Why would you care? You seem to be fairly set on ACT and its policiesOriginally Posted by R650R
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Why would you care? You seem to be fairly set on ACT and its policies
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
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Because if they disintegrate most votes will migrate to greens and a little to Maori. Eventually down the track national is no longer flavour of the month.
Then the horrific spectre arises of a green-Maori coalition govt maybe even with Winston in tow!!!
For all labours faults they are nowhere near as kooky as the greens.
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Well they weren't, now they're talking about putting the capital gains and wealth tax back on the program.
I can't see it being a winner given the shift to the right in the election, in a cost of living crisis I don't think they'll get back the middle income centrish voters by taking more money off them to fund the endless fringe group agendas that absorb tax revenue and produce nothing.
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The left is always envious of what others have. The type of people who vote labour will happily do it at their own expense if it means the “ rich man” pays extra.
Sadly a lot of people don’t understand how much a “wealth” tax will cost themselves. Let’s say an average couple in their early 40s at moment manages to pay off a modest 700k house that in day 20 years time is worth a million dollars. A 1% wealth tax will be $10,000 cash every year thank you. And if you sell up to downsize ohh you’re getting downsized alright when you pay the capital Gai s tax afterwards unless you’ve managed to stay in same property all your life.
National only won this election because Labour went limp on crime. There is a high Indian population in the traditional labour seats that national took in Auckland. That’s only because all the dairy owners and their extended families were sick of being stabbed/ram raided and forgotten about. Once Nat/act clean crims out unless they do stellar performance they might be a one term wonder.
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Nice one, The only issue is Capital gains taxs were not expected to be on primary residences. So you suggesting it somehow was is either a lack of understand or a misrepresentation of facts.
Also the Fact pretty every other country in the world already has a form of CGT suggests your lefty's remark is utter twaddle...
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The actual total vote that went to national is one of the lowest prcentages they have had. The fact that NZ first,Act,the greens also got a large share of the vote means that a lot of people arent particularly impressed with National either
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It seems Labour doesn’t understand still why they lost. This (shadow) cabinet minister listing is inverted to what the public actually thinks is important…. Says it all really.
Labour's top 10:
Chris Hipkins - leader
Carmel Sepuloni - welfare, Pacific Peoples, Auckland issues
Grant Robertson - finance and racing
Megan Woods - climate change and energy
Willie Jackson - Māori development, broadcasting, employment
Ayesha Verrall - health, public service and Wellington
Kieran McAnulty - Shadow Leader of the House, housing, regional and local government
Willow-Jean Prime - children and youth
Ginny Andersen - police, violence prevention, social investment
Jan Tinetti - education and women
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Chris is going full retard labelling opting out of UN Pheic pandemic policy as supporting conspiracy theories.
What the current govt is doing is saving us from giving away our sovereignty and independent decision making on health issues to the UN.
We can still vax and mask or take other measures as the govt of the day sees fit.
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/11/ra...onal-interest/
The “national interest test” proposed by New Zealand’s newly formed coalition—including the National Party, ACT, and NZ First—will be applied before accepting any “agreements from the UN and its agencies that limit national decision-making and reconfirm that New Zealand’s domestic law holds primacy over any international agreements.”
The Pandemic Treaty is one example of a UN agreement.
In November 2021, New Zealand and other World Health Organisation (WHO) Member States agreed to establish an Intergovernmental Negotiating Body to draft a Pandemic Treaty.
However, following the conclusion of public submissions on the pandemic treaty on Aug. 11, 2022, a common theme (pdf) was a concern that a new pandemic instrument would require “New Zealand to relinquish control of our domestic decision-making processes during a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) to the WHO, or otherwise reduce autonomy at the individual or country level.”
The Epoch Times has more details.
Here in Australia, the Foreign Minister says the WHO will have no legal authority to force things on us. (It will only have the right to do sneakery, deception, graft and intimidation, with unbridled help from all our academics, media, and our retirement funds).
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Possibly. History suggests they will begin working out new policies to appeal to various voter groups. Occasionally they have come up with policies that are aimed at people on the fringes and these policies tend to alienate people nearer the centre. Sometimes, though they get it right. We'll see.
As for lack of experience, they'll have more than the current PM and one of his deputies who have precisely zero Cabinet experience.
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They did well to keep this quiet leading up to election…
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/30101...illion-bailout
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What should they have done? Let the development go under and all the buyers loose their deposits? What would NACTFirst business-before-everything-else response be?
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
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Well instead of making false promises of 100,000 homes before 2017 election they should have done their homework and written out some decent contracts to lock in cost. Even better they could have set up a Minidtry of Works style govt infrastructure corporation with an apprenticeship element that would exponentially be increasing housing supply and skill base.
That’s if they really cared about providing housing instead of just window dressing.
Never mind the outrageousness of buying private homes on open market in competition with first home buyers pushing prices up. I was lucky to buy my place just before that kicked off as they had authority in my area to buy anything at up to 20k above valuation.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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False promises are what every party calls their manifesto prior to election. So, a contract to lock in cost? K O had a contract but when the other half goes bankrupt, which is what was threatened, how is that going to be enforced? And, a Ministry of Works? Like the one that existed previously but was shut down by Richard Prebble / Roger Douglas (because private is always better than public) who went on to form ACT? Also, you sig line "Govt gives you nothing because it creates nothing - Javier Milei" - the Government (via that same Ministry of Works) created a lot, gave a lot to NZ
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LetÂ’s just have a little history trip. The beginning of the end was in March 1988 with the Ministry of Works and Development Abolition Act 1988. In power at the time was David LangeÂ’s Labour govt since 26 July 1984. From there onwards we had Lange, Geoffrey Palmer and Michael Moore. National was not back in power til November 1990 with Jim Bolger.
Ironically it was Labour that led some of our biggest reforms including the deregulation of transport to allow trucks to compete with rail and coastal shipping. Yet weÂ’re always told itÂ’s national getting paid off by trucking companiesÂ…
Act wasnÂ’t formed til 96 so it basically happened on labours watch.
I agree the Ministry of works created a lot of awesome stuff in NZ and also employed some of my family. ItÂ’s one of the things (despite public opinion) that was done well by govt and still should be to avoid the profit gouging and create more jobs.
That Labour has never attempted to recreate it says a lot about them and govts in general. It says they really donÂ’t want full employment, it says they donÂ’t want to build infrastructure.
Just look at the recent disasters weather wise in Auckland and HB. We appreciate the help we did get from the army. But itÂ’s a drop in a bucket. A good leader could have created an infrastructure army, drafted all able bodied unemployed men given them truck licences and shovels. We could have had a thousand Hino tipper trucks and some Doosan loaders and diggers here in about six weeks.
But oh no the evo warriors and pen pushers have to shuffle numbers first.
Then once all thatÂ’s finished we could start building a new mega hydro dam for energy security.
Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket - Eric Hoffer
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Correct with the proviso that the extremists had taken over and Lange, the one who could possibly keep things back on track with, was dealing with illness (that ultimately killed him) and being pushed to one side. The PMs that followed, Palmer and Moore were shouted down by the Dougles/Prebble (the future ACT) faction. And so we ended up with the disaster that was Bolger (again, well-meaning but manipulated by Richardson). Funny how history repeats, PM Ardern being basically pushed from her position by a well funded right wing cabal, a sincere but ineffective placeholder (Hipkins) going into the election and now we have ended up with another potential National disaster PM being manipulated by ACT and NZF
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
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