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[TheDemonLord]

Aren't Pedophiles rebranding themselves as MAPs to join the LGBTQIA+ string of letters in the hope that they can "normalise" it? The original defence was that LGBT were adults and what happens between consenting adults ... blah blah blah, however in recent years the T has shifted to include children and drag queens are in schools etc... so is all this prying open the doors keeping the MAPs off the list of "normal" socially accepted sexual preferences?
Who knows where this is going to lead, thankfully I don't have kids or a Tesla

Essentially the first part is correct.

The essential argument is something like:

"Everything is a social construct and any discrimination based on a social construct is wrong"

So, when the extremely radical left winger sees Pedophilia, they say 'Well, there's definitely discrimination here, and our Moral standards around children are a social Construct therefore this is wrong'

Now - before anyone points it out - plenty of Pedophiles who aren't left wing, not talking about the political leanings of the offenders themselves, I'm talking about the political leanings of the advocacy for Pedophiles. Well, the advocacy that doesn't involve lead traveling at supersonic speeds.

Then there are the actual Pedophiles - who come in two broad groups:

1: The Unfortunate type
2: The Malevolent type

I draw a distinction between the first has a somewhat sympathetic position:

They didn't choose what they are attracted to/aroused by. They can't help who they are. They hate themselves for not being able to stop. They also hate that society stigmatizes them for something they can't help.

And allow me to be charitable, they have a point here - it's no stretch to agree that they didn't choose who/what they are attracted to (who does?) and that to a degree, they can't help that.

So they use the language of Gay Acceptance - Love is Love, Born this way, It's who I am etc. to try and make a moral case for acceptance.

The second group, however, will clothe themselves in the manner of the first - that they are poor downtrodden victims of societies prejudice and they should be left alone to live their lives... Unfortunately the bit they omit is they want to be left alone... with someone's child to abuse.

Both of them are trying to change the language first, so that people think of it not as a crime and something to be punished, but something more akin to a Fetish - something they have no moral responsibility over having - hence Minor Attracted Person - they can't help who they are attracted to and it doesn't have the stigma of Pedophile or Nonce or Groomer, it sounds much more clinical, less vulgar and more scientific - removed from the horror of what they are.... Afterall... it's not Rape, it's just 'attraction'...

From what I've seen - there is still a reasonably strong vanguard in the slightly less radical left against this - which is the concept of Consent - even the most Relationship Anarchy types still believe in Consent and they don't believe a child can fully consent. However one of the issues raised by the Trans debate is at what age a child can consent to medical transition - is it a leap of imagination to suspect that if one can consent to a Medical procedure, one can consent to other things?

I'm not sure we will get there though - it seems the pushing of medical transitioning and the fight against Biological realities is becoming the hill that this issue will die on (hopefully).

[FJRider]

Essentially the first part is correct.

The essential argument is something like:

"Everything is a social construct and any discrimination based on a social construct is wrong"

A comparison could be made with that argument ... to your average common Burglar/thief. The claim is ... they only do it to feed their family.


The old "Poor Me" type claim. Police go to their place and there's a shed load (literally) of stuff ... that's not theirs.


The defining factor is just lack of self control. "I want" therefore becomes "must do".

[mashman]

Happy New Year to you too.

Why they are doing it - combination of things - the radical left-wing advocacy for Pedophilia, the co-opting of the argument for Gay Rights, Something something Grooming something, and trying to change language to change reality.

Why people are angry - turns out people get really conservative, really quickly when they think their Children are being threatened by predators...

Paedophile: a person who is sexually attracted to children.

I don't remember left, or right for that matter, campaigning/arguing to add an illegal letter onto the newish letters that are legal anywhere in Europe. Took the best part of a hundred years (easily longer) for the non-straight community to become noisy enough to be allowed to protest peacefully with their behaviour being allowed to become legal. 'Straight' or not, no one has the right to go after kids (conservative, nah, moral), so there is no reason for the change, unless...

The Laws state Paedophile and the pedo identifies as MAP (coz europe allows it), case dismissed... which is probably why people are angry given that we've all witnessed the technicalities that see rapists walk. Tis a pointless change asked for by paedophile's (who else wants it?)

[TheDemonLord]

Paedophile: a person who is sexually attracted to children.

I don't remember left, or right for that matter, campaigning/arguing to add an illegal letter onto the newish letters that are legal anywhere in Europe.

Oh, I do. Whether it's the founder of NAMBLA, the 1960s German pedo experiment, Alfred Kinsey using a Pedophile for research or the 1977 French Intellectuals calling for the age of consent to be lowered to 13. Including some illustrious names such as Simone de Beauvoir, Jacques Derrida, Jean-Paul Satre and Michael Foucalt.

This is where I invoke David Starkey's observation: "All bad ideas come from France"

Took the best part of a hundred years (easily longer) for the non-straight community to become noisy enough to be allowed to protest peacefully with their behaviour being allowed to become legal. 'Straight' or not, no one has the right to go after kids (conservative, nah, moral), so there is no reason for the change, unless...

Tell that to the Radical Left. The problem is there is an internally, logically consistent argument, founded on the extreme far-left premise around abolition of all social constructs, that advocates for Pedophilia.

The Laws state Paedophile and the pedo identifies as MAP (coz europe allows it), case dismissed... which is probably why people are angry given that we've all witnessed the technicalities that see rapists walk. Tis a pointless change asked for by paedophile's (who else wants it?)

Radical Left wing Intellectuals want it.

because going after Children makes the Glorious Revolution easier.

[TheDemonLord]

A comparison could be made with that argument ... to your average common Burglar/thief. The claim is ... they only do it to feed their family.

The old "Poor Me" type claim. Police go to their place and there's a shed load (literally) of stuff ... that's not theirs.

The defining factor is just lack of self control. "I want" therefore becomes "must do".

At a stretch and being the most charitable I possibly can be - I will hear an argument that goes along the lines of 'I cannot suppress who I am'.

The only acceptable outcome of accepting that argument though is to be removed from society such that you cannot have any access to Children.

Whether that's prison or a bullet, I think I've got a buck either way on that debate....

[mashman]

Oh, I do. Whether it's the founder of NAMBLA, the 1960s German pedo experiment, Alfred Kinsey using a Pedophile for research or the 1977 French Intellectuals calling for the age of consent to be lowered to 13. Including some illustrious names such as Simone de Beauvoir, Jacques Derrida, Jean-Paul Satre and Michael Foucalt.

This is where I invoke David Starkey's observation: "All bad ideas come from France"

Tell that to the Radical Left. The problem is there is an internally, logically consistent argument, founded on the extreme far-left premise around abolition of all social constructs, that advocates for Pedophilia.

Radical Left wing Intellectuals want it.

because going after Children makes the Glorious Revolution easier.

There is no radical left, just paedophiles trying to justify their lack of self control without being penalised for it. The story is ancient, yes, and yet Prince Andrew, Epstein, Saville, Glitter and various other really low profile unconnected unsung unknighted heroes of the people in this world have somehow been getting away with those behaviours since forever it seems. In broad technological daylight too and despite complaints to authorities etc... I guess when you lose the ability to bury it, like the Churches seem to be able to do, then it has to be legalised.

There is no left and right where these little gems comes from, because it's not a left or right issue. It's lack of respect for another being... just as rape is, there is no other argument.

[R650R]

There is no radical left, just paedophiles trying to justify their lack of self control without being penalised for it. The story is ancient, yes, and yet Prince Andrew, Epstein, Saville, Glitter and various other really low profile unconnected unsung unknighted heroes of the people in this world have somehow been getting away with those behaviours since forever it seems. In broad technological daylight too and despite complaints to authorities etc... I guess when you lose the ability to bury it, like the Churches seem to be able to do, then it has to be legalised.

There is no left and right where these little gems comes from, because it's not a left or right issue. It's lack of respect for another being... just as rape is, there is no other argument.

If you see any of the clips of the people promoting this it IS coming from very leftist academics. It’s an extension of stuff they see as the future like Aldlus Huxleys brave new world book where anyone can have a relationship with any person no convent required its for good of the species nonsense etc Although I don’t think he ever intended children to be at risk by his concept as society had stronger values then.
The sickos themselves aren’t smart enough to even contemplate all this, they are just mentally damaged addicts who need one of the two permenant treatment options proposed above by poster Demon Lord.

We’ve all forgotten the cautionary tale we all learnt as kids, bet schools don’t teach it anymore. Beware of the Pied Piper, the stranger who arrives in town singing a different song and leads the villages children away. You couldn’t come up with a better metaphor for what is happening to modern society than that 50 year old folk tale.

[husaberg]

https://politicsandinsights.org/2018...-condemn-them/

The EDL have paedophiles in their ranks but Tommy Robinson evidently doesn’t condemn them.
A senior member of the English Defence Leagure (EDL), a far-right group which has a long history of tirades that conflate Islam with terrorism, paedophilia and sharia – accusing Muslims of paedophilia on a generalised basis – has been sentenced to 17 years for the grooming and sexual abuse of a 10 year old girl.
The man sentenced for child abuse, who is also a member and contributor to several far-right social media groups, has been sentenced at the Old Bailey to 17 years after he sexually abused a schoolgirl.
He assaulted the young girl around 100 times over a five-year period, the court was told.
The court heard how Leigh McMillan, 46, from Milton Keynes, groomed his 10 year old victim with cigarettes and drugs before subjecting her to a “spiral of sexual abuse” during the mid-1990s.
Hope Not Hate also accused fellow EDL members of attempting to cover up McMillan’s abuse.
Another leader of the EDL, who was described as a “political prisoner” after being jailed for violence at a march had already been placed on the sex offenders register for downloading indecent images of children, back in 2010.
The far-right group launched a campaign to free Richard Price, co-ordinator of the West Midlands division of the EDL, after he was jailed for violent behaviour. But Price, 41, had been convicted in June 2010 of making four indecent images of children.Tommy Robinson supported Price after he was convicted of child porn charges.
former English Defence League (EDL) member Peter Gillett has been sentenced to no less than 18 years for a whole catalogue of sex crimes. His victims included two young girls and a boy.
Then there was Paul Whiteside, a senior member of the EDL who took pictures of a 15-year-old girl in the bath and helped her run away with him before being arrested by police. He was given a suspended sentence and 10-year sexual harm prevention order last year
Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn: pleaded guilty of two counts of rape of a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault.
Jack Renshaw – EDL, BNP, National Action: four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.
Bradley Daniel Alford, EDL Supporter: 6 yrs, indecent photos, inciting a child to engage in sexual intercourse.
Luke Atkinson, UKIP & Yorkshire EDL Supporter: jailed 4 yrs, 8 mths, grooming young teenagers
Alan Boulter, EDL Supporter and all round racist: 20 mths, attempted grooming.
John Broomfield, EDL and British Freedom supporter: ‘making indecent images of children’ and inept mosque attack.
Dean Chambers, EDL & BNP supporter: 5 yrs, sexual assault.
Bruce Cordwell, EDL: 3 yrs, 7 mths, grooming.
Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl.
Dale Hewitt, EDL supporter: 10 years for multiple sex offences against teenage girls.
Mark Hogg, EDL: 9 months for sexual assault on a 14 year old.
Elliot Jones, EDL supporter and part of the self-styled ‘pedophile squad’ jailed for, err, pedophilia.
Michael Kinnear, BNP and EDL supporter: jailed for sexually abusing a 7 year old.
Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming.
Mark ‘Archie’ Sleman (above), EDL: kidnap & attempted rape of 10 yr old.
Trevor Vinson, EDL, Britain First & Jayda Fransen supporter: 21 years for repeated sexual abuse and making obscene images of 3 year old girl.
Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs.

[mashman]

If you see any of the clips of the people promoting this it IS coming from very leftist academics. It’s an extension of stuff they see as the future like Aldlus Huxleys brave new world book where anyone can have a relationship with any person no convent required its for good of the species nonsense etc Although I don’t think he ever intended children to be at risk by his concept as society had stronger values then.
The sickos themselves aren’t smart enough to even contemplate all this, they are just mentally damaged addicts who need one of the two permenant treatment options proposed above by poster Demon Lord.

We’ve all forgotten the cautionary tale we all learnt as kids, bet schools don’t teach it anymore. Beware of the Pied Piper, the stranger who arrives in town singing a different song and leads the villages children away. You couldn’t come up with a better metaphor for what is happening to modern society than that 50 year old folk tale.

It isn't a clip of something that might happen. It has happened and is a documented to be happening. No one side can achieve that alone, let alone at a parliament that is meant to represent all other european parliaments, and doubly so without a peep from the people of any of those countries on the subject.

It is a God given/Human right to fuck anything you like any time you like without being impeded. That also goes for murder and so on... Laws and convention are put in place to decide how society is allowed to react to human beings who go about exercising the nastier side of those rights. Yeah, removing that protection for kids is the domain of pedo's, not academics.

The solution is community, but hey.

[TheDemonLord]

There is no radical left, just paedophiles trying to justify their lack of self control without being penalised for it. The story is ancient, yes, and yet Prince Andrew, Epstein, Saville, Glitter and various other really low profile unconnected unsung unknighted heroes of the people in this world have somehow been getting away with those behaviours since forever it seems. In broad technological daylight too and despite complaints to authorities etc... I guess when you lose the ability to bury it, like the Churches seem to be able to do, then it has to be legalised.

There is no left and right where these little gems comes from, because it's not a left or right issue. It's lack of respect for another being... just as rape is, there is no other argument.

Sure, there are some Pedophiles trying to justify their lack of self control.

There are also Left wing academics who believe that everything is a social construct and any discrimination on the basis of a social construct is wrong.

This is not an issue that the Right has philosophically. There are, of course, Right Wing pedophiles - no one is denying that. However, there is no advocacy for Pedophilia being acceptable that comes from any Right wing thought.

I've even given you the names of some of the philosophers who have contributed to this line of reasoning.

[R650R]

It is a God given/Human right to fuck anything you like any time you like without being impeded. That also goes for murder and so on...

The solution is community, but hey.

Actually some fella wrote a book saying that’s not ok, think it was called the Bible.

There was a short version cheat sheet prob for those with short memories called the Ten Commandments

[mashman]

Sure, there are some Pedophiles trying to justify their lack of self control.

There are also Left wing academics who believe that everything is a social construct and any discrimination on the basis of a social construct is wrong.

This is not an issue that the Right has philosophically. There are, of course, Right Wing pedophiles - no one is denying that. However, there is no advocacy for Pedophilia being acceptable that comes from any Right wing thought.

I've even given you the names of some of the philosophers who have contributed to this line of reasoning.

They're trying to legalise it they hold such power in this world.

The social construct is wrong. Wrap your head around it. It's important that you do, coz it isn't a right or left thing.

Saville, Andrew etc... never broadcast it either. So I have to ask, Really? It's not an issue that the right push philosophically publicly under a questionable guise therefore they're happy to leave the left to it unopposed. Awesome bro, awesome.

Free Will and corruption covers it. It's exceptionally well documented. End of story. Which is why no one was asked about it, coz we'd have said fuck off.

[mashman]

Actually some fella wrote a book saying that’s not ok, think it was called the Bible.

There was a short version cheat sheet prob for those with short memories called the Ten Commandments

the ultimate in censored texts. Kind of clashes with Free Will though... which is something else that book said.

[FJRider]

the ultimate in censored texts. Kind of clashes with Free Will though... which is something else that book said.

The activities of some are dictated by the answer to one of two simple questions.

1. Do I have the right to ...

OR

2. Do I have the ability to ...


All they need/want is a YES to either question.

[mashman]

The activities of some are dictated by the answer to one of two simple questions.

1. Do I have the right to ...

OR

2. Do I have the ability to ...


All they need/want is a YES to either question.

Not much in the way of questions when the answers by default are Yes.