Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

Imagine if Hunter Biden (who absolutely should be investigated) rang the secretary of state with some coup suggestions, the right wing media would explode!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lection-result

Not to worry, our resident trump apologist should be along shortly to explain why the above behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Originally, i felt the word coup was way to strong for what happened after the 20 election. I have now changed my mind as more information has come to light. It would of been a coup if they had better organisation skills. Multiple republicans gave it a shot, trump included if course. Thank god the trump administration was too incompetent to pull it off.... This time.

[husaberg]

Imagine if Hunter Biden (who absolutely should be investigated) rang the secretary of state with some coup suggestions, the right wing media would explode!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...lection-result

Not to worry, our resident trump apologist should be along shortly to explain why the above behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Originally, i felt the word coup was way to strong for what happened after the 20 election. I have now changed my mind as more information has come to light. It would of been a coup if they had better organisation skills. Multiple republicans gave it a shot, trump included if course. Thank god the trump administration was too incompetent to pull it off.... This time.

fair is fair investigate Biden and his son his mother his auntie and the family dog if needed, but also investigate Trumps family with the same zeal.
Trumps now saying he should have marched to congress with "his people"

[TheDemonLord]

Imagine if Hunter Biden (who absolutely should be investigated) rang the secretary of state with some coup suggestions, the right wing media would explode!

Or ot would be actively supressed by the likes of Google, Facebook, Twitter, Multiple 'experts' would come leaping to Hunter's defence, it would be declared heresy and then 1-2 years later - suddenly it would be 'investigated'.

The best bit is - I'm not making anything up, the only difference is that it wasn't a text with Coup suggestions, it was corruption, conspiring with an enemy (China).

Now - you made the Hunter comparison, not me - and this is, you'll note, the first time I've raised Hunter and his laptop - and only because you raised Hunter.

Edit - The reason I point this out is that I could have pilloried Biden over the actions of Hunter many many many times in this thread, but up until it became relevant - I've granted President Biden a degree of grace in this - insofar as although it's very clear corruption, it's not that bad in the grand scheme of things - Joe Biden taking Bribes via his Son is a long way down on the list of things to be angry at Joe about.

I want to point this out - to again show how much leeway I do grant the opposition (despite multiple claims I crucify them at every turn).

Not to worry, our resident trump apologist should be along shortly to explain why the above behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

Honestly? It's the Guardian quoting CNN.

If the Texts were as bad as they are being made out, as a matter of Public record (due to the trial) - why wouldn't the Guardian just print them in full? At this point, when one Left-wing rag cites another, instead of citing the source - I'm just going to dismiss it out of hand as lies like the Russia Scandal.

Originally, i felt the word coup was way to strong for what happened after the 20 election. I have now changed my mind as more information has come to light. It would of been a coup if they had better organisation skills. Multiple republicans gave it a shot, trump included if course. Thank god the trump administration was too incompetent to pull it off.... This time.

Now, who was it that was saying to call it a Coup was over-egging the pudding. I seem to recall someone pointing out that if it was an attempt at a Coup, given certain 2nd amendment factors, it simply didn't add up.

Who was it that said this? Their name fails me for the moment.

I do distinctly remember that everyone rubbished them at a time as the resident 'Trump Apologist' thought....

Oh how Time seems to be having a wonderful time vindicating me...

[TheDemonLord]

but also investigate Trumps family with the same zeal.

So like they've been doing since 2016?

And again - I get to point out here the active suppression of what was a true story by the likes of Facebook/Twitter and the Left-Wing media.

If anyone can show that level of collusion and favoritism towards Trump by those same entities, I'll concede there's some form of Parity.

[pritch]

Originally, i felt the word coup was way to strong for what happened after the 20 election. I have now changed my mind as more information has come to light. It would of been a coup if they had better organisation skills.

There is no doubt it was a coup attempt and it was recognised as such by people who study such things. Trump cultists may have mentioned that it didn't look like a coup to them. That's their fault. It is recognised as a coup attempt of a type described as a self coup.

Anyone who wants to question that should at least Google it first.

[TheDemonLord]

it was recognised as such by people who study such things.

Who just so happen to be Academics/Journalists with a demonstrable left-wing bias and hatred of Trump.

No correlation at all between those two data points, total coincidence...

[pritch]

And what say you about the fine that Hillary and Co had to pay recently?

Eight thousand dollars? She won't be losing sleep over that, but what has that got to do with anything? The fine was not for producing incorrect information. The Mueller report mentioned many contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians.

While all this was going on Trump was trying to get a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow - which he denied.

Kushner tried to set up a secure link to Moscow ifrom inside the Russian embassy. WTF?

[TheDemonLord]

Eight thousand dollars? She won't be losing sleep over that, but what has that got to do with anything?

And the $105,000 that the DNC had to pay, let's not forget that.

I agree she won't loose sleep over it - one might say because she knew the odds were stacked in her favour.

And as such she got the wimpiest slap, with the wettest of bus tickets.

The fine was not for producing incorrect information.

It was for illegally obtaining it.

The Mueller report mentioned many contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians.

While all this was going on Trump was trying to get a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow - which he denied.

Kushner tried to set up a secure link to Moscow ifrom inside the Russian embassy. WTF?

Ever heard of 'Fruit of the Poisonous Tree'?

If the DNC didn't illegally Spy on Trump, then no Steele Dossier.
No Steele Dossier, no 'Muh Russia' Hoax.
No 'Muh Russia' Hoax, no Mueller report.
No Mueller report, no Contacts.

The whole house of cards falls down as little more than Smoke and Mirrors.

[pete376403]

And the $105,000 that the DNC had to pay, let's not forget that.

I agree she won't loose sleep over it - one might say because she knew the odds were stacked in her favour.

And as such she got the wimpiest slap, with the wettest of bus tickets.



It was for illegally obtaining it.



Ever heard of 'Fruit of the Poisonous Tree'?

If the DNC didn't illegally Spy on Trump, then no Steele Dossier.
No Steele Dossier, no 'Muh Russia' Hoax.
No 'Muh Russia' Hoax, no Mueller report.
No Mueller report, no Contacts.

The whole house of cards falls down as little more than Smoke and Mirrors.

When did research on ones opponent morph into illegally spying? Was it illegal spying when Marco Rubio (R-Fl) supporters contracted Fusion? "During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination." Or did it only become illegal after the DNC got involved?

"Is this sort of research common or legal?
Campaigns and party committees frequently pay companies to assemble what’s known in politics as opposition research — essentially damaging information about their opponents — and nothing is illegal about the practice."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/u...-expained.html

So your argument falls at the first hurdle.

[TheDemonLord]

When did research on ones opponent morph into illegally spying?

When it's packet sniffing DNS data.

[pritch]

And the $105,000 that the DNC had to pay, let's not forget that.

I agree she won't loose sleep over it - one might say because she knew the odds were stacked in her favour.

And as such she got the wimpiest slap, with the wettest of bus tickets.



It was for illegally obtaining it.



Ever heard of 'Fruit of the Poisonous Tree'?

If the DNC didn't illegally Spy on Trump, then no Steele Dossier.
No Steele Dossier, no 'Muh Russia' Hoax.
No 'Muh Russia' Hoax, no Mueller report.
No Mueller report, no Contacts.

The whole house of cards falls down as little more than Smoke and Mirrors.

The fine was for improperly reporting the expendure. There was no illegal spyiing. The tree is not poisoned. Even without Steele's docs there's plenty more evidence: the pissed Trump operative who collared the Australian diplomat, Alexander Downer, and gave him an earful of what they were up to. Downer, having been around the block, reported it to the FBI.

It was no hoax at any stage. I can't remember the number now but there were nearly 200 contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. Including Trump's campaign manager giving their polling data to Russian embassy staff.

You are overlooking Jarred Kushener's approach to the Russians to have a direct secure link to Moscow from inside the Russian embassy.

Juniors meeting with Russians in Trump Tower.

The funneling of Russian money through the NRA and Russian agent Maria Buttina's involvement.

Oh, and the whole world saw Trump do his, "Russia if you're listening..." live on TV.

Only cult members can't see that the Russians were donkey deep in Trump's campaign. No surprises there though.

[pete376403]

When it's packet sniffing DNS data.

A DNS lookup is now illegal spying? How else is my computer going to find another computer when all I have is a name, not an ip. Isnt that what DNS is for?

[TheDemonLord]

The fine was for improperly reporting the expendure. There was no illegal spyiing. The tree is not poisoned.

They illegally gained access to a DNS server, that's a federal crime. And IIRC - that was one of the reasons it started.

Even without Steele's docs there's plenty more evidence: the pissed Trump operative who collared the Australian diplomat, Alexander Downer, and gave him an earful of what they were up to. Downer, having been around the block, reported it to the FBI.

You mean the guy that (and this is from Wikipedia):

Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to a felony charge of making false statements to FBI agents about the timing and the possible significance of his contacts in 2016 relating to U.S.–Russia relations and the Donald Trump presidential campaign.

Is that really what you are going to cite as proof that the 'Muh Russia' Hoax was true?

Really?

And that's before I quote the words of Alexander Downer himself - who said that there was nothing in it?

It was no hoax at any stage. I can't remember the number now but there were nearly 200 contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. Including Trump's campaign manager giving their polling data to Russian embassy staff.

Okay, let me be charitable for a second - given the rather inconvenient detail above, Is there any scenario were you are willing to admit that maybe all the salient facts haven't been presented to you?

That maybe the likes of CNN aren't telling you the whole truth?

Because I'm sure that if the shoe was on the other foot, you would ridicule the piss out of any Trump supporter who put forward a claim for which the star witness had already plead guilty to the FBI that they lied about the thing they are claiming.

You are overlooking Jarred Kushener's approach to the Russians to have a direct secure link to Moscow from inside the Russian embassy.

- Supposedly overheard
- by a Russian sp- I mean 'Diplomat'
- not by Kushener himself

Yep - definitely nothing suspect there.

Juniors meeting with Russians in Trump Tower.

Juniors? Who the fuck cares.

The funneling of Russian money through the NRA and Russian agent Maria Buttina's involvement.

My reading of Maria's involvement is that she attempted much and accomplished little and it was not done at the behest of Trump

Oh, and the whole world saw Trump do his, "Russia if you're listening..." live on TV.

I mean, quite clearly sarcasm....

Only cult members can't see that the Russians were donkey deep in Trump's campaign. No surprises there.

Or it's only Cult Members of a different kind who believe a 4 year long smear campaign that failed to prove it's central claim.

I don't doubt that if you were to look at any political party anywhere with the same scrutiny that the Mueller Witch-hunt had, you would find multiple instances of underhanded dealings, slightly illegal activity, questionable meetings etc.

What it failed to do, however, was actually prove the case as alleged.

[TheDemonLord]

A DNS lookup is now illegal spying? How else is my computer going to find another computer when all I have is a name, not an ip. Isnt that what DNS is for?

DNS is fine, gaining entry to a DNS server to find out which devices have been doing which DNS lookups, when you aren't authorised to do so is most definitely a Federal Crime, and has been since 1986.

Mainly because that kind of data isn't public.

[husaberg]

You have to wonder why all those pardons were granted to those charged found guilty in trumps administration
oh yeah that's why they were guilty and found guilty... but but hilary