MotoGP 2023

[onearmedbandit]

Because he's been doing it for years, I remember them talking about him not leaving a margin on brakes for riders in front back in 2013. Basically he brakes in exactly the same spot regardless of traffic.

If that were the case then surely we would see him taking out riders in nearly every race, heck every time he's in traffic. As he's not then he must, for the most part, be braking in accordance with others around him? So while he's aggressive without a doubt, I saw that incident as a rider mistake, but not the act of a fuckwit. Just my opinion of course, worth nothing to no one but me.

[jellywrestler]

If that were the case then surely we would see him taking out riders in nearly every race, heck every time he's in traffic. As he's not then he must, for the most part, be braking in accordance with others around him? So while he's aggressive without a doubt, I saw that incident as a rider mistake, but not the act of a fuckwit. Just my opinion of course, worth nothing to no one but me.

dorna paid him to do it, having some shit like this go down at the first meeting will ensure many more moto gp season tickets are sold for the coverage. It's a marketing ploy, nothing more, nothing less.

[Reckless]

Interestng discussion

Doesn't look like he will have to serve it

Off Moto GP site
Injured Marquez receives sanction after Portimao incident
MotoGP™ have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Spaniard, as he receives medical treatment for a sustained right-hand injury
Following the crash during Sunday's race at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal, Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) has been awarded a Double Long Lap Penalty which he will take at the next round of the MotoGP™ calendar, provided he is fit to ride.
M. Marquez wipes out Oliveira in massive crash 26/03/2023
The home hero never saw it coming as the HRC rider came from behind after clipping Jorge Martin in Portugal
The crash saw the eight-time World Champion massively out-brake himself in the early stages of the race, pushing Jorge Martin (Prima Pramac Racing) wide and crashing into Miguel Oliveira (CryptoDATA RNF MotoGP™ Team). The incident ended with Martin losing several positions, whilst Marquez and Oliveira both crashed out of the race.
"It was impossible for Marc to avoid the crash" - Puig 26/03/2023
Confirming that Marquez picked up an injury, the HRC Team Manager discussed the crash and expressed regret at how things unfolded
The FIM MotoGP™ stewards have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina, due to what has been deemed as irresponsible riding, making the incident an infringement of Article 1.21.2 of the FIM World Championship Grand Prix Regulations.

Following the incident, both riders received medical attention. The Repsol Honda rider will receive an examination for the possibility of a fracture to the first metacarpal bone in his right hand. Whilst Miguel Oliveira had suffered from a contusion in his right leg.

The race investigation
https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-...-argentine-gp/
There is going to be hell to pay if the Officials have stuffed up the wording on the penalty.

Internet is going wild LOL

[onearmedbandit]

Interestng discussion

Doesn't look like he will have to serve it

Off Moto GP site
[I]Injured Marquez receives sanction after Portimao incident
MotoGP™ have imposed a Double Long Lap Penalty for the Spaniard, as he receives medical treatment for a sustained right-hand injury
Following the crash during Sunday's race at the Grande Prémio TISSOT de Portugal, Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) has been awarded a Double Long Lap Penalty which he will take at the next round of the MotoGP™ calendar, provided he is fit to ride.

Wouldn't that bit there mean he has to serve it at the next race he is fit to ride in?

[onearmedbandit]

dorna paid him to do it, having some shit like this go down at the first meeting will ensure many more moto gp season tickets are sold for the coverage. It's a marketing ploy, nothing more, nothing less.

That's what I was going with but DORNA are watching everywhere so I didn't want to be the guy that spoke first.

[Reckless]

Wouldn't that bit there mean he has to serve it at the next race he is fit to ride in?

Yes the wording is contradictory stating that then naming a specific race. As Apposed the the usual wording “for the next Grand Prix event”. (should be) "the riders" next Grand Prix event.

This reply from the race supposedly confirmed by Dorna by The Race article.
The Race sought clarification from the MotoGP organisers and had it confirmed that the letter of the law states that the sanction only applies to the Argentina race.

MM might just not race or maybe race injured (if he can get through medical checks) then pull in just to clear the penalty?

Twists and turns of big money racing. MM might not get a choice Honda/Puig may even decide for him. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

Edit: Fresh news in and we have our answer

FIM Stewards: Marquez' penalty applicable for his next race
The FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel have confirmed Marc Marquez will serve double Long Lap Penalty at his next Grand Prix
Tags MotoGP, 2023, Marc Marquez
The FIM MotoGP™ Stewards Panel have confirmed that after it was announced Marc Marquez (Repsol Honda Team) would miss the upcoming Gran Premio Michelin® de la República Argentina through injury, his double Long Lap Penalty will be applicable for Round 3 at the Red Bull Grand Prix of The Americas.

[iYRe]

Autosport reported:

However, on Tuesday the FIM stewards issued a clarification stating Marquez would now serve the penalty at the next round he competes in “with a view to comply with the underlying intention taken” by the punishment.

[F5 Dave]

Only watched races last night, so been avoiding this thread, as I do just post every race. I loved the sprint race. Hold on? I was against it? Hmm. Next race was great too.

Common factor. The track promotes fantastic racing. Maybe chosen for that reason as the first.

Let's see a few more. I do think it cheapens the GP race a bit. But where we are at technically the racing is in a difficult position.

If they could ban all shape shifting and limit aero it would be less likely to be a procession at the front. But they can't currently. And the front tyre makes the racing a bit duller.

Maybe a 2 race sprint until the above is solved would be best even though it is a bit sacrilegious.?

[F5 Dave]

Wadding into the MM debate. . Now hold your laughing for a minute. . . much of my racing has been done riding underpowered tiny motorcycles on go kart tracks . Usually against bikes 2-3 × the capacity. Oh Dave. Please tell me you aren't trying to compare yourself to Marquez. No I'm not. I'm better looking.

But I do know the point of desperation of having to over-ride to get past a fast bike doing slower lap times than you. You have to pass them where its barely possible, ideally pulling out something beautiful. Like that inspired pass in the sprint race. That was MM at his best.

But I did think watching that crash in Sunday race: 'Oh you cretin, that was never going to work! '

The different angles did make it look like a different accident (maybe accident is the wrong word). At silly speed things happen real quick. Racers will know when you are that close bad stuff can happen. But consider, these guys are going 2× faster (4× in my case) . It's easy to armchair what they could or couldn't do.

'Course I would have put it into a slide, avoided them all, made the pass and overrode the anti wheelie control through the gears so I looked cool to the Portuguese chicks.

So is he still a dick? Well clearly.
Is he still a God? Also yes.

[pritch]

Apparently the stewards have reviewed their decision and changed MM's penalty to his next race. Honda have now appealed the change. David Emmett says this should lead to the stewards being more careful with their words and more consistent.

[iYRe]

According to Crash.net this morning, its still next race he rides in, not Argentina.. I am sure honda would like it to be Argentina though lol

[Metastable]

MM has a habit of initiating contact….. even going back to beating a dead horse with Rossi at Sepang…. MM initiated the contact instead of braking for the block pass….. and there have been numerous times he has taken folks out of the race.

That’s neither here nor there in my books. What bugs me is if it were Hopkins, Stoner, Hayden, Miller, Binder, Nakagami, Oliviera….. etc there would be harsher penalties.

However the grid is almost dominated my Spaniards, Italians and French riders. Remember FIM is originally French, Dorna is Spanish and these days Ducati handles a long stick and many of the Italian riders ride for Ducati.

Personally I have nothing against Latin Europeans as I am one myself… well my grandparents anyway. However, the double standard/wrong passport bit sucks.

[iYRe]

That’s neither here nor there in my books. What bugs me is if it were Hopkins, Stoner, Hayden, Miller, Binder, Nakagami, Oliviera….. etc there would be harsher penalties.

FWIW, the thursday before the race the riders were told: first incident: long lap penalties, second incident: Pit lane start, and third, I cant remember exactly but I think it was a race ban

They couldnt give a harder penalty, although MM said he would accept a harsher penalty if they gave it. Pete from Crash said MM was clearly affected by what happened at the press conference and that seemed quite unusual for him.
I have a feeling that the bike is causing him to second guess his "mojo" and that is dangerous AF.

Also, JM was apparently riding very cautiously because he had never done that many laps and had grip at the end, AM had ridden to hard and had no grip, and Zarco had nursed his tires to the point he could just go maxed out for those last couple of laps. Lot of them will be rethinking their strategy I think.

[Metastable]

FWIW, the thursday before the race the riders were told: first incident: long lap penalties, second incident: Pit lane start, and third, I cant remember exactly but I think it was a race ban.

Do you know if this is cumulative over the season, or does it reset after some time?

[iYRe]

Do you know if this is cumulative over the season, or does it reset after some time?

I feel like it is all season, but I dont know for sure.