Unmasking Elon Musk

[pritch]

That’s gotta hurt…

Shareholder wins court case that Elons $56 Billion salary/wage in 2018 was unfair to shareholders.
Hopefully next is the pump and dump share price fraud trial Theranos style…

Elon, who is only a part time employee of Tesla, is adjudged by the court to be ripping off shareholders? I wonder what people who actually have shares in Tesla, or claim to, think of that.

[neels]

Elon starting to get twitchy about competition, now that EVs are becoming just another car option being mass produced, and Tesla have probably exhausted the market for buyers of a car as a show of wealth or fashion accessory.

https://www.automotivedive.com/news/...hicle%20market.

[nerrrd]

A foreshadowing of one of the many potential flaws in the self-driving car economic model?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...iving-car-fire

[R650R]

A foreshadowing of one of the many potential flaws in the self-driving car economic model?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/3...iving-car-fire

Sounds like a mostly peaceful BLM protest.

But yes you raise an interesting question how will the masses respond to an environment where personal mobility is restricted to wealthy and rest walk.
I suspect the eventual outcome is only EMS and authorised tradesmen will have personal vehicles and the rest of us will be forced to bus/train/walk.
Our current era of freedom will be looked back on like how we saw the Wild West. Where you could ride your horse to any town, get any job you like and drink and smoke as much as you liked in any bar.

[pritch]

Sounds like a mostly peaceful BLM protest.

Or peaceful tourists visiting the Capitol building?

[onearmedbandit]

Could be either in all reality.

[husaberg]

Only difference is one lot were protesting about a guy killed for no reason.
The other group were attempting to aid a guy trying to commit treason.

[nerrrd]

But yes you raise an interesting question how will the masses respond to an environment where personal mobility is restricted to wealthy and rest walk.
I suspect the eventual outcome is only EMS and authorised tradesmen will have personal vehicles and the rest of us will be forced to bus/train/walk.
Our current era of freedom will be looked back on like how we saw the Wild West. Where you could ride your horse to any town, get any job you like and drink and smoke as much as you liked in any bar.

A driverless vehicle though is a pretty sweet target for vandals. Like bus stops are now.

[R650R]

A driverless vehicle though is a pretty sweet target for vandals. Like bus stops are now.

Yes perhaps they will become the new train carriages for graffiti’s artists too. I’m disappointed the purple peril scooters that litter our footpaths are not taking as many swims in creek as I expected. They litter the footpaths everywhere in suburbia and little consideration is given to elderly mobility scooters or mums with prams.
How long before they get “mined” for their lithium

[Moise]

Apple has cancelled its autonomous EV project. If they can't do it, then who can?

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[nerrrd]

Apple has cancelled its autonomous EV project. If they can't do it, then who can?

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Apple is very good at maximising the profitability of its products – this may just mean they can't see a way of making the sort of margins they expect by building a self-driving car.

It is taking the industry in general a long time to get these cars to market, a lot longer than expected. Hard to work out exactly why that is, they don't seem to get the coverage they used to.

[onearmedbandit]

It is taking the industry in general a long time to get these cars to market, a lot longer than expected. Hard to work out exactly why that is, they don't seem to get the coverage they used to.

There's a number of industry people now in the belief that we won't see them for a very long time, if ever.

[nerrrd]

There's a number of industry people now in the belief that we won't see them for a very long time, if ever.

Right, just read about all the troubles Cruise is having after a fatal accident in San Francisco, they had been running driverless taxis there for a while and looks as though there's still been a fair bit of human intervention (remotely) required even to get that far. And that's after spending more than a few billion.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...os-2023-11-22/

When I think about how much computer power it takes to try to replicate things which humans can learn to do instinctively, admittedly with a sizeable-ish margin of error, it does make me wonder why you would bother when there's a few billion of us here already.

Although it does make for an interesting science project.

[Moise]

It will take a lot of convincing before I'd get in a driverless car, and I'm what the tech industry refers to as an "early adopter".

Apple see the world differently to GM and they would never put a driverless car on the road unless they felt it was safe. Obviously, they feel that is a long way in the future.

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[pete376403]

Apple is very good at maximising the profitability of its products – this may just mean they can't see a way of making the sort of margins they expect by building a self-driving car.

It is taking the industry in general a long time to get these cars to market, a lot longer than expected. Hard to work out exactly why that is, they don't seem to get the coverage they used to.

Why would Apple want to build cars? There are already lots of manufacturers who can do this in a range of great to truly awful. Apple does pretty good computers and software plus very good human interfaces. Surely they would be better partnering with one of the great manufacturers to combine their talents rather than trying to re-invent the wheel