Jacinda

[F5 Dave]

Well said mate it looks like Stalinda might be out on her arse as fuckwits wake up here finally

Yeah, remember that time when she sent death squads to round up hundreds of dissentors and randoms to shoot every night to keep us in line?
Remember when she killed any political opponents and even party members to keep everyone on their toes and too scared to oppose her?

Let's try again
Remember when she made us stay at home for a few weeks whilst being paid to do home renos and walk the dog every day?
Yeah! Yeah! She's just like Stalin. Waaa waaa, I think I stubbed my vagina on my entitled little bitch self.

[Kickaha]

That's about how he strikes me. There are anecdotal reports from Air NZ staff that he's an arsehole too but...

http://werewolf.co.nz/2022/03/gordon...ialE1ULOVUe_Bo

[george formby]

That's about how he strikes me. There are anecdotal reports from Air NZ staff that he's an arsehole too but...

There was a pic of him in hi viz talking to someone in what looked like a warehouse recently. Hands stuffed in pockets and what looked like a totally disinterested expression.
He may have been talking to an anti vaxxer.

Anyhoo, I'm a body language watcher and an awful lot was wrong with that photo. I instinctively would not trust someone standing like that in front of me.

It was just a photo and it may have been a shit conversation but. Yeah, nah.

[Laava]

Yeah, remember that time when she sent death squads to round up hundreds of dissentors and randoms to shoot every night to keep us in line?
Remember when she killed any political opponents and even party members to keep everyone on their toes and too scared to oppose her?

Let's try again
Remember when she made us stay at home for a few weeks whilst being paid to do home renos and walk the dog every day?
Yeah! Yeah! She's just like Stalin. Waaa waaa, I think I stubbed my vagina on my entitled little bitch self.

Hahahaha, my english genes just love this sort of sarcasm!

[husaberg]

Yeah, remember that time when she sent death squads to round up hundreds of dissentors and randoms to shoot every night to keep us in line?
Remember when she killed any political opponents and even party members to keep everyone on their toes and too scared to oppose her?

.

Isnt it weird that Putin does exactly that.
Trump even tried to do that.
Yet both do not get compared to Stalin or Tito or Pinochet or Mussolini the KB right-wing chair leaders on KB.

in fact, one has repeatedly even tried to make out that the Nazi were socialists
Almost the same as Putin making out the Ukrainian leader to be neo nazi,when he clearly is not.

[FJRider]

Well, Jacinda was a leader of the Socialist Youth, which (the modern iteration) was founded by Stalin, so yeah - I guess some people should try reading some history.

INCLUDING YOU. Because you obviously haven't.

She was elected ... President of the International Union of Socialist Youth. A position that is held for two years.

I don't know where you got the bit that it was founded by Stalin ... but the movement started quite a while before him. And in it's history it makes no mention of Stalin.

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International. During these early years, the organization concentrated on working together on three main topics:


-The Struggle against militarism and war.

-The pressing social question of labour and the fight for better working conditions and better life.

-Improving opportunities for youth education.

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 officially split the worker’s and youth movement into three camps – the communist, socialist and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations, the socialists and social-democrats came together in 1923 to reconstitute the Socialist Youth International.


Check it out for yourself ...

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

OR if you prefer Wiki ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ocialist_Youth

[TheDemonLord]

Isnt it weird that Putin does exactly that.
Trump even tried to do that.
Yet both do not get compared to Stalin or Tito or Pinochet or Mussolini the KB right-wing chair leaders on KB.

in fact, one has repeatedly even tried to make out that the Nazi were socialists
Almost the same as Putin making out the Ukrainian leader to be neo nazi,when he clearly is not.

I'll quite happily compare Putin to any Communist Dictator.

And remember how all the Fascists were initially Marxists? Yeah, let's sweep that under the rug because it's a tad inconvenient.

[onearmedbandit]

National and to a greater extent Act are in the fortunate position of being able to say they would do it better but never having to actually put their promises into action. No matter what labour do or propose to do, Luxon/Seymour will always come out and say "too late, not enough, too much, too soon and what we will do is..." And the gullible voters will let them in and what you've written is what will follow

All opposition parties are in that position, and they've all said similar things. Even Labour. And then the 'gullible' (or should that be 'desperately hopeful') voters will let them in. My point is no political party is above that sort of tactic.

[TheDemonLord]

INCLUDING YOU. Because you obviously haven't.

She was elected ... President of the International Union of Socialist Youth. A position that is held for two years.

I don't know where you got the bit that it was founded by Stalin ... but the movement started quite a while before him. And in it's history it makes no mention of Stalin.

On August 24 – 27, 1907, a meeting of 20 youth representatives from 13 countries met in the German city of Stuttgart and founded the Socialist Youth International (SYI) as the youth organization of the Second International. During these early years, the organization concentrated on working together on three main topics:


-The Struggle against militarism and war.

-The pressing social question of labour and the fight for better working conditions and better life.

-Improving opportunities for youth education.

The formation of the Communist International in Moscow in 1919 officially split the worker’s and youth movement into three camps – the communist, socialist and social-democratic. After initially being split into separate organizations, the socialists and social-democrats came together in 1923 to reconstitute the Socialist Youth International.


Check it out for yourself ...

https://iusy.org/category/home/history-1/

OR if you prefer Wiki ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...ocialist_Youth

I've addressed this previously. The organization that met in Germany didn't really go anywhere. The modern international organization, as per what you've cited was created in Moscow in 1923.

Who was in Moscow and head of the Communist party of Russia in 1923?

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, remember that time when she sent death squads to round up hundreds of dissentors and randoms to shoot every night to keep us in line?
Remember when she killed any political opponents and even party members to keep everyone on their toes and too scared to oppose her?

Let's try again
Remember when she made us stay at home for a few weeks whilst being paid to do home renos and walk the dog every day?
Yeah! Yeah! She's just like Stalin. Waaa waaa, I think I stubbed my vagina on my entitled little bitch self.

Remember when she enforced illegal laws and Mandates? What about the time she implemented Communist lockdown policies (from the CCP)? Or every time she's had the option to take a liberal position or an authoritarian position, she's gleefully pissed on individual rights?

Cause I do. She might not have gotten to the Purges yet, but it even took Stalin 14 years (1922 - 1936), Ardern has only had 5 (5 too many, thanks Winston).

[FJRider]

I've addressed this previously. The organization that met in Germany didn't really go anywhere. The modern international organization, as per what you've cited was created in Moscow in 1923.

Who was in Moscow and head of the Communist party of Russia in 1923?

Notice the bit about splitting into three groups then ... ?? and which group she LATER became president of ... and it wasn't the communist group.

Find and post ANY FACTS that argue ANY point I have stated.


YOU WON'T because you CAN'T.


You can't even (and won't) find Stalin's name in any of the organizations history. Because he WASN'T.

[TheDemonLord]

Notice the bit about splitting into three groups then ... ?? and which group she LATER became president of ... and it wasn't the communist group.

Yes, it was. Because all of the groups (both the ones before the split, during the split and after the split) were under the directorship of the Communist Party.

Again - Moscow, 1923. There aren't exactly a plethora of alternative Political Parties, there's only the Communist Party and it was headed by Stalin.

And in case you are interested:

http://www.marxisthistory.org/histor...amsocyouth.pdf

From late 1923 onward, the beginning of the degeneration of the YCL began to take place, until in 1925 the organic process of the youth movement was brought to an abrupt halt. The youth became a factional pawn, first by the Zinoviev-Stalin faction against Trotsky and then by Stalin against Zinoviev and Trotsky.

Bearing in mind, that's taken from a Pro-Marxist writer, so not any Right Wing Bias there.

But let's take a look at the salient points: 1923, Moscow, Youth Movement, Pawn by Stalin.

You can't even (and won't) find Stalin's name in any of the organizations history. Because he WASN'T.

It's almost like they are trying to obscure their connection to one of the worst dictators in history because it might look bad...

See above.

And the thing is, even if I didn't have that as a source, It's founded in Moscow, in 1923 at the behest of the Communist Party whose dictator is Stalin at that time. I don't need any more evidence than the Dates and location.

[FJRider]

... She might not have gotten to the Purges yet, but it even took Stalin 14 years (1922 - 1936), Ardern has only had 5 (5 too many, thanks Winston).

Give her time ... be sure to vote in the next election ... SHE'LL be BACK.

[FJRider]

And in case you are interested:

http://www.marxisthistory.org/histor...amsocyouth.pdf

It's almost like they are trying to obscure their connection to one of the worst dictators in history because it might look bad...

OR ... he played NO part in the Socialist youth movement.

Note you posted a link to the American Socialist youth movement. Jacinda was president of the International Socialist movement. The two aren't the same.

And the thing is, even if I didn't have that as a source, It's founded in Moscow, in 1923 at the behest of the Communist Party whose dictator is Stalin at that time. I don't need any more evidence than the Dates and location.

Even at the TOP of the link you posted ... it STATED ... History UP To 1923.

BUT ... YOU claim it was FOUNDED in 1923 ... ???

You didn't even read it properly.

FACTS still aren't your strong point. NONE of your original claims have been proven. You've got it wrong on every post on the subject since.

[husaberg]