden speeches. Trump never sounds as muddled as Biden is, He's quick witted and he reacts to the Crowd. Sure he might trip on the occassional word (who doesn't) but nowhere near as bad as Biden was in the State of the Union.
    So you are saying what? Trying to confirm what everyone else in this thread has been saying all along, that Biden is too old and doddery to do the job? You just cannot seem to grasp that we all agree with you



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    And when you all treat Biden with the same vitriol you treated Trump for 4 years, maybe I'll agree with you.
    If you bothered to think about it, you would realize I've barely ever said anything positive about Biden. Simply put, Trump just gives me sooooo much more material to work with.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I've always liked this quote from Jordan Peterson on this:
    Just a standard TDL what aboutism - You know full well I credit pollies with being lying pieces of shit. I'm referencing directly your words that trump is all bravado etc, but in actual fact, as you well know - they are simply lies.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Trump says it's gonna be the biggest, best, greatest - whatever - Sure - it's a lie - does it in anyway seriously alter what he means?
    If course it does, when he said his father was born in Germany, he meant - his father was born in Germany. Was his father born in Germany - No. Did he need to lie? No, Why did he lie? Only he really knows, but I suspect it was to grow an affinity with the Germans - but under false pretenses. Did that lie matter. Yes, if course it did. Are the US presidents words important? Is it important that the presidents words be taken at face value? If course - except for people that have trumps nuts firmly on their chin.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Actually, I wouldn't.

    I could post every little faux pas, Hair-Sniffing, Creepy Old Man, mispoke of Biden's (like you all do with Trump), but I don't.
    And neither did I, I simply could not have kept up with Trumps daily dribble, oh sorry, Bravado.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Case in point - remember how everyone (The Media, Pritch, Husa etc.) were mocking Trump for saying 'Airport' in regards to the Revolutionary War? Whereas to anyone with any knowledge would have known that he meant 'Port'? (and probably just out of habit called it an Airport instead of just port)?
    Did you talk to Trump personally about that did you? He must have got over his paper thin skin and actually admitted to you he made a mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I could have posted up Biden's quote of 'We've assembled the greatest Electoral Fraud Team' and prattled on about that (like everyone does with Trump...) - but I don't.

    Because clearly Biden meant Anti-Fraud team. See, I'm willing to grant Biden a lot of leeway on some issues (the minor ones), his recent State of the Union though - in places he sounded borderline Drunk in terms of how bad his speech was. That's something I've never heard from any Trump speech.
    Both connotations work for me, but I see where you are going with that. I have absolutely seen speeches where trump appears to be very incoherent, so is Biden. Douche vs Turd sandwich - welcome to USA modern politics.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    And again - the precedent has been set by the Democrats insisting Trump took a test (which he did) so now there is every reason to insist Biden takes the same test.
    OK, sure why not. Biden should do a test designed for 5 year olds, because the difficulty of the test is not relevant according to you - right?

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    All of which why TDL is on ignore. I'm thinking his login is a Bot with a very simple algorithm that is in need of an update to be even slightly convincing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    If course whether the test is easy or not is relevant, it is simply rather that it is inconvenient to your Trump is a really smart guy narrative. Do you think I do not notice that is pretty much the case every time you roll out the good ole "that is irrelevant to me". An easy test is barely a test. The fact Trump and team chose such an easy test speaks volumes, despite you saying it does not. Further, Trump did not take it because the dems asked him too, it is because he and his team became alarmed at how many people were starting to notice how bad Trump actually is. I mean, come on, since when did Trump EVER do something just because the dems asked him to?
    I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.

    You keep trying to make this about whether the test is easy or not - never been a contention of mine, on this issue. All I've said is - Precedent has been set, I expect Biden to follow suit, if he refuses, then I get to infer that it's because he can't.

    As for why Trump did it: To make the Democrats look petty and foolish.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    So you are saying what? Trying to confirm what everyone else in this thread has been saying all along, that Biden is too old and doddery to do the job? You just cannot seem to grasp that we all agree with you

    If you bothered to think about it, you would realize I've barely ever said anything positive about Biden. Simply put, Trump just gives me sooooo much more material to work with.
    As I said, when you treat Biden with the same contempt you've treated Trump for the past 4 years, I'll agree.

    Until then, If Trump did half the things Biden has done, you'd be clamouring at me like a pack of screeching Sirens.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Just a standard TDL what aboutism - You know full well I credit pollies with being lying pieces of shit. I'm referencing directly your words that trump is all bravado etc, but in actual fact, as you well know - they are simply lies.
    Let me put it this way:

    If a Politician said they did a 10 Km run in the morning, but we found out it was just a 2 km walk, that's much less egregious to me than a Politician saying that they've reduced the number of people on Unemployment Benefits, when in actual fact - they've just reclassified a large proportion as Disabled Benefits.

    Should all Politicians be fully truthful in everything they say and do? Sure.

    Does that mean that all lies are equal? Certainly not. Most of the things you and others point to Trump lying about are in the former category as far as I'm concerned - I know you disagree with this answer and don't really accept it - but that's my honest opinion (and yes, I'm well aware of the Irony in that statement).

    If you let all of those ones slide and only drilled him on the times he's actually lied (and yes, he has, even as a Trump fan, like me and Ben Shapiro - we can happily say Trump has done bad things), you might get a little more charity from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    If course it does, when he said his father was born in Germany, he meant - his father was born in Germany. Was his father born in Germany - No. Did he need to lie? No, Why did he lie? Only he really knows, but I suspect it was to grow an affinity with the Germans - but under false pretenses. Did that lie matter. Yes, if course it did. Are the US presidents words important? Is it important that the presidents words be taken at face value? If course - except for people that have trumps nuts firmly on their chin.
    See above - I can agree with you that all Lies are bad, does this Lie affect Policy or is it misleading the voters on a voter issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    And neither did I, I simply could not have kept up with Trumps daily dribble, oh sorry, Bravado.
    You did it far more for Trump than I could for Biden.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Did you talk to Trump personally about that did you? He must have got over his paper thin skin and actually admitted to you he made a mistake
    The historical event he was talking about was the capturing of a Port. In the speech he said Airport, I think it's not the greatest leap of Logic to infer what has happened.


    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Both connotations work for me, but I see where you are going with that. I have absolutely seen speeches where trump appears to be very incoherent, so is Biden. Douche vs Turd sandwich - welcome to USA modern politics.
    Trump does like to go off on Tangents - but that's different from getting lost.

    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    OK, sure why not. Biden should do a test designed for 5 year olds, because the difficulty of the test is not relevant according to you - right?
    So long as it's the same one, absolutely fine by me. If Biden continues to avoid doing it - then I will continue to infer...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.
    What, most casinos bankrupted?
    Most million lost in one financial year?
    Most draft notices dodged?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    As for why Trump did it: To make the Democrats look petty and foolish.
    By chossing such an easy test, he made himself look foolish - as he is prone to do.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    As I said, when you treat Biden with the same contempt you've treated Trump for the past 4 years, I'll agree.

    Until then, If Trump did half the things Biden has done, you'd be clamouring at me like a pack of screeching Sirens.
    Give it time, it has not been much longer than a year. Up to now, Biden simply does not do the sheer volume of stupid shit that trump did. Cannot be plainer than that.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Let me put it this way:

    If a Politician said they did a 10 Km run in the morning, but we found out it was just a 2 km walk, that's much less egregious to me than a Politician saying that they've reduced the number of people on Unemployment Benefits, when in actual fact - they've just reclassified a large proportion as Disabled Benefits.

    Should all Politicians be fully truthful in everything they say and do? Sure.

    Does that mean that all lies are equal? Certainly not. Most of the things you and others point to Trump lying about are in the former category as far as I'm concerned - I know you disagree with this answer and don't really accept it - but that's my honest opinion (and yes, I'm well aware of the Irony in that statement).

    If you let all of those ones slide and only drilled him on the times he's actually lied (and yes, he has, even as a Trump fan, like me and Ben Shapiro - we can happily say Trump has done bad things), you might get a little more charity from me.
    Herein lies the problem, when someone lies near every time they open their mouth, when can they ever be taken at their word? What you call his "style" is still a bunch of lies. We are way beyond boy crying wolf here. If you have to question if a president is being serious, over exaggerating or just outright lying on near every thing he utters - what ever way you try to cut it, that is a major problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    See above - I can agree with you that all Lies are bad, does this Lie affect Policy or is it misleading the voters on a voter issue?
    He lied to an entire nation. That is not good under any terms.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    You did it far more for Trump than I could for Biden.
    And I have explained why several times.



    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    The historical event he was talking about was the capturing of a Port. In the speech he said Airport, I think it's not the greatest leap of Logic to infer what has happened.
    Says the guy that asked me for clearly confidential US, Government emails as a way of proof. I've mentioned several times about your propensity to set incredibly low bars as proof of your own argument, but nose bleed high ones for anything that goes against your arguments.





    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Trump does like to go off on Tangents - but that's different from getting lost.
    saw him many time go of on a tangent and never make it back - that is quite lost in my book.




    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    So long as it's the same one, absolutely fine by me. If Biden continues to avoid doing it - then I will continue to infer...
    Nope, as you have strongly stated, it does not matter how hard the test is, so why does Biden have to do the same one if it is not important in the first place?

    For the record, I did not give a shit whether trump did one or not, but choosing the low bar he did, did not cast him in a good light for me. I genuinely do not care if Biden takes one or not, and even if he did and failed, it just backs up what I have been saying. He is ill suited to being president - just like the last guy, and the one before that, and so on. Because all the US system can come up with is seriously crappy candidates.

    Here is a video of the possible next one being a cunt to some school age kids. (Hardly upholding conservative freedom of choice values eh)



    Let the gloss over begin....

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    Jesus fuck. This is like watching fish being shot in a barrel with a machine gun.

    Actually it's like an election political debate between Bridges and Ardern.

    TDL is obviously Bridges and Sugi is giving him such a comprehensive kicking its a bit cruel to watch. Take pity on the poor minded fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by F5 Dave View Post
    Jesus fuck. This is like watching fish being shot in a barrel with a machine gun.

    Actually it's like an election political debate between Bridges and Ardern.

    TDL is obviously Bridges and Sugi is giving him such a comprehensive kicking its a bit cruel to watch. Take pity on the poor minded fool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Case in point - remember how everyone (The Media, Pritch, Husa etc.) were mocking Trump for saying 'Airport' in regards to the Revolutionary War? Whereas to anyone with any knowledge would have known that he meant 'Port'? (and probably just out of habit called it an Airport instead of just port)?
    Do you think you'll ever stop being an apologist for Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I base my 'Trump is Smart' narrative on his Accomplishments. He's reached the top in multiple disciplines. Very few people reach the top in any one discipline, he's done it in several.

    You keep trying to make this about whether the test is easy or not - never been a contention of mine, on this issue. All I've said is - Precedent has been set, I expect Biden to follow suit, if he refuses, then I get to infer that it's because he can't.


    I'm not reading the whole post, this was enough.

    Trump reached the top in multiple disciplines? Bollocks. He has never succeeded at anything except possibly being a conman. He certainly conned you. The only impressive thing about him is the list of failed businesses. He blew through a billion dollars including the genius move of actually bankrupting casinos. He was broke until the Russians rode to the rescue.

    Now you are worried about precedent? What about presidents releasing tax returns?

    Trump is a crook but it seems Biden is worried about the reputation of the office of president, and Trump may skate away yet again. Doesn't mean he's innocent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Do you think you'll ever stop being an apologist for Trump?
    Maybe when he gets treated fairly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    I'm not reading the whole post, this was enough.

    Trump reached the top in multiple disciplines? Bollocks. He has never succeeded at anything except possibly being a conman. He certainly conned you. The only impressive thing about him is the list of failed businesses. He blew through a billion dollars including the genius move of actually bankrupting casinos. He was broke until the Russians rode to the rescue.
    He is/was a Property Magnate - not many people get to do that.
    He is/was a Billionaire - even less people get to do that.
    He is/was the host of a world-wide popular TV Show - Of those that achieved the first 2, even less achieve this.
    Finally, he was the President of the US.

    Let's say for the sake of argument that he Conned his way into the top of all of those disciplines - are you trying to say that doesn't demonstrate a high degree of Intelligence? Conning one person in one specialist area is hard. Conning multiple people across multiple specialist disciplines is even harder.

    So even IF he's a Conman, it still means he's clever.

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Now you are worried about precedent? What about presidents releasing tax returns?
    I've never given one iota about any President's tax returns. However, doing something voluntarily is not the same as it being demanded by one political faction. The Democrats demanded a test, Trump did one.

    Now the Republicans, under the same pretext, are demanding Biden take the same test and....

    Crickets and Avoidance.

    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Trump is a crook but it seems Biden is worried about the reputation of the office of president, and Trump may skate away yet again. Doesn't mean he's innocent.
    You serious? Biden has pissed away more prestige with just the Afghanistan failure than Trump did in 4 years.

    This is a perfect example of the point I'm making: You've got massively different standards for Trump than for Biden.
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    I thought he was quite good on the Apprentice.




    That's the TV show by the way, not the 22yo Epstein introduced him to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berries View Post
    I thought he was quite good on the Apprentice.
    He would have been good on Judge Judy too...
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    I would have liked to see him on one of those 80s Japanese survival shows.
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