Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[sugilite:Me]

Take care, till then.

Fuck it mate, the gop have finally done it, they found a dem voter that has been proven to have voted 10,000 times. Fuck.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/21/p...ote/index.html

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Okay then - I've mentioned this in other threads and so I'll mention it again here - when it comes to Trump, you are very much on the 'There's no smoke without fire' train, you believe he's a criminal (or at least has committed criminal acts) and despite there being no successful prosecution, you still believe that.

Fine, you do you.

Yet, when I hold a position that is equally unproven, somehow I'm ridiculous?

Well, yes you are being ridiculous. Trump has never had to face accountability in his life, or near enough to never. His wealth, power and influence has shielded him, I'm sure from times even before daddy got him out of the draft. This week the civil rape trial starts. A man that makes statements you can and should listen to - it is evident to myself that a man that makes such utterances is definitely one that would force himself on a woman.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/u...ranscript.html
You can wait for a court of law if you wish, I don't need too. The pedigree of the man can easily be found in his own words. (over so many, many, many recordings, videos and self made tweets)
With the New York case, Georgia and the documents one, I'm sure you will get the convictions you require.

When I looked at some of the voting patterns in the US, going back ~150 years, there are a number of things 'odd' about the 2020 election. Odd doesn't 'prove' fraud, but that is the Smoke that 70% think means there is fire.

Oh, so smoke only = fire for your points, thanks for clearing that up.
You go on about this election having anomalies - ones I'm sure would have been caused by having the most divisive, polarizing president in history, and the election being held during a pandemic. It is hardly a mystery why things looked different.

The only thing I have got to take issue with is Mail-in Voting is not proven to be reliable. After the 2000 election Florida and Ohio (IIRC) both implemented a raft of legislation to tighten up some of the issues with Mail-in Voting and since those changes, in those states it is reliable.

Other states that did not have a history of large scale mail-in voting did not have those methods applied to their mail-in voting process. Does this prove fraud? No. But again, it's suspicious.

Despite there being no evidence of any widespread fraud with mail in voting, you are suspicious huh? I'm sure Florida and Ohio changing the laws had nothing to do with just making it harder for dem voters who traditionally vote by mail in larger numbers to vote eh

All this is tiny, itsibitsie potatoes when compared to the us conservative party spreading a grotesque lie to the point of corrupting their followers views and believe that a free and fair election did not happen in 2020. They have lost faith in the underpinnings of democracy - and AGAIN, I point out, you appear to be all good with that. I still consider you to be a traitor to democracy and a disgrace to the true conservative movement. (I'm not trolling here)

Which Majority? There's an image that I'm 99% sure you've seen that shows the number of red counties vs number of blue counties in the US - and almost the entirety of the US, by area, is deeply conservative.

Pretty maps do not equal math sport. I'm not even going to say nice try on this one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=3ae665817933

It's only the extremely densely populated cities that give the Democrats any victories. Granted, that numerically, they tend to outweigh the Republicans in terms of numbers - but I'm not sure you can so easily say it's flawed.

Them disney lawyers be coming for you. Ahem - popular vote win and loses below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ar_vote_margin

'The Dems have been very smart' - so it's naked Politicing then and nothing to do with Justice, thanks for the confirmation

Mate, you going to need a new pair of running shoes for all these premature victory laps you keep running.
For years the us pollies had their snouts in the trough and come election time they all start pointing at the other side accusing them of crimes, that they never ever then act upon any further. It is just wink, wink, nudge nudge, then straight back to putting their snouts back into the trough. Even trump with his famous locker her up chants. Did he ever take it further?
My opinion is yes, the dem hierarchy DO have influence what charges and when they get laid. I do not know how much influence, but I very much assume they do have at least some. It is not just Trump I want to see face accountability, but the whole dam mother fucking load of those pollies. I welcome the gop to bring charges on shonky dems doings as well. Anything that brings pollies to justice, I'm all for.

It was proven to be a figment of the Dem's imagination. Nothing more, nothing less. At best, I'd say Mueller was an honest man who was himself deceived.

24 hours? The Twitter ban ran for weeks alone - and it wasn't just Twitter, it was FB, YT etc.

And again - it doesn't change the fact that there was Cabal-like behavior, where they admitted to 'Fortifying' the election. We have the source code that the level playing field was absolutely tipped in one direction, only in the favor of the Democrats. If you think that this makes it a fair and free election, then I'd like you to take every bit of rhetorhic you hurled at me over 'destroying Democracy' and read it aloud for yourself.

You may want to educate yourself. Watch the clip below to at least halfway through until the youtube presenter turns up (I cannot stand this one, just cannot be arsed looking for the same clip in another video).
Or are you balls deep on the rudy fruitcake train?

Now, sure if you want to say 'look at what the RWNJs were posting' sure, then I get to say 'Look at what the Gender Activists were posting' - they weren't banned... Until Elon came along.

Were the gender activists posting misleading information to alter an election result? I did not realize.

As for Marxism - The problem is - you've read the work and you know I'm right on this - the ideologies that are currently in vogue amongst the Left all trace their roots back to the Frankfurt School, Gramscii and Marx.

I'll grant you that some of the people parroting these ideas probably don't know the source of the ideas or what the intended goal of them is - but that is not my concern. They are functionally no different than someone who does know the source and does have that as the intended goal - and so by that metric I damn both of them with the same critique.

Nice absolutism there mate,
Whilst living in Arkansas, and traveling through and staying in many other states, marxism, true marxism will not happen. Sure, plenty of wannabees, but given a true taste of what it looks like in it's totality, the wannabees would go running back to mummies skirts.
The fear that pours out of every bit of your being when it comes to marxism constitutes a form of mental disorder in my opinion.

Cause it doesn't work.

I'm being serious here. There is no evidence economically that increasing the Mininmum Wage helps poverty in the Long run. Now, I'll grant you that for a few short months, it will 'seem' to help - but Poverty is not a short-term problem for those who are most affective, so why would a short term 'fix' make any difference?

I'm fairly sure you would find zero support from a single lowly paid american for your idealist premise.

I'll give you one example here - do you know what the single biggest predictor is for long term success is? It's a two-parent (Mother and Father) household. I looked in his Poverty plan - I didn't see anything in there to address the rate of Divorce or the rate of single motherhood.

All I see is the same number of failed ideas that are based on the same flawed economic theories that underpin modern Leftism.

That in-of-itself wouldn't be that bad if those policy ideas were benign, but I put it to you that many of them over time compound the problem and make it worse. I often get accused of callousness - but what is more callous? Saying no in the short-term, so that the long-term prospects are better or saying yes in the short-term and damning the person in the long run.

You are correct, that certainly does need addressing, is there a plan from the right to address this issue? Whilst you go poking around in right wing policy pledges and so on, is there a gop replacement healthcare plan to replace obamacare yet?

Okay then - tell you what, let's put aside the second amendment for a moment - I'm going to cherry pick two things here:

"The wrong people with guns is bad" and "In the group of response able peers you were with yes, I get that."

Simple question: How do you make sure only the reasonable people and not the wrong people have them?

A good start would be a proper gun licensing system similar to what we have here in nz, complete with referees, basic mental health tests and checks. Minimum age for certain gun types etc. Will it work 100%? If course not, but it would go some way to lower the gun violence there.

Greedy, Marxist fucks. And it wasn't a Travesty, it was an inevitability.

Those people deserve their voices to be heard. It absolutely was and is a travesty.

The problem for you is that if America is as bad as you say it is - why are Asians, Indians and first generation Immigrants crushing the White Population? Why are the systemic barriers that supposedly uphold 'whiteness' not hold back those groups? That's when they (The marxists) come up with terms like 'White adjacent' and other such nonsense.

There is a painful truth here - that if you tell a group that they are systematically oppressed and that no matter how hard they try, they'll never succeed - guess what? They'll believe it. That belief will then colour (pun intended) every interaction of theirs. Just like you accused me of seeing Marxism everywhere (although in my case, I have the academic citations to back it up) they will see Racism everywhere and then will act in accordance to that belief.

This is not anything new either - Sun Tzu even said it:

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

If you want to improve Race relations, first and foremost - you have to stop with the victim narrative even if there is some historic truth in that matter - because someone who believes they can succeed will find a way to.

There's other things as well - like the massive rate of Fatherlessness in the Black Community, Gangs and crime - but without that belief - you could fix everything else and still be screwed.

In Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabamma and Georgia, I witnessed many black towns that had houses barely standing, chronic poverty and so on. Kids born into this will find it hard to escape as they largely will have been swallowed by gangs etc before they are even teens. And that is just that issue they face.

I see you have craftily compared Asians, Indians and other first generations to whites this time.
You come across at times as a deep thinker, and other times the exact opposite. The answer to your question can be summed up in one word - they are highly motivated to succeed to the point of moving to another country to achieve their goals. My god man, do you even think about these things before posting?

Tip the scales the other way? In regards to Racial Justice? How has that worked out in the past? In a pile of bloody corpses as far as the eye can see. CRT has but one goal in mind, it's not Racial Justice - just like BLM was a Trojan horse for Greedy Fucks (your words, mind) CRT is a trojan horse for a revolution - you've even read the citations, yet still don't believe it.

I don't doubt your personal experience in terms of what you saw - I'm saying that the charge of 'Racism' required an interrogation of both the act and the mindset of the person doing it - to use the legal term: Mens rea - the guilty mind.

I heard an interaction recently between 2 people "Are you Indian?", "No, I'm not", "But your skin is Indian", "I'm not from india", "Where did you come from?", "I'm from New Zealand"

Sounds Racist as fuck, right? Now, let's re-read that with some Context. That was from a child, talking to a Nurse in hospital who had been learning about India in School. There was not a drop of racism, only curiosity and a child's clumsiness of speech.

Of course, not everyone is a Child - the point being that if you are inferring mindset purely on action - I'm going to call you up on it.

I read what the original authors of CRT say it is about, I read what the right wing attempt to portray it as in order to create the chicken little effect, and you are absolutely being chicken little. CRT in it's pure form is no trojan horse. So they have marxists ideas and leanings, big deal. CRT it self is a path to having an adjustment on laws that have not changed since slavery days and encourage discussing racism baked into laws. It is not about addressing individual racist people as the right is sooooooooooooooooooooooo desperately trying to make out.
The blindness to it is breathtaking, such as the queues I saw for a white teller over no queue for a black teller at the wallmart I visited near daily, I saw that so, so many times. The mural depicting slaves working in cotton fields at the local post office. If you were to interview these white people, they would not consider themselves racist at all. For the most part they are completely oblivious to their baked in prejudice. Some elements of CRT taught in schools could help address that. (I can feel R650's blood boiling from here)

That and the 'research' on implicit bias is completely bunk, to the point that the Authors of the research asked that it stopped be used in the manner that it was.

If you see no light between what I write and a White Supremecist - that's your call, I doubt you truly mean that, because I doubt you'd broke any words with a white supremecist - however, depending on how bored I get today, I may decide to test this theory - I'm sure I could cut out a few snippets of CRT texts and replace the word White with Black and see if you can tell the difference

I encourage you to do this - but I would stipulate you use only CRT writings as written by the original authors of it. Go on, give it a go and lets see how you get on?

As a general rule, I disagree - I'm trying to think of an issue that wokeness has highlighted that needed to be addressed and requires Wokeness to be addressed. Can't think of one. Closest would be MeToo - but even that went too far.

Actually, there is hundreds of issues that more awareness would be good to have, single use plastics, mining practices (I'm doing my part there), health care issues. Now days anything even mildly inconvenient to ones lifestyle being bought up gets you an avalanche of woke accusations being leveled against you. A bit of balance would be nice.

So, you're Transphobic then....

Do you think maybe there's some connection here - like the Dems not backing off and saying 'You know what? This is too far.'? Like maybe if they stopping pushing it, then the conservative media would find something else to be annoyed about?


If it has gone to far, why do you criticize me and the right for pushing back? That's the only way to get back to Balance. Problem is, you know, as well as I do - that the moment you push back, you are in the same camp as me and you know you'll cop the same flak that I do, despite not agreeing with me on many subjects.

'Or otherwise' And that my Dear Sugi is part of the problem.

Pushing back is fine, absolutely fine. An avalanche of hate as evidenced by 20+ percent of fox news articles in one day is not acceptable. My god, they are still posting daily articles about the bud light saga
But the right is being so hypocritical about it all. As evidenced by one of their hero past presidents actually performing in at least two drag shows for the military and doing it in front of children no less. Yes, you read that right, a revered republican president performed in drag shows

The conversation I see on Climate Change from the Left (which is why they get the label of Marxism) goes something like this:

"Capitalism is evil, it's ruining the environment, therefore we need to get rid of it and the only way to do that is to give all the power and money to the Government"

Normally with the first part conveniently omitted.

Now, if it's 'Or Otherwise' - then that is a very different set of problems to solve than if it's man-made. I've mentioned elsewhere I have an old book from the 90s about Energy and it's a lovely book and in it, it makes all sorts of energy predictions - none of them have come true. And these predictions are very milk-toast, not like the doomerism of the Climate mob today. I can go back 70 odd years to the 1950s and give you a laundry list of failed climate scares.

So when the Government says 'You need to change your entire lifestyle because Climate (oh and BTW we'll need to take some of your rights, money and freedom too)' - yeah, to say I'm skeptical would be a massive understatement. To say that I'm outright hostile when I see the same philosophers cited in the theory that drives it is probably more accurate.

Here is the thing though - I'm not opposed to 'Green' Technologies - My thoughts, to put them as succinctly as I can "When they are good enough, they will be able to compete on their own merits, without Government fiat".

That and there's a bit of 'You say I need to drive less, to save the planet, but you need to fly your private jet'. I see the claims as nothing more than 'Do as we say, not as I do'

My take on it is nature does not care one shit about the politics of climate change. We need to work together, the far left are being wankers about it, so are the far right. The two parties better get their shit sorted out, and fast.

The Dems are in a tough spot - Wokeness isn't popular, but it is what drives the Activist base. You could take one look at UK Politics to see this - you have Labour being wildly unelectable under Jeremy Corbyn and then Sir Keir Stamer trying to convince the party that it's not the party of Corbyn, Stamer doesn't have the minerals to do what Blair did in the 90s and oust all the Communists (although ironically, Blair turned out to be awful, but for different reasons). Then you've got the Tories who keep forgetting that they aren't meant to be Labour.

What the Left wing needs - and perhaps even more for the Right wing, is a new Left wing ideology that doesn't have it's roots in Marxism. Think like the 1980s left wing politics - that was heavily libertarian and (due to the Cold War) was still wary of Marxist ideas.

A new form of Left Wing Politics would naturally curb the excesses of the Right (as above - they Right keep pushing because the Left keep pushing - and IMO the Left drew first blood(

Sure, ok - the right needs to drop the daftest maga morons off too.

Ron

Now find me the gop version of that nice articulate dem congressman. Are there any?

[TheDemonLord]

Well, yes you are being ridiculous. Trump has never had to face accountability in his life, or near enough to never. His wealth, power and influence has shielded him, I'm sure from times even before daddy got him out of the draft. This week the civil rape trial starts. A man that makes statements you can and should listen to - it is evident to myself that a man that makes such utterances is definitely one that would force himself on a woman.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/u...ranscript.html
You can wait for a court of law if you wish, I don't need too. The pedigree of the man can easily be found in his own words. (over so many, many, many recordings, videos and self made tweets)
With the New York case, Georgia and the documents one, I'm sure you will get the convictions you require.

That's nice and all - but if I hold you and your opinion on Trump to the same standard you hold me and my opinion on a certain election - there's a disconnect.

Despite both being an opinion, sincerely held, where the court outcomes do not backup said opinion.

All I'm saying is if you want to say 'But Trump is a Criminal', then by the same evidenciary basis, you can't say 'The Election was secure'. I'm just asking you to pick one.

Oh, so smoke only = fire for your points, thanks for clearing that up.
You go on about this election having anomalies - ones I'm sure would have been caused by having the most divisive, polarizing president in history, and the election being held during a pandemic. It is hardly a mystery why things looked different.

See above about Smoke and Fire.

Polarizing may be a factor - but I can think of other polarizing elections too. And 150 years or so of patterns isn't something you can just hand-waive away.

Despite there being no evidence of any widespread fraud with mail in voting, you are suspicious huh? I'm sure Florida and Ohio changing the laws had nothing to do with just making it harder for dem voters who traditionally vote by mail in larger numbers to vote eh

You got a source for that last part? I've not been able to find some hard numbers as to the partisan split for Mail in Voters - so I'm not sure about that.

The Florida and Ohio law changes were more about the fact that the Bush/Gore election had to go all the way to the supreme court. Again, these states have a long history of larger than average Mail in voting, so it makes sense that they would be particularly affected by any issues.

I agree there is no direct evidence, but when you have states that have massive changes in how they run their elections, which corresponds with statistically significant changes in voting patters - it's suspicious.

Like it or not, that suspicion is both reasonable and well-founded.

All this is tiny, itsibitsie potatoes when compared to the us conservative party spreading a grotesque lie to the point of corrupting their followers views and believe that a free and fair election did not happen in 2020. They have lost faith in the underpinnings of democracy - and AGAIN, I point out, you appear to be all good with that. I still consider you to be a traitor to democracy and a disgrace to the true conservative movement. (I'm not trolling here)

Perhaps if the Democrats had been super squeeky clean during Trump's presidency and not subjected us to 4 years of made up accusations, not rigged internet discourse and not forced mass-mail in voting - then perhaps you might have a point.

Pretty maps do not equal math sport. I'm not even going to say nice try on this one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisond...h=3ae665817933

An interesting article. I note some interesting segments - like claiming a majority support when the percentage of actual support is in the 40% range - but never-the-less, I'll take the stats as holy writ.

Here's my take - most people accept that Abortion is a necessary Evil. I'm very much in that camp, I'm pro-choice for various reasons.

That said, Roe represented bad law. It read into the constitution something that was never intended using some very impressive legal wrangling. Just so you do think this is a Republican talking - My view on Roe is almost functionally identical to that of Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Bad law should always be repealed.

What I see - is that the Activist wing of the Democrats are trying to glorify and normalize Abortion. If I'm being charitable, it's because someone shouldn't feel ashamed of having one, If I'm not being charitable - it's an attack on the Family and Children. Things like 'Shout your Abortion' or my personal favorite 'Abortion is Healthcare' - These are IMO wrong. And if the Left keeps trying to push this and won't back down and revert to the previous position 'Safe, Legal and Rare' - then the Republicans will keep pushing back.

Most Republicans that I've talked to don't want to outright ban Abortion - they just think there is a point in time after which it shouldn't be allowed (because after that, it's a Human, with all the rights that a Human gets) and that it shouldn't be too 'easy' - Someone should ask 'Are you sure this is the right thing to do?' - however when they see the excesses of the Democrats and what they are pushing for - those reasonable Republicans go 'Nope'.

and just so we are clear on the issue 900,000 performed in a year.

Them disney lawyers be coming for you. Ahem - popular vote win and loses below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ar_vote_margin

Disagree - put it this way, if the individual states had electoral colleges, the USA wouldn't have seen a Democrat president, ever.

Mate, you going to need a new pair of running shoes for all these premature victory laps you keep running.
For years the us pollies had their snouts in the trough and come election time they all start pointing at the other side accusing them of crimes, that they never ever then act upon any further. It is just wink, wink, nudge nudge, then straight back to putting their snouts back into the trough. Even trump with his famous locker her up chants. Did he ever take it further?
My opinion is yes, the dem hierarchy DO have influence what charges and when they get laid. I do not know how much influence, but I very much assume they do have at least some. It is not just Trump I want to see face accountability, but the whole dam mother fucking load of those pollies. I welcome the gop to bring charges on shonky dems doings as well. Anything that brings pollies to justice, I'm all for.

Look, if you want to pull the Law and Order card, fine - but the moment you say that they are being smart about how and when to charge someone, in this context, you've just confirmed that it's got absolutely nothing to do with Law and Order. It's Politicking plain and simple.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum.

Let Justice be done, though heaven shall fall.

You may want to educate yourself. Watch the clip below to at least halfway through until the youtube presenter turns up (I cannot stand this one, just cannot be arsed looking for the same clip in another video).
Or are you balls deep on the rudy fruitcake train?

Watched it - Noted the many bait-and-switches, knowing a fair amount about computer forensics and data know that he's trying to play a forensic image of a Hard Drive as 'Not being the same hard drive' - the moment he pulled that Gem, I knew he was full of shit.

Were the gender activists posting misleading information to alter an election result? I did not realize.

No... They were only breaking the law, yet Twitter allowed them to continue on the platform (until Musk bought it).

See - here's the difference:

Republicans, not breaking the law - but doing something the Left doesn't like = Banned by Twitter at the behest of the FBI
Democrats, Breaking the law - but the Left is cool with it = allowed to continue.

If you want to say that this somehow represents 'A Level playing field', then that's fine - but I consider that to be philosophically equivalent to election tampering. You are stiffling the free speech of one side and one side only.

Nice absolutism there mate,
Whilst living in Arkansas, and traveling through and staying in many other states, marxism, true marxism will not happen. Sure, plenty of wannabees, but given a true taste of what it looks like in it's totality, the wannabees would go running back to mummies skirts.
The fear that pours out of every bit of your being when it comes to marxism constitutes a form of mental disorder in my opinion.

It's not absolutism, it is the painful truth. Hell the Marxist scholars even talked about this - they have a whole name devoted to this idea - Praxis.

Now, to be fair to your point - I agree most US states and most US citizens don't and will never want it.

That's not my concern.

My concern is how many corpses will be piled high if those plenty of wannabees get to give it a try before running back to Mummies Skirts.

I'm fairly sure you would find zero support from a single lowly paid american for your idealist premise.

This is not an idealist premise. In fact, the link between minimum wage and getting out of poverty is an idealist notion. This is cold, hard economic facts.

Look - at it's most basic if you want your 'average' workers to be paid more, you have to either increase demand or restrict supply. Increase in demand would be growing more businesses, new technologies, getting people into new areas to work. Restricting supply would be have a net-zero Immigration policy. Government Legislation does not shift the graph.

And we know this because as the Minimum wage increases, various jobs that predominantly were done by School-age kids that provided minimal value disappeared - I remember being shown to my seat in the Movies by a pimply faced teen with a torch - doesn't happen now. Why? Because the cost of the wage is more than the value provided.

You are correct, that certainly does need addressing, is there a plan from the right to address this issue? Whilst you go poking around in right wing policy pledges and so on, is there a gop replacement healthcare plan to replace obamacare yet?

https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-poo...t-divorce-laws

Put aside the hyperbole of 'staying in violent marriages' - it's a Left source, so it's got to get it's two cents in - There's an idea.


I mean, it's not like the idea of destroying the Nuclear Family hasn't been a hallmark of radical leftism for over a hundred years...

A good start would be a proper gun licensing system similar to what we have here in nz, complete with referees, basic mental health tests and checks. Minimum age for certain gun types etc. Will it work 100%? If course not, but it would go some way to lower the gun violence there.

Okay then - suppose I accept that, here's the rub - if that's your standard (and to be clear, it's a pretty good standard - no argument from me) - you have to accept that if and when it fails, that you don't go banning things when something happens due to government Incompetence.

The issue is, I know your feelings as and when that did happen, so I wouldn't trust it.

Those people deserve their voices to be heard. It absolutely was and is a travesty.

The history of Marxist Kleptocrats would disagree.

In Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabamma and Georgia, I witnessed many black towns that had houses barely standing, chronic poverty and so on. Kids born into this will find it hard to escape as they largely will have been swallowed by gangs etc before they are even teens. And that is just that issue they face.

So, what is the solution here?

First and foremost - it's Law and Order. You cannot build a high-trust society with high crime. It doesn't work. That means more policing, more well-trained police. Not defunding the Police.
Next, it's the family - those young boys and young men who get swallowed by the Gangs? They need Fathers or at the very least a strong father figure. I can't recall the study - but it's something like most of the negative effects of fatherlessness on an individual can be mititgated if that individual is otherwise surrounded by other families with Fathers.
Then its culture - This is a hard one - but what the Smithsonian called 'Whiteness' could be summed up as 'Work hard and respect other people' - If that is what Whiteness is and Blackness is not Whiteness (thanks CRT Scholars), then what does that say about Blackness?
Then it's Business and jobs - Idle hands are the devils tools and all that.

I see you have craftily compared Asians, Indians and other first generations to whites this time.
You come across at times as a deep thinker, and other times the exact opposite. The answer to your question can be summed up in one word - they are highly motivated to succeed to the point of moving to another country to achieve their goals. My god man, do you even think about these things before posting?

Asians and Indians though can be 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation Americans - so know, they aren't motivated to succeed just by moving to another country - nice bait and switch.

I put it to you that it is the strong values of family and a focus on Success has lead them to get to the top in a Meritocratic system.

Again - if the America was truly white supremacist, as is the claim, this would not be allowed.

I read what the original authors of CRT say it is about, I read what the right wing attempt to portray it as in order to create the chicken little effect, and you are absolutely being chicken little. CRT in it's pure form is no trojan horse. So they have marxists ideas and leanings, big deal. CRT it self is a path to having an adjustment on laws that have not changed since slavery days and encourage discussing racism baked into laws. It is not about addressing individual racist people as the right is sooooooooooooooooooooooo desperately trying to make out.

They have Marxist ideas and want to implement racial Marxism. What could possibly go wrong? If it's not about addressing individual racists, why do they spend so much time educating individuals into Anti-Racism?

But let's be charitable for a moment - if CRT was only about adjusting laws that have not changed since Slavery - then the majority of CRT discussion should focus on those laws, right? Why do I not see that from the likes of Kimberle Crenshaw? Derrick Bell? etc.

The blindness to it is breathtaking, such as the queues I saw for a white teller over no queue for a black teller at the wallmart I visited near daily, I saw that so, so many times. The mural depicting slaves working in cotton fields at the local post office. If you were to interview these white people, they would not consider themselves racist at all. For the most part they are completely oblivious to their baked in prejudice. Some elements of CRT taught in schools could help address that. (I can feel R650's blood boiling from here)

You are essentially repeating the Implicit Bias assumptions. Again, I must point out that these were so flawed that the original author of the concept had to come out and say 'please stop using it like that'.

If people do not consider themselves as Racist and you are making the claim that they are Racist - we have an impasse. Essentially this is an accusation of a thought crime, for which there is no valid defence (because you've already judged them as guilty).

But again, let's be charitable, there is nothing unique to CRT that could address that in any meaningful way. I'm very serious about that point.

I encourage you to do this - but I would stipulate you use only CRT writings as written by the original authors of it. Go on, give it a go and lets see how you get on?

I'll do that tonight - for various reasons. Namely public Wi-Fi atm.

Actually, there is hundreds of issues that more awareness would be good to have, single use plastics, mining practices (I'm doing my part there), health care issues. Now days anything even mildly inconvenient to ones lifestyle being bought up gets you an avalanche of woke accusations being leveled against you. A bit of balance would be nice.

You'll note I added a key caveat 'That requires Wokeness' - none of those examples require Wokeness. The accusation of Wokeness is when a small minority use Government force to make people live the way that they want them to (afterall, Wokeness is a totalitarian ideology).

Pushing back is fine, absolutely fine. An avalanche of hate as evidenced by 20+ percent of fox news articles in one day is not acceptable. My god, they are still posting daily articles about the bud light saga

Have the left accepted that maybe they've gone too far and that Biological Sex is, in fact, a reality?

No?

Then let the 'avalanche of hate' as you call it flow. As I said, the Left keeps pushing and then complains why they get a reaction.

But the right is being so hypocritical about it all. As evidenced by one of their hero past presidents actually performing in at least two drag shows for the military and doing it in front of children no less. Yes, you read that right, a revered republican president performed in drag shows

I'll watch later - but I suspect it's going to be more akin to the Christmas Pantomime Dame (Oh no it isn't!) than a modern Drag show.

Now, for context - I've seen Drag shows, I think Drag queens are hilarious. As adult entertainment. Nothing wrong with it being Adult Entertainment. If we get back to the more 'traditional' cross-dressing acts - such the aforementioned Panto Dame - the comedy is that it's clearly a man, dressed as a Woman, with a silly voice. It's not someone in fishnets and a corset stripping off.

I mean, I saw a video the other day, in a school, of a pupil getting a lap dance from a Drag Queen.

I want to ask everyone this: Is there a context where you would ever accept an under 16 year old, getting grinded on by an adult male in lingerie? Cause I sure as shit can't.

This is what is riling Republicans up so much - something that is so far beyond the pail that to any reasonable observer it's wrong, yet not only was it allowed, but when it's pulled up - it's defended.

My take on it is nature does not care one shit about the politics of climate change. We need to work together, the far left are being wankers about it, so are the far right. The two parties better get their shit sorted out, and fast.

I think we'll be fine. That said, a bit more Nuclear Power, perhaps a way to leverage wave energy and a reduction in coal-fired power stations would be a good thing.

That and drop the naked anti-capitalism Maxists off at the street corner.

Sure, ok - the right needs to drop the daftest maga morons off too.

After the Democrats pull back, not before (and I don't think they will pull back) remember - MAGA arouse out of the excesses of the Left under Obama.

Now find me the gop version of that nice articulate dem congressman. Are there any?

Okay, so not a Congressman - but Nick Freitas is a good example. I'll post a link later.

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That's nice and all - but if I hold you and your opinion on Trump to the same standard you hold me and my opinion on a certain election - there's a disconnect.

Despite both being an opinion, sincerely held, where the court outcomes do not backup said opinion.

All I'm saying is if you want to say 'But Trump is a Criminal', then by the same evidentiary basis, you can't say 'The Election was secure'. I'm just asking you to pick one.

Lets see, I supply audio of a man boasting about forcing himself on woman as evidence, and you in turn provide me with ........no evidence what so ever of corrupt voting - none. Then you attempt to make a play like you your holding a super strong poker hand. Your all bluff n fluff mate

Polarizing may be a factor - but I can think of other polarizing elections too. And 150 years or so of patterns isn't something you can just hand-waive away.

And none of those elections have a polarizer like trump or voted through an active pandemic. And you expect it to produce results in line with other elections? Oh and no proof of vote fixing has been found despite it being the most scrutinized election in history. Keep digging mate, you might make it to spain lol

You got a source for that last part? I've not been able to find some hard numbers as to the partisan split for Mail in Voters - so I'm not sure about that.

The Florida and Ohio law changes were more about the fact that the Bush/Gore election had to go all the way to the supreme court. Again, these states have a long history of larger than average Mail in voting, so it makes sense that they would be particularly affected by any issues.

I agree there is no direct evidence, but when you have states that have massive changes in how they run their elections, which corresponds with statistically significant changes in voting patters - it's suspicious.

Like it or not, that suspicion is both reasonable and well-founded.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ience-in-2020/ for dems vs gop voter percentages
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...all-50-states/ for overalls.
Look how they discuss in the first paragraph how different the pandemic made things from other elections - as any reasonable person would expect.

"We may have seen it coming, but now we know for sure: The coronavirus pandemic made the 2020 election look different from any other election in recent memory. Due to the massive expansion of mail voting, a staggering number of Americans cast their ballots before Election Day. And due to then-President Donald Trump’s false claims that mail voting would lead to election fraud, a huge partisan gap emerged between ballots cast by mail and ballots cast on Election Day."
ahhhh yes, Trump priming his base warning of vast mail in fraud before voting had ever started. His big lie had started before the election had started. I remember Trump accusing bunches of Republicans of the same thing in the mid term primaries just run for fucks sake. Any time votes don't go his or his endorsements way out comes the voter fraud megaphone

Perhaps if the Democrats had been super squeeky clean during Trump's presidency and not subjected us to 4 years of made up accusations, not rigged internet discourse and not forced mass-mail in voting - then perhaps you might have a point.

You so desperately struggling to come up with anything of substance here, and when faced with the avalanche of proof that trump and the gop lied about the fraud, thus undermining 70% of gop voters from confidence in free elections. It is an incredible attack on democracy and you are trying to pretend like that did not happen. It's pitiful mate.
So much is coming out near daily now. Listen to the audio tapes that ex fox exec released with Peter Navaro today mate. Holy shit!!! But hey, keep clinging to the concrete filled life ring marked SS Trump.

Here's my take - most people accept that Abortion is a necessary Evil. I'm very much in that camp, I'm pro-choice for various reasons.

That said, Roe represented bad law. It read into the constitution something that was never intended using some very impressive legal wrangling. Just so you do think this is a Republican talking - My view on Roe is almost functionally identical to that of Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Bad law should always be repealed.

What I see - is that the Activist wing of the Democrats are trying to glorify and normalize Abortion. If I'm being charitable, it's because someone shouldn't feel ashamed of having one, If I'm not being charitable - it's an attack on the Family and Children. Things like 'Shout your Abortion' or my personal favorite 'Abortion is Healthcare' - These are IMO wrong. And if the Left keeps trying to push this and won't back down and revert to the previous position 'Safe, Legal and Rare' - then the Republicans will keep pushing back.

Most Republicans that I've talked to don't want to outright ban Abortion - they just think there is a point in time after which it shouldn't be allowed (because after that, it's a Human, with all the rights that a Human gets) and that it shouldn't be too 'easy' - Someone should ask 'Are you sure this is the right thing to do?' - however when they see the excesses of the Democrats and what they are pushing for - those reasonable Republicans go 'Nope'.

and just so we are clear on the issue 900,000 performed in a year.

None of the waffle above addresses my point, that percentage wise, the abortion issue has the gop running against the grain, and it is costing them more votes than it is gaining.

Disagree - put it this way, if the individual states had electoral colleges, the USA wouldn't have seen a Democrat president, ever.

Wow, what does it say about your team when you say it would need the weird electoral college scam, opps scheme to give the gop a hand up - sad.

Look, if you want to pull the Law and Order card, fine - but the moment you say that they are being smart about how and when to charge someone, in this context, you've just confirmed that it's got absolutely nothing to do with Law and Order. It's Politicking plain and simple.

Fīat jūstitia ruat cælum.

Let Justice be done, though heaven shall fall.

This is super weak as I'm pulling the law and order card for BOTH sides.
Crimes were committed, just because they are politicians and politicking does not mean there is not an actual crime to be addressed. Fucking hell, this is desperate stuff from you

Watched it - Noted the many bait-and-switches, knowing a fair amount about computer forensics and data know that he's trying to play a forensic image of a Hard Drive as 'Not being the same hard drive' - the moment he pulled that Gem, I knew he was full of shit.

Holy crap, yet more smoke and mirrors from you - so WHO handed over said hard drive? Oh yes rudy, fuck knows what had happened to it before then. Unless a goverment agency had busted in and confiscated the hard drive directly, the integrity of the data on said drive cannot be trusted. Pretty basic shit mate.

No... They were only breaking the law, yet Twitter allowed them to continue on the platform (until Musk bought it).

See - here's the difference:

Republicans, not breaking the law - but doing something the Left doesn't like = Banned by Twitter at the behest of the FBI
Democrats, Breaking the law - but the Left is cool with it = allowed to continue.

If you want to say that this somehow represents 'A Level playing field', then that's fine - but I consider that to be philosophically equivalent to election tampering. You are stiffling the free speech of one side and one side only.

You have a lot to say about this, is there proof the fbi asked twitter to shadow ban accounts? (real proof please)

It's not absolutism, it is the painful truth. Hell the Marxist scholars even talked about this - they have a whole name devoted to this idea - Praxis.

Now, to be fair to your point - I agree most US states and most US citizens don't and will never want it.

That's not my concern.

My concern is how many corpses will be piled high if those plenty of wannabees get to give it a try before running back to Mummies Skirts.

Oh that is so fucking rich, NOW you are concerned about bodies piling up, yet happy to sacrifice hundreds of school kids on the alter of the 2nd amendment - and those are bodies that are actually piling up - not mythical ones that may come from a pretty fucking unlikely marxists uprising. HOLY SHIT you are a piece of work!

So what? You are you worried Russia and China are going to start arming the academics (the opera singers can be the reserve troops) and marxisym is going to sweep the states???? As soon as these wannabee young marxists figure out this shit is going to take hard work, they will be heading back for their latees and social media posting

Shit man you should of seen US faces when I was talking about the NZ Government owning the electricity grids, telecommunications and other such entities back in the 70's and 80's they were horrified at the communism we all lived under then lol. Marxism has about as much chance of taking hold in the US in our lifetime as you making a calm and rational post regarding the actual realistic threat of Marxism

This is not an idealist premise. In fact, the link between minimum wage and getting out of poverty is an idealist notion. This is cold, hard economic facts.

Look - at it's most basic if you want your 'average' workers to be paid more, you have to either increase demand or restrict supply. Increase in demand would be growing more businesses, new technologies, getting people into new areas to work. Restricting supply would be have a net-zero Immigration policy. Government Legislation does not shift the graph.

I do not agree at all. It is a pain in the arse for me to pay my workers living wages, but I do because they deserve to be able to live at a reasonable standard. Someone said earlier, if the eltes keep being grreedy they will hang from the trees as history repeats yet again. There needs to be balance. You talk as if life lives in statistical journals - it does not.

And we know this because as the Minimum wage increases, various jobs that predominantly were done by School-age kids that provided minimal value disappeared - I remember being shown to my seat in the Movies by a pimply faced teen with a torch - doesn't happen now. Why? Because the cost of the wage is more than the value provided.

More like they have cut that public service out to enrich themselves further. Find your own fucken seat and I'll pocket the extra. Similar to the rort of self checkout, pack your own fucken groceries and we will hire less humans and pocket the difference.

https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-poo...t-divorce-laws

Put aside the hyperbole of 'staying in violent marriages' - it's a Left source, so it's got to get it's two cents in - There's an idea.


I mean, it's not like the idea of destroying the Nuclear Family hasn't been a hallmark of radical leftism for over a hundred years...

Seriously, that is the best policy you can find from the right to tackle what the blacks are facing? Nothing else? Big government forcing bad relationships to keep at it is going to in some way save and elevate them as a race? My fucking god man

Okay then - suppose I accept that, here's the rub - if that's your standard (and to be clear, it's a pretty good standard - no argument from me) - you have to accept that if and when it fails, that you don't go banning things when something happens due to government Incompetence.

If and when it fails, For fucks sake man, it never started!


So, what is the solution here?

First and foremost - it's Law and Order. You cannot build a high-trust society with high crime. It doesn't work. That means more policing, more well-trained police. Not defunding the Police.
Next, it's the family - those young boys and young men who get swallowed by the Gangs? They need Fathers or at the very least a strong father figure. I can't recall the study - but it's something like most of the negative effects of fatherlessness on an individual can be mititgated if that individual is otherwise surrounded by other families with Fathers.
Then its culture - This is a hard one - but what the Smithsonian called 'Whiteness' could be summed up as 'Work hard and respect other people' - If that is what Whiteness is and Blackness is not Whiteness (thanks CRT Scholars), then what does that say about Blackness?
Then it's Business and jobs - Idle hands are the devils tools and all that.

Fair enough, so what are the GOP policies to address this?

Asians and Indians though can be 2nd, 3rd or even 4th generation Americans - so know, they aren't motivated to succeed just by moving to another country - nice bait and switch.

I put it to you that it is the strong values of family and a focus on Success has lead them to get to the top in a Meritocratic system.

Again - if the America was truly white supremacist, as is the claim, this would not be allowed.

Bait and switch - Why are we talking about Asians and Indians anyway? This is misdirection by you. They were not born into black communities, thus their situation is not comparable. Pfffft.

They have Marxist ideas and want to implement racial Marxism. What could possibly go wrong? If it's not about addressing individual racists, why do they spend so much time educating individuals into Anti-Racism?

But let's be charitable for a moment - if CRT was only about adjusting laws that have not changed since Slavery - then the majority of CRT discussion should focus on those laws, right? Why do I not see that from the likes of Kimberle Crenshaw? Derrick Bell? etc.

Are you talking about their work pertaining to CRT, or are you talking about other work they have done? I'm talking about CRT itself.

You are essentially repeating the Implicit Bias assumptions. Again, I must point out that these were so flawed that the original author of the concept had to come out and say 'please stop using it like that'.

If people do not consider themselves as Racist and you are making the claim that they are Racist - we have an impasse. Essentially this is an accusation of a thought crime, for which there is no valid defence (because you've already judged them as guilty).

But again, let's be charitable, there is nothing unique to CRT that could address that in any meaningful way. I'm very serious about that point.

I'm telling you what I saw. Why were white people queuing for white tellers when black tellers were available a few meters away? - remember I saw the phenomenon pretty much daily.

I'll do that tonight - for various reasons. Namely public Wi-Fi atm.

I'm really looking forward to this - make sure your switching races premis to see what it looks like is applied to actual CRT as published by the acknowledged authors of CRT.

You'll note I added a key caveat 'That requires Wokeness' - none of those examples require Wokeness. The accusation of Wokeness is when a small minority use Government force to make people live the way that they want them to (afterall, Wokeness is a totalitarian ideology).

Interesting, where exactly are you getting this official definition of wokeness from - sources please?

Maybe you could forward it to this republican author who wrote a book on wokeness, and yet - can still not define it
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0hsg5mz18ew
Interviewer: "oh, you can take your time"

Have the left accepted that maybe they've gone too far and that Biological Sex is, in fact, a reality?

No?

Then let the 'avalanche of hate' as you call it flow. As I said, the Left keeps pushing and then complains why they get a reaction.

My trans child, and associates that I've met - politics is the further-est things from their mind. They literally never talk about it or consider it, but it is ok for them to be attacked constantly as though they are?
Fuck you.

I'll watch later - but I suspect it's going to be more akin to the Christmas Pantomime Dame (Oh no it isn't!) than a modern Drag show.

Cummon man, that's all you got? Surely even you can find just how fucking hilarious it is that we have Ronald Reagan dressed in drag, performing a drag show for the military and kids. GOLD!!!!

Now, for context - I've seen Drag shows, I think Drag queens are hilarious. As adult entertainment. Nothing wrong with it being Adult Entertainment. If we get back to the more 'traditional' cross-dressing acts - such the aforementioned Panto Dame - the comedy is that it's clearly a man, dressed as a Woman, with a silly voice. It's not someone in fishnets and a corset stripping off.

I mean, I saw a video the other day, in a school, of a pupil getting a lap dance from a Drag Queen.

I want to ask everyone this: Is there a context where you would ever accept an under 16 year old, getting grinded on by an adult male in lingerie? Cause I sure as shit can't.

This is what is riling Republicans up so much - something that is so far beyond the pail that to any reasonable observer it's wrong, yet not only was it allowed, but when it's pulled up - it's defended.

Sigh........ we have covered this exact ground several times. You know I don't agree with transvestites in schools, even for basic story time yet alone grinding. It is the exception (that needs to stop) not the rule for trans people and the issues they are facing. The right are just gas lighting so badly that trans are starting to turn up murdered. I have valid worries for my child because of that.

I think we'll be fine. That said, a bit more Nuclear Power, perhaps a way to leverage wave energy and a reduction in coal-fired power stations would be a good thing.

It might take a bit more than that to fix the issue.

That and drop the naked anti-capitalism Maxists off at the street corner.

I would counter, there is already a bunch there, you trying to start a turf war?

After the Democrats pull back, not before (and I don't think they will pull back) remember - MAGA arouse out of the excesses of the Left under Obama.

Ahhh, the well worn hallmark of diplomacy - not. God forbid that any balanced calm dialog break out, where the votes in that eh?

Okay, so not a Congressman - but Nick Freitas is a good example. I'll post a link later.

Make it a Congressman
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Now as an aside, I notice as one continues to engage you, imo your walls of text get ever larger and wilder. My perception is you do this knowing most do not have the time or inclination to counter - thus fall silent. You use this silence to walk away and within your mind at least "celebrate a win".
Now in regards to me, you say you like to debate me and that's fine. But the reality of my reply above is, you only got one because I was a greedy fuck and had wayyyyy to much spicy rich food before going to sleep. I woke up in the early hours gagging on acid. So I had to get up and wait for my stomach to come right - that is literally the only reason you got the reply above!
My interpretation you debate me as if I'm some left wing zealot. I like balanced discussion, and at present I find debating you is like having teamed up for a three legged race with an below the right knee amputee who is still awaiting the prosthetic to arrive in the mail. As a result we just end up running around in clockwise circles. It gets old fast and one validly feels they are getting nowhere, either singularly or as a team.

The wall of text approach is akin to you being the kiwibiker version of Mister Organ - just without the malice. If you don't get the reference, download the movie Mister Organ, it is a kiwi doco worth a watch. Part of Mister Organs approach is he is very intelligent, yet grinds down his opponents with a never ending avalanche of super boring and often inaccurate shit. That is how I view your walls of text. If you want me to engage further, try some more balance please. If not, you will need to pack your most important messaging into the first paragraph, as I won't be bothering to read or commenting on any more than said first paragraph - that is of a reasonable length I should add!

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Lets see, I supply audio of a man boasting about forcing himself on woman as evidence, and you in turn provide me with ........no evidence what so ever of corrupt voting - none. Then you attempt to make a play like you your holding a super strong poker hand. Your all bluff n fluff mate

Sounds like we are doing the 'Grab em by the pussy' line again. I mean, it's not like certain Trump quotes have been taken wildly out of context (Bleach, MS-13 etc. etc.) - even then though, your audio misses the point I was making.

You say 'boasting about forcing himself on a woman'
I say 'boasting about fortifying an election'

And none of those elections have a polarizer like trump or voted through an active pandemic. And you expect it to produce results in line with other elections? Oh and no proof of vote fixing has been found despite it being the most scrutinized election in history. Keep digging mate, you might make it to spain lol

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ience-in-2020/ for dems vs gop voter percentages
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...all-50-states/ for overalls.
Look how they discuss in the first paragraph how different the pandemic made things from other elections - as any reasonable person would expect.

"We may have seen it coming, but now we know for sure: The coronavirus pandemic made the 2020 election look different from any other election in recent memory. Due to the massive expansion of mail voting, a staggering number of Americans cast their ballots before Election Day. And due to then-President Donald Trump’s false claims that mail voting would lead to election fraud, a huge partisan gap emerged between ballots cast by mail and ballots cast on Election Day."
ahhhh yes, Trump priming his base warning of vast mail in fraud before voting had ever started. His big lie had started before the election had started. I remember Trump accusing bunches of Republicans of the same thing in the mid term primaries just run for fucks sake. Any time votes don't go his or his endorsements way out comes the voter fraud megaphone

What was mostly missing was a historic breakdown of Left vs right in Mail-in voting - however, I'm going to use the second link to make this point: it does show the 2016 Election and it shows that Mail-in voting wasn't particularly partisan. Then, with a large expansion of Mail in voting, we see it heavily partisan.

That, in of itself, is statistically interesting. You have a significant change in how an Election is conducted and that change seems to favor one-side heavily. In any other context, that would be called 'Gerrymandering'.

Now - you say his big lie started before the election - From your point of view, he was prepping for his loss, priming his base etc. A different point of view is that based on the historical precedents, like the 2000 election where inadequate controls over Mail-in voting caused issues - he had a valid concern over states that massively expanded mail-in voting due to the pandemic, which turned out to be correct.

I still put it to you that Trump is as polarizing in 2020 (and 2024 ) as he was in 2016 - and so your claim of that this discrepancies are caused purely off that basis (for me) don't hold enough water to support that. What I'm interested to see is what the 2024 numbers look like, especially if Trump is the Candidate. If we see numbers in terms of votes case and splits that look similar to 2016, then we will be able to reasonably infer that 2020 had issues. If we see numbers between 2024 and 2020, then we won't.

You so desperately struggling to come up with anything of substance here, and when faced with the avalanche of proof that trump and the gop lied about the fraud, thus undermining 70% of gop voters from confidence in free elections. It is an incredible attack on democracy and you are trying to pretend like that did not happen. It's pitiful mate.

Let me you ask this: if the 2020 election had been run under normal voting conditions (e.g. no mass mail in voting) - Do you think this would have happened? I will grant you that a fringe number of Republicans wouldn't have accepted the result either way, like the fringe number of Democrats who didn't in 2016 - but the 70% number you keep citing wouldn't hold that belief.

Mail in voting was pushed by the Democrats and heavily favored them - that alone doesn't pass a sniff test. That's the bit you completely ignore.

None of the waffle above addresses my point, that percentage wise, the abortion issue has the gop running against the grain, and it is costing them more votes than it is gaining.

The only areas it is costing them votes, are areas which they are never going to win anyway. There's a few states that are deep red and have implemented Abortion Bans - I haven't seen any dip in support in those areas.

Wow, what does it say about your team when you say it would need the weird electoral college scam, opps scheme to give the gop a hand up - sad.

It's not a Scam though - I mean the Electoral College was founded because of a fear that more populous states would end up controlling less populous states. That Democracy, absent any checks and balances, is tyranny of the Majority over the Minority - which in the US context is an affront to Freedom.

If that argument can be applied to the country as a whole, there is no reason why it shouldn't be applied to the individual states.

My point being that this seems to be happening at a State level - if every county can vote red, but a single city can vote blue and that swings the state blue - is that a proportional, representative Democracy?

This is super weak as I'm pulling the law and order card for BOTH sides.
Crimes were committed, just because they are politicians and politicking does not mean there is not an actual crime to be addressed. Fucking hell, this is desperate stuff from you

Sure - then it needs to be addressed absent a political time frame. The moment a charge is leveled purely on a political basis, I'm going to call it bunk. The m

Holy crap, yet more smoke and mirrors from you - so WHO handed over said hard drive? Oh yes rudy, fuck knows what had happened to it before then. Unless a goverment agency had busted in and confiscated the hard drive directly, the integrity of the data on said drive cannot be trusted. Pretty basic shit mate.

Yeah.... No. Again, this is my Wheelhouse - I've done a bit of this type of work. Given the behavior of certain Government Agencies, They would be the last people I would be handing it to.

There's a multitude of factors that swayed me that the HDD was legit. You've asked for brevity, so I will try and give it: On the email chains, especially the ones that were the focus of the accusations of corruption against both Hunter and Joe - we are able to verify the information was valid in 2 different ways: Firstly through 3rd party logs - That is, other people CC'd in on the Email chain - we saw confirmation from those people that this was the email (and IIRC when a forensic deep-dive was done, they validated the headers) - secondly through real life events. If you have an email, confirming a business meeting and you have confirmation that the 2 people in question did in fact meet, it tends to say the email was valid.

In order to 'fake' it, as is being claimed, you would need to go back in time, hack both mail servers (recipient and sender) and arrange for 2 people to meet - now, state-level hacking is pretty damn sophisticated, but time travel and hacking Google isn't on their list of capabilities.

You have a lot to say about this, is there proof the fbi asked twitter to shadow ban accounts? (real proof please)

I've given it previously - multiple times. I've even given the Democrat rep who sent an email going 'guys, this is going against the 1st amendment'.

Oh that is so fucking rich, NOW you are concerned about bodies piling up, yet happy to sacrifice hundreds of school kids on the alter of the 2nd amendment - and those are bodies that are actually piling up - not mythical ones that may come from a pretty fucking unlikely marxists uprising. HOLY SHIT you are a piece of work!

Hundreds of dead compared to tens of Millions of dead.

You're damn right I'm worried about the greater of two evils.

And before you call me Evil - think on this - everyday you get in a Car you are making the same statistical argument I'm making. You might kill someone or someone's elses family - you might die or you might end up loosing your Family - yet the utility and value of having personal transport is so great that you are willing to Risk it and you take precautions that nothing bad happens.

So what? You are you worried Russia and China are going to start arming the academics (the opera singers can be the reserve troops) and marxisym is going to sweep the states???? As soon as these wannabee young marxists figure out this shit is going to take hard work, they will be heading back for their latees and social media posting

I mean firstly, McCarthy was right, I just want to remind everyone of that historical precedent.
Secondly, Let's take the most recent Commune, in the United States - CHAZ/CHOP - did they go back to their Lates and Social Media?

Or, was it, that when the glorious revolution failed to usher in utopia - it wasn't that the idea was wrong, it was that the people weren't motivated enough - and that's when the murders started happening

How many historical examples do I need to point to where the revolutionaries, after they took over everything and everything fell apart - didn't as you say 'Head back to Lates and Social Media' - they instead engaged in brutal repression?

Shit man you should of seen US faces when I was talking about the NZ Government owning the electricity grids, telecommunications and other such entities back in the 70's and 80's they were horrified at the communism we all lived under then lol. Marxism has about as much chance of taking hold in the US in our lifetime as you making a calm and rational post regarding the actual realistic threat of Marxism

Just humour me this question: Did you then go to a Californian University campus and asked the same questions? Because I'm willing to bet the responses you would get from the people who are likely to be the next generation of leaders would be somewhat different.

IIRC - Arkansas is a deep red state - which would explain that reaction.

I do not agree at all. It is a pain in the arse for me to pay my workers living wages, but I do because they deserve to be able to live at a reasonable standard. Someone said earlier, if the eltes keep being grreedy they will hang from the trees as history repeats yet again. There needs to be balance. You talk as if life lives in statistical journals - it does not.

Why is it a pain in the arse? And more importantly - would government regulation make it more or less of a pain in the arse?

Which elites being greedy? Those same ones with Pro-nouns in their bios, BLM flags on their social Media? Just wondering.

However - still doesn't address the point, as painful as it is, that in pure economics - it does not help. There are a myriad of other factors that have far more influence over it - to the point you can increase the Minimum wage and make Poverty worse (just like the last 6 years of Labour in NZ)

More like they have cut that public service out to enrich themselves further. Find your own fucken seat and I'll pocket the extra. Similar to the rort of self checkout, pack your own fucken groceries and we will hire less humans and pocket the difference.

You mean that as you increase regulation, Companies cut jobs to maintain their profit margin? Almost sounds like you are making the Conservative argument for decreasing government regulation is the best way to increase jobs, which leads to increased competitions from businesses for workers, which leaders to the worker having greater bargaining power for asking for higher wages.

Your MAGA hat will be in the post

Seriously, that is the best policy you can find from the right to tackle what the blacks are facing? Nothing else? Big government forcing bad relationships to keep at it is going to in some way save and elevate them as a race? My fucking god man

I could post up a clip of Chris Rock in a stand-up show criticising the African American community for it's attitudes towards fatherhood - from about 20 years ago. The Family is both a microcosm of society and also the bedrock upon which everything else rests.

Now, if it makes you happy, I'd like to see Republicans, Conservatives, National et al be much more forceful in their articulation of why a strong family unit is a necessity and maybe pushback on the idea that if you are unhappy, you should just get divorced.

I mean - when their own community is calling them out for this self-destructive behavior and culture and they continue to do it - at what point does the reasonable person say 'You've been given good advice that you are ignoring, you're on your own'

If and when it fails, For fucks sake man, it never started!

So, what is the solution here?

New Zealand. And you supported it. Although to be fair, I did manage to tease out of you a 'Perhaps they went too far', so I don't want to appear to hard on that point.

That is why people like me don't believe anybody who says 'Oh, if we just do this one thing, it won't happen again' - it will happen again and then something else will be to blame and get banned and the next thing and the next thing.

Fair enough, so what are the GOP policies to address this?

Refund the Police/Back the Blue.
Discussions about Divorce law and also around how benefits are setup to incentivize single parenthood.
Culture is not so much about Government Policy per se - as I tend to see that culture is downstream from academia. Academia that at the moment is rotten to the core. So things like this are applicable.
Then for business de-regulation and streamlining of the Tax system.

As I said in a previous post - I'd love to see the Republicans be much more strident on the advocacy towards Families. And setting the Government structure up in such a way that it encourages two parent families.

Bait and switch - Why are we talking about Asians and Indians anyway? This is misdirection by you. They were not born into black communities, thus their situation is not comparable. Pfffft.

So, hear me out then: If Asians and Indians aren't affected, then maybe the problem isn't 'Whiteness' or White Supremacy, maybe the problem is something unique to the Black Community.

Now - I'll grant you there are historic factors, my contention is that their impact is much more limited than other factors. That is, if we fixed Crime, Fatherlessness and Culture - that would go longer and further than any dollar figure in 'Reparations' will ever go.

Are you talking about their work pertaining to CRT, or are you talking about other work they have done? I'm talking about CRT itself.

I don't draw that great of a distinction. Again, I view CRT as little more than an academic tool to undermine society to usher in the Glorious revolution, when you look at the other work they have done, that explanation makes much more sense.

I'm telling you what I saw. Why were white people queuing for white tellers when black tellers were available a few meters away? - remember I saw the phenomenon pretty much daily.

I'm not denying what you saw. I'm saying that to get to the charge of Racism, we need to know that each individual queuing was doing so because they didn't like Black People. There could be reasons, absent racism, that could explain it.

It could also be racism.

I'm really looking forward to this - make sure your switching races premis to see what it looks like is applied to actual CRT as published by the acknowledged authors of CRT.

There's a few works that I've got in mind - the biggest issue I'm going to face is to re-write them so they can't be copied and pasted to get the answer.

Interesting, where exactly are you getting this official definition of wokeness from - sources please?

Maybe you could forward it to this republican author who wrote a book on wokeness, and yet - can still not define it
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0hsg5mz18ew
Interviewer: "oh, you can take your time"

Yeah, I remember that - that person is an Idiot and I've never cited them or referenced them in any of my writings.

My definition of Wokeness is based on my reading of what they write - the only reason there isn't an 'official' definition of Wokeness is so that those who practice it can lie about what it is.

But... because you asked - I'll provide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guYc12MHqH4 - you can watch the whole thing - but the relevant part is the first 1 minute and 30 seconds - including someone lying about what Wokeness is (when they know very well what it is) and then giving what I think is a pretty good definition: "At a political level, I want the pursuit of re-distributive goals whether that's power, whether that's wealth, whether that's land in order to pursue aims of social justice along class, gender, race lines"

My trans child, and associates that I've met - politics is the further-est things from their mind. They literally never talk about it or consider it, but it is ok for them to be attacked constantly as though they are?
Fuck you.

My experience is very different - many of the people who I've met who self-identify as Queer, Gender non-binary, Gender non-confirming Trans etc. are radically political.

But here's my reply: If someone was using a group that you were a member of for political ends and it was making your life much worse - what would you do? I know I'd make certain that those people speaking in my name did not speak for me.

Cummon man, that's all you got? Surely even you can find just how fucking hilarious it is that we have Ronald Reagan dressed in drag, performing a drag show for the military and kids. GOLD!!!!

Not really - I've had to explain this to many Americans who have tried to tell me that the Pantomime Dame is the same as a modern Drag show - it's not. The key difference is the sexual element.

The Soldiers Drag show is a very old tradition and doesn't share it's roots with a modern Drag show. That is to say - it came about due to not many women being on the front lines.

Sigh........ we have covered this exact ground several times. You know I don't agree with transvestites in schools, even for basic story time yet alone grinding. It is the exception (that needs to stop) not the rule for trans people and the issues they are facing. The right are just gas lighting so badly that trans are starting to turn up murdered. I have valid worries for my child because of that.

Let me paint a scenario then - to perhaps highlight why the right is still attacking this issue - if in the first instance of something like that getting filmed (and it's not a single instance or from a single school) all of the Left went 'Holy Shit! That's not we intended, this is way too far, you are right - this IS innapropriate and we will do something about it!' - I suspect this wouldn't be the issue that it is.

That isn't the case though, we don't even get pleas of ignorance 'We didn't know this was happening' - no, from the Left we actually get apologia for this kind of behavior - people saying this is fine and not to be offended by it and in some cases, that we need more of it.

And so the pushback from the right wing continues and grows.

Let me dial this back a few years to something JBP said back in (I think) 2016 or so - 'We know when the Right goes too far - when they start making claims of Ethnic or racial superiority. Now, we know the Left can go too far, Obviously, but no one knows when exactly that is'

I put it to you that on this issue, the Left have gone too far, yet they are incapable of reversing themselves. Whether it's Pride (heh), Not wanting to 'lose' to the Conservatives, Genuine Conviction, or Ideological nefariousness, I don't know - but until they retreat - the Right are going to keep pushing. I don't want anyone to get Murdered in much the same way I don't want anyone to commit suicide, nor do I want anyone to undergo life-altering medical procedures because they were convinced at the time it was a good idea.

Somethings gotta give and even the most liberal of Person tends to get really conservative, really quickly if they think their child is threatened.

It might take a bit more than that to fix the issue.

Maybe, maybe not - as I said, there's 70 years of failed eco-disaster predictions, including a few that I remember in my lifetime. I think Life and Planet Earth is far more resilient than we give it credit for.

I also think we humans aren't quite as important as we think we are.

I would counter, there is already a bunch there, you trying to start a turf war?

Well, that would be one way to thin the herd...

Ahhh, the well worn hallmark of diplomacy - not. God forbid that any balanced calm dialog break out, where the votes in that eh?

And therein lies the heart of the problem, in my opinion, the current left in terms of the activists do not share a common goal with the current right. Without that shared common goal, we cannot have balanced dialog - we are diametrically opposed.

America was built on British Liberalism - which places the primacy of the individual front and centre. It is incompatible with any form of Collectivism.

Make it a Congressman

Okay, I'll admit - most of the people I was thinking of were Senators - but having a look through the list - I recognized one that I quite like (You have no idea how tempted I was to put Magic The Gathering here...)

Dan Crenshaw.
Oh and Morgan Luttrell.

My interpretation you debate me as if I'm some left wing zealot.

I know you aren't a left wing zealot, but on many issues - you accept the Left Wing framing of certain issues. Framing that I disagree with at the Philosophical level and at a pragmatic level.

[Berries]

My head hurts.

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1199135926955466753

[pete376403]

Carlson has been booted by Fox. Too extreme even for them

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The TV One News has managed to piss me off again. They are attributing Tucker Carlson's departure to the Dominion court case. That's not impossible but it's not likely. More realistically his departure is, similar to Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly, due to sexual harassment. Carlson had also slagged off the FOX management. His Executive Producer also got the axe and he wasn't obviously involved in slandering Dominion. He would have been involved in contributing to a toxic work environment though.

If you haven't already heard what is happening Google Abby Grossberg. She is suing FOX and one of the lawyers made a cryptic comment that raised the possibility of a criminal investigation.

Time will tell.

[F5 Dave]

My head hurts.

That's because the TDL logon is really a beta Russian AUI bot.

Artificial Un-Intelligence designed to argue continuously to try take down Capitalist pig dogs like you until your head spins, Does Not Compute. Does Not Compute. Thus killing off the West's sleeper agents with extreme weaponised stupidity.

Come the glorious day. Come the etc.

Anyway. Unsubscribe. Again.


Let's can this section and just have motorcycle threads?

[Grumph]

I suggest that overuse of the multi-quote function be made an offence on the site. 6 months suspension for using it more than twice per post.

If you can't say what you want in one simple paragraph, piss off.

[pritch]

This didn't age well. I'd even shout him some nails.

[sugilite:Me]

Don the dem?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...xperts-bizarre

[Laava]

Haha, it’s like a tragic comedy!