Police getting tougher on speed tolerance

[rastuscat]

I had a look on Google maps of the area. It looks like somebody built a Golf Course in the middle of the "better" bypass route.

Yep ... priorities ...

That would be the Pegasus Golf Course. All part of the master plan.

[neels]

That would be the Pegasus Golf Course. All part of the master plan.

Makes sense that the bypass would start after Pegasus, so the residents thereof can also avoid having to drag their arses all the way through Woodend to get to the city.

It would almost be like a proper motorway all the way to Christchurch when built.



Meanwhile, demand exceeds supply for signage 'changing' speed limits in Auckland, although I reckon I can correctly guess the percentage of 'changes' that are an increase....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300...rivers-stumped

As part of the rollout of the programme, Auckland Transport proposed new permanent speed limits on about 1646 roads around Tāmaki Makaurau.

[FJRider]

Show me where I stated that physics on its own is ah argument for dropping the speed limit. Once again you make far too many assumptions. Read my posts again, you’ll see I state I’m opposed to dropping speed limits.

YOU used it as a logical argumentative reason why the speed limit in that area should be lowered.


Why else would you have stated it ... ??


But ... So ... you do not believe Physics IS a valid argument on it's own in this case.



Gotcha ...

[onearmedbandit]

YOU used it as a logical argumentative reason why the speed limit in that area should be lowered.


Why else would you have stated it ... ??


But ... So ... you do not believe Physics IS a valid argument on it's own in this case.



Gotcha ...

Yeah you really got me…

[pete376403]

Meanwhile, demand exceeds supply for signage 'changing' speed limits in Auckland, although I reckon I can correctly guess the percentage of 'changes' that are an increase....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300...rivers-stumped

If the speed limit signs are all masked, would that be a valid challenge to a speeding ticket ? How can you exceed the posted limit if the limit is not posted?

[Moi]

If the speed limit signs are all masked, would that be a valid challenge to a speeding ticket ? How can you exceed the posted limit if the limit is not posted?

The point that is being left out of some 'reporting' is that only the new signs are masked, the existing signs are still visible and displaying a speed limit...

As can be seen in this report: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...overed-up.html

[rambaldi]

The point that is being left out of some 'reporting' is that only the new signs are masked, the existing signs are still visible and displaying a speed limit...

As can be seen in this report: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-z...overed-up.html

I have driven through that area relatively recently. As some one only passingly familiar with the area it was a right mess and extends for fucking yonks. The old signs might still be out, but it really didn't feel like that given how many signs I saw covered up. I guess with the speed change they are putting many more in, to keep people reminded that their previous default speeds are no longer appropriate. There were so many covered over signs, we actually initially thought it was a protest against the changed speeds as they were just fuckin everywhere.

[Reckless]

I live in this area and it is damn confusing especially where there are speed cameras.
I personally think it's getting to the point of stupid and most will ignore the new signs especially on the main arterials around here.
I can see people passing on the left to get past the guy doing the new limit in the right lane that used to be 80k.
Like that 90k "safer speed zone" to the Coromandel where even granny cruises at 100k and there is a line of cars and trucks stuck behind the one car doing 90k because of all the new double yellow lines. Plus everyone is too scared to pass on the passing lanes because that's where Mr 90k goes a bit faster and where the revenue collectors gather.

I totally agree with slowing people down around country schools etc but this blanket dumbing down is bloody stupid. While ignoring cellphones, distraction, skills and the very sad state of the roads.
Had a race mate that possibly wrote his ZX14 off on a pothole last weekend 10-15k bike down the toilet No he didn't crash the pothole broke the bike.
I think we are well past the point where "drive to the conditions" (even for Mr 90k) is no longer an excuse to hide behind the roads are so bad.
I reckon the insurance companies should take a case like Pauls ZX14 above and set a legal president (for future cases) and make NZTA pay.

[MarkH]

I agree with both sides: Slowing traffic will make any accidents less severe and that will mean less deaths. But lowering the speed limit for many tens of kilometres (Nelson to Blenheim, Taupo to Napier, North of Auckland, etc) makes a significant difference to travel times which affects people that need to get places to get things done.
We could have a 25kph speed limit on every road in NZ and lower the road toll to near zero, but we have to consider the practicalities - we will always have to compromise between safety and other practicalities.

In Hamilton I like that there are many shared paths and I especially like the various underpasses for busy roads - I suspect that these have saved quite a few lives. It is good to see a solution where the traffic can move reasonably fast while the pedestrians and cyclists are not being killed. Just lowering the speed limits all over the place seems like such a cop-out where they go with the crudest and cheapest method to reduce risk. Lowering speed limits can also increase risk in some ways, like having more complacent pedestrians which makes them more vulnerable to drivers not obeying the lower limits.

[pete376403]

Lower speed limits will require massive increase in enforcement - either more police and / or more speed cameras - otherwise who is going to take any notice (any more than they do now)

[jellywrestler]

Slowing traffic will make any accidents less severe and that will mean less deaths. But lowering the speed limit for many tens of kilometres (Nelson to Blenheim, Taupo to Napier, North of Auckland, etc) makes a significant difference to travel times which affects people that need to get places to get things done.
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so head on now goes from a theoretical 200km's and hour to 180 km's an hour, Yeah that sounds like it's the answer.
Travel times won't be significantly altered in reality much at all, but concentration levels will fall in many cases increasing accidents as people are driving around in a daze. The nelson to blenheim one is a fuck up, as trucks have in recent years.decades had a 90 limit now you cannot get past one, driving watching a truck is hypnotic, at least when you could pass them you could see off into the distance and see shit earlier and react.
I've done a lot of miles recently and find myself spending too much time checking my speedo cause of all of the fluctuating limits.

[Reckless]

Further to Spydas comment you also don't get to see that damn pothole coming at you from under the truck till it stuffs your rim the tyre blows and you have try and get safely stopped.

Talking about safety and inattention to the road.
Not so much a bikers as we generally pic our line in advance and watch the tarmac but even we can get caught with this one.
I wonder if anyone has done a calculation on how long you take your eyes off where you should be looking to watch that pothole go under your wheel track to avoid it.
Instead of maintaining your view up the road where it should be. There must be a huge blank in the time when Joe Bloggs car driver should be looking for oncoming Issues and is ensuring he/she doesn't wreck the car in the crater trying to be avoided.

[roogazza]

Further to Spydas comment you also don't get to see that damn pothole coming at you from under the truck till it stuffs your rim the tyre blows and you have try and get safely stopped

Yes, Reckless, one of my pet hates,not being able to see the road ahead !!!!!

I make it a point to pass evrything in front, I like a clear road !
(hey, I've survived 58 years of riding by using my rules ! Ain't stopping now !!! )

[FJRider]

If the speed limit signs are all masked, would that be a valid challenge to a speeding ticket ? How can you exceed the posted limit if the limit is not posted?

Usually "Masked" speed limit signs mean that a different (often Temporary) speed limit is in place.


If you miss that temporary speed limit change ... you have no "Valid" challenge.

[rastuscat]

Usually "Masked" speed limit signs mean that a different (often Temporary) speed limit is in place.


If you miss that temporary speed limit change ... you have no "Valid" challenge.

Ain't it funny that people almost always see the signs that allow them to go faster, but often fail to see the ones that require them to go slower.