Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[rastuscat]

Nobody gives a fuck if you live or die. They REALLY care if you survive and cost the taxpayer money. The only reason "Road to Zero" exists is because no one wants to pay for the road network maintenance. So if you reduce speed trucks fuck it up less.

All the boohoo, wank, wank shit about personal cost of injury and death means nothing. It's about reducing the Governments exposure to injury costs and the cost of maintaining our overly extensive road network.

Possibly in the Treasury.

But I know many people who work in the road safety field because they do give a shit. I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.

But the population could change the road toll for free, overnight, by changing the way they use the roads.

But we won't, because we just sit back and love to point the finger at everyone else.

Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to change.

[James Deuce]

Possibly in the Treasury.

But I know many people who work in the road safety field because they do give a shit. I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.

But the population could change the road toll for free, overnight, by changing the way they use the roads.

But we won't, because we just sit back and love to point the finger at everyone else.

Everyone wants change, but nobody wants to change.

Individuals don't matter to anyone in any form of Government or any Corporation. The reality is the people who inflict harm on other people in society get a leg up. Everyone else is left to rot and cope. The bottom line is the only thing that matters. NPR released a news article today blaming Millennials for the massive population dip that is on its way. They can't afford to have kids because their basic needs are so expensive that it's no longer an option. Most Western societies are well under the 2.1 per family unit required to replace the current population so Governments and Corporations are getting antsy about where the next round of exploitable drones are coming from.

If I died tomorrow no one would give a shit or probably notice. Road to Zero is total nonsense driven by a neo-liberal desire to drive costs down and reduce the mobility of their work "force."

I don't believe that anyone cares about anyone else if they don't have to due to them being immediate family. I've seen no evidence of it.

[rastuscat]

Individuals don't matter to anyone in any form of Government or any Corporation. The reality is the people who inflict harm on other people in society get a leg up. Everyone else is left to rot and cope. The bottom line is the only thing that matters. NPR released a news article today blaming Millennials for the massive population dip that is on its way. They can't afford to have kids because their basic needs are so expensive that it's no longer an option. Most Western societies are well under the 2.1 per family unit required to replace the current population so Governments and Corporations are getting antsy about where the next round of exploitable drones are coming from.

If I died tomorrow no one would give a shit or probably notice. Road to Zero is total nonsense driven by a neo-liberal desire to drive costs down and reduce the mobility of their work "force."

I don't believe that anyone cares about anyone else if they don't have to due to them being immediate family. I've seen no evidence of it.

Believe it or not, there and thousands who work in societal benefit roles, who would be paid more in private service, but who remain in public service as it's how you can have the greatest impact on the public good.

[jellywrestler]

It costs a fortune to fix roads, and asking people to educate themselves is an uphill battle. People think driver education is the answer........and that everyone else needs it, but not them.

so force it on them, why don't we see adverts on tv educating people, showing the right way around a roundabout, the right way to not use your phone when you are not allowed to? All we see is adverts about speed and alcohol.
I did a defensive driving course decades ago and still remember some of the tips they taught us, Why aren't these put into adverts so people can see what to do??????
yes some will not absorb it but many will I'm sure.

[FJRider]

Flattered that you would multi quote me, line by line. Cheers.

What I was referring to with the Nürburgring reference was that we pretty much accept that drivers are pretty poor, and that our roads are pretty poor, but we object to slowing those poor drivers on poor roads down. Seems kind of conflicting.

No, I don't believe the speed limit on that piece of road in Woodend should change. Where did I say that? I just used it to highlight the issue of vehicle speed and it's effect on pedestrians.

Many roads in our District are pedestrian dense, so 50 kmh is really quite fast in those areas. The 50 kmh speed limit is so out of date. For example, in High Street, Rangiora, nobody can do more than 30 anyway, there are raised pedestrian crossings, and restricted lane widths, with cars parking all over. The 50 kmh limit is farcical.

Neighbourhoods are better places to live when traffic goes slower too. Kids are more likely to play in the street, people are more likely to use the public spaces. Roads are for people not just motor vehicles.

And yes, I think the bypass in Woodend is the best solution. It was due to be built until the changing on the government 5 years ago changed the priorities. If the government changes again, it might be back on the cards. It hasn't changed due to political will.

The road running through Woodend with a steady volume of traffic at a steady 50 kmh splits the community. Remember Orewa being the main road north decades ago? It's far nicer place these days, having been bypassed and traffic calmed.

Play the ball, not the man.

I try to avoid the north island. And pretty much disregard what happens there. I had to google Orewa to see where it was. Never heard of the place.

How do you slow down the poor drivers ... without slowing the "Better" drivers .. ?? One statement you made (post 1737 in this thread)

E.g. a car doing 50 kmh hits the a car which pulled out of the side road ahead of them. Causative factor, the car pulling out.

The same car doing 40 kmh would have a better chance of avoiding the car that pulled out, and even if it did hit, it impact would be significantly less.

... So that doesn't mean you think the speed limit should be reduced. Gotcha.

As far as I was aware ... Transit decides speed limits on National Highways. Any word on THEIR take on the Woodend speed limits .. ??

And the density of Woodend Residents is renown ..

As in Rangiora ... if you can't actually travel at the posted speed limit ... why worry about having it at that figure ??

Luxton says he wants Highway one two lanes in each direction. The end result would be similar to the promise of two thousand state homes being built if they (Labour) said they would build if they won the election.

A bypass has positive AND negative results to a town. Less traffic usually means less money getting spent by traffic passing through. There has to be things to encourage the traffic (well some of it) to stop there and spend money.

The ball is in your court.

[pete376403]

Believe it or not, there and thousands who work in societal benefit roles, who would be paid more in private service, but who remain in public service as it's how you can have the greatest impact on the public good.

No, they stay in public service roles cos they know in their heart of hearts they would never get the same money in private sector AND they also know that failing to meet targets in private sector would see them out on their arse tout de suite (and in the public sector there is a really good superannuation scheme to cover their retirement at the end it - when they transfer to the private sector as consultants)

[rastuscat]

No, they stay in public service roles cos they know in their heart of hearts they would never get the same money in private sector AND they also know that failing to meet targets in private sector would see them out on their arse tout de suite (and in the public sector there is a really good superannuation scheme to cover their retirement at the end it - when they transfer to the private sector as consultants)

The skills I have are all around road safety stuff. Mostly motorcycles, but road safety in general.

Most of those roles are in public service areas, local government and national government (with a small n).

It's hardly surprising that I gravitate toward roles in local and national government.

As regards remuneration, the super scheme I am in (Kiwisaver) is available to anyone. Not sure it's why I do what I do.

I've promised my self never to work in a Govt department again, my years of doing a lot to achieve little are gone. I'm getting sufficiently close to retirement that I actually want to achieve things.

[SPman]

Bullshit, if he had been doing .5 kph less for his journey, regardless how far that was, they would never have "met"

.... or .5 more ...

[Ocean1]

I've bounced around a few road safety roles, and stick with this thankless task as I believe in what we are doing.

Did you ever wonder why nobody thanks you for it?

[FJRider]

As for the rest of your post, please try to remember I'm just agreeing with the physics behind the rationale. I'm not getting into an argument over personal responsibility, right or wrong, blame etc (because you;ll most likely find we agree on all of that), I'm simply saying the physics stack up.

I'm glad the "Physics" stack up.


However ... it seems nothing (in regard to this towns speed limit of 50km/hr) has changed.


Perhaps ... the "Physics" on it's own as an argument ... simply isn't as important as you two seem to think it is.

As was stated ... a by-pass was/is planned. Problem solved ... maybe.


Until then ... we wait.


Has the plans and/or groundwork started yet .. ?? ... I haven't been up that way for a while.

[Ascott]

.... or .5 more ...

Yes exactly, I unfortunately, realised I had not included that too late, but same thing physics, be fucked, if there is nothing to hit it won't happen!

[FJRider]

Did you ever wonder why nobody thanks you for it?

Nobody likes being told they're doing it wrong. Even if their life might depend on it some day.


The famous last words ... "I'm a good rider ... "

[rastuscat]

I'm glad the "Physics" stack up.


However ... it seems nothing (in regard to this towns speed limit of 50km/hr) has changed.


Perhaps ... the "Physics" on it's own as an argument ... simply isn't as important as you two seem to think it is.

As was stated ... a by-pass was/is planned. Problem solved ... maybe.


Until then ... we wait.


Has the plans and/or groundwork started yet .. ?? ... I haven't been up that way for a while.

No. Plans get drawn, the talk gets talked, everyone agrees it's a good idea. It's been talked about for 20 years or more.

But until the money is made available, nothing happens. The people get scratchy, the local (National) MP runs petitions, agencies get complaints.

But until priorities change, possibly with a change of government, the status quo remains.

[FJRider]

... But until priorities change, possibly with a change of government, the status quo remains.

I had a look on Google maps of the area. It looks like somebody built a Golf Course in the middle of the "better" bypass route.

Yep ... priorities ...

[onearmedbandit]

Perhaps ... the "Physics" on it's own as an argument ... simply isn't as important as you two seem to think it is.

Show me where I stated that physics on its own is ah argument for dropping the speed limit. Once again you make far too many assumptions. Read my posts again, you’ll see I state I’m opposed to dropping speed limits.