Akaroa GP faces new hazards

[jellywrestler]

Much like the road between Blenheim and Nelson - was 100Km,H for a long time then a few crashes in close succession and "something had to be done". Even though (as I was told) one of the crashes was a suicide so, not like a speed limit of any number is going to change that and another of the crashes was two drivers racing, so again, not like any limit is going to be obeyed.

to me it's worse, you get stuck behind a truck as they are 90km limited with no real long distance vision to see issues arising, not fuck all passing lanes either added and there will be a few surprises for people when suddenly the truck they are following in a day dream stops, there's three reactions if caught short, shunt it, left into a ditch or right into what?

[jellywrestler]

Actually no. See my other post. Lots of roads with 100 kmh speed limits should have lower speed limits. We know more now about trauma reduction that we did back when speed limits were first set.

don't disagree, but the trauma reduction was effectively halved with the cheeses cutter install. doesn't matter anyway, that roads now closed with a slip and looks like it will become another manawatu gorge? so much for transmission gully providing an alternative, now aside from the goat track peakakariki hill it's the only option, still, m the salesman that sold TG on an extra route has banked his cheque

[Gremlin]

and the rimutakas, wanganui river road is? there's loads of roads that you can't even reach the 100 limit, yet they still are.

Would you shut up? Don't give them a damn list!

Got *ahem* lectured by a cop that tried telling me 100kph on SH23 to Raglan was a dangerous speed (there have been articles etc they're looking to reduce the limit to 80kph). I looked at him with that pitiful sort of "which rock did you crawl out from under" look and said I've just been doing 100kph on gravel, perfectly reasonable where suitable, and you're trying to tell me 100kph on this sealed highway is dangerous? At least he had the nous not to bother pushing that point...

The issue I have is, it's a limit. You don't have to drive at that, hell, some roads aren't suitable for that. Some corners aren't. Some people completely lack the skill. But when you try to cater for the lowest common denominator, they invent a better idiot. Why is 80kph safer? Why not 50kph, I mean, that's even safer right, based on the arguments around trauma and energy equations? Because too many people would object.

They want to slow people down, but go too far and too many will object. They may even be held to account about it. Brains switch off when not stimulated... maybe one day they'll figure that out.

[Berries]

The pretty much blanket 60km/h limit on gravel roads is the one that is going to cause quite a bit of noise when the councils start putting the signs up.

[pete376403]

The pretty much blanket 60km/h limit on gravel roads is the one that is going to cause quite a bit of noise when the councils start putting the signs up.

Do you think they will risk sending cop cars down gravel roads to enforce the speeds?

[HenryDorsetCase]

As I feared, the 80kph "open" road and 60kph where its a bit windy means that some FUCKING CUNTS think its OK to go at 70 and 50.... down to 35 for every corner. FFFFFFUUUUUUUU Gonna have to get back to getting up at 6.30 on Saturday or Sunday, having a somewhat "spirited" ride over and doing breakfast at Bully Hayes then a cruise back.

Thanks Jacinda.

Also: the filth have a dark grey Skoda but stickered up and with a light bar. Talk about unfair to the sporting public!

[rastuscat]

As I feared, the 80kph "open" road and 60kph where its a bit windy means that some FUCKING CUNTS think its OK to go at 70 and 50.... down to 35 for every corner. FFFFFFUUUUUUUU Gonna have to get back to getting up at 6.30 on Saturday or Sunday, having a somewhat "spirited" ride over and doing breakfast at Bully Hayes then a cruise back.

Thanks Jacinda.

Also: the filth have a dark grey Skoda but stickered up and with a light bar. Talk about unfair to the sporting public!

Fines are still voluntary.

No exceed speed limit, no speeding fine.

Seems too good to be true, but it isn't.

[pritch]

Best wishes with that.

This site has long needed a sarcasm icon.

[pritch]

But when you try to cater for the lowest common denominator, they invent a better idiot.

Mind if I borrow that?

[jellywrestler]

Fines are still voluntary.

No exceed speed limit, no speeding fine.

Seems too good to be true, but it isn't.

i disagree, the warrant of fitness checks no longer require your speedos must be accurate to within 10% these days, just function, so a goverment requirement to check your vehicle simply doesn't provide one iota of accuracy for that, whose to know your speedo is out?

[rastuscat]

i disagree, the warrant of fitness checks no longer require your speedos must be accurate to within 10% these days, just function, so a goverment requirement to check your vehicle simply doesn't provide one iota of accuracy for that, whose to know your speedo is out?

In other news, from my years of experience of calibrating enforcement and other speedos, ooerating speed detection equipment (and instructing on that subject), and of comparing various vehicle speedos to GPS, the vast majority of speedos read optimistically.

So, if your typical speedo reads 50, you are typically doing 45/46.

I've had bikes that are reading 70 when I am actually doing 50. Gotta love Italian scooters.

So, if a popo with a radar checks you at 56 , your typical speedo would have been reading 60 or 61 at the time that speed was locked.

So speedo error almost always causes you to go slower, not faster.

The primary exception is those vehicles fitted with wheels larger than standard e.g. your Hilux Surf with penis-extension wheels.

So, the speedo error argument is an easy one to throw out, but is almost exclusively moot.

But hey, never let facts stand in the way of a good old whinge.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Fines are still voluntary.

No exceed speed limit, no speeding fine.

Seems too good to be true, but it isn't.

pish posh. I'm an above average rider, with reactions like a cat, vision like a hawk, and a penis like a blue whale. I am ALLOWED* to go quicker than average. With your love of statistics, you will doubtless realise that fully half of any given sample are below average. Ponder that, if you will.


*Jacinda said

[Gremlin]

Mind if I borrow that?

By all means, but not mine to give. Seen it many a time...

So, the speedo error argument is an easy one to throw out, but is almost exclusively moot.

Hardly solid statistics, but I've owned three 4 wheelers. One under-read my speed... so 1/3 for me

For motorcycles, I know the amount of tread on the tyre will affect the reading, ie, brand new vs mostly worn, speed varies by 1-2kph. Tyre pressure can also make a difference, by more than 1-2kph at times, mostly for adventure riders, as we air down in some circumstances. Exact amount varies by bike, tyre and terrain.

[Berries]

The good news is the renewed focus on exceeding the (lower) speed limit on straights and in passing lanes and the increased use of safety cameras will halve the road toll, mark my words.

This site has long needed a sarcasm icon.

[jellywrestler]

In other news, from my years of experience of calibrating enforcement and other speedos, ooerating speed detection equipment (and instructing on that subject), and of comparing various vehicle speedos to GPS, the vast majority of speedos read optimistically.

So, if your typical speedo reads 50, you are typically doing 45/46.

I've had bikes that are reading 70 when I am actually doing 50. Gotta love Italian scooters.

So, if a popo with a radar checks you at 56 , your typical speedo would have been reading 60 or 61 at the time that speed was locked.

So speedo error almost always causes you to go slower, not faster.

The primary exception is those vehicles fitted with wheels larger than standard e.g. your Hilux Surf with penis-extension wheels.

So, the speedo error argument is an easy one to throw out, but is almost exclusively moot.

But hey, never let facts stand in the way of a good old whinge.

my last ticket was for twelve kms over, ie doing 50 on speedo it was 62 on the road, i was in a normal work van, i had the speedo certified as that, repaired and submitted the info in defence, they said i was still excedding the speed limit, by 2 kms, that was the year 2000. I rang the warrant people who told me if they thought a speedo was out they would do a run on the motorway with one they knew was right, yeah fucking right! there are other vehciles where the speedo gearbox does not match the speedo and have been sold like that, how would you know if the warrant says it only has to function??????? Almost always, almost always, yeah right