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    Quote Originally Posted by Kb2020dope View Post
    Very interesting statistics...Health NZ have reported a 50,000 increase in emergency department admissions from 2022-23.


    That's 137 more people per day going to Emergency Departments around the country compared to last year.


    Couple that with the massive increase in Kiwis under 40 presenting at EDs with chest pain and you got to ask yourself why is that?
    The reason is pretty simple,
    Maybe the pertinent question you should explain to us why you missed that Your data is utter horse shit.
    Please explain the fucking massive rise that begun before any covid vaccine was rolled out.
    Presenting it here as some sort of link to a vaccine shows you are either lacking in brain power or a simple troll lacking brain power.


    Seriously you don't even make it hard to disprove it FFS...KBdope you are well named ,that's for sure
    A decent troll should be hard or at least provoke a reaction other then extreme pity in the lack of intellect of the troll.
    Lets look at The real stats.
    For example, chest pain ED visits by under 40s jumped from 111 in 2018 to 2219 in 2019, then doubled to 4406 in 2020, which is close to a 3,900% increase between 1 January 2018 and 31 December 2020.


    What’s interesting is that there was absolutely no COVID vaccine causing any of these rising chest pain visits to this point, because no vaccine had been released in NZ yet.


    What was causing it? COVID had shown up in fewer than 1000 people total, all age groups, by the end of 2020, and the number of under-40s would be a pro rata fraction of that. Additionally, most of those testing positive did so at the border quarantine – they weren’t hospital walk-ins – and everyone walking into hospital was being COVID-tested every which way but loose. So its safe to assume that whatever phenomenon was behind the rapidly escalating chest pain wave, it wasn’t COVID or the not yet deployed vaccine.


    In 2021, the vaccine began rolling out, although under-40s didn’t become widely eligible until after July, once all the over-60s and frontline workforce had been jabbed. Nonetheless, 2021 saw the number of under-40s complaining of chest pain leap from 4406 in 2020 to 13063 by the end of 2021, the year of the vaccine.
    2022, with vaccine uptake rapidly falling in the young as omicron swept through regardless of vax status, logged 21416 hospital ED visits for chest pain.
    In 2023, it fell for the first time, dropping to 20005.
    Yet, as revealed at the beginning of this article, 14639 chest pain visits by under-40s had been registered between January to June 2024, putting NZ on target for its most chest-painey year in modern times.
    In 2017 there were 445,000 ambulance arrivals at EDs that year, from a population base of 4.8 million according to Stats NZ, giving a crude ratio of 9.3% against population.
    In 2020, 434,000 ambulance arrivals were recorded.
    In 2021, the Year of the Vaccine, ambulances made 455,000 visits to ED, but from a population base of 5.1 million, giving a ratio of 8.9% against population.
    In other words, if the official figures are to be trusted, the number of ambulance visits to ED in 2021 actually dropped slightly in real terms against pre-pandemic years.
    In 2023, although 492,000 ambulance arrivals are recorded, that’s off a population base of 5.27 million (Stats NZ), giving a ratio of 9.33%, or basically identical to the per capita ratio of 2017.
    In 2021, the Year of the Vaccine, ambulances made 455,000 visits to ED, but from a population base of 5.1 million, giving a ratio of 8.9% against population.
    In other words, if the official figures are to be trusted, the number of ambulance visits to ED in 2021 actually dropped slightly in real terms against pre-pandemic years.
    In 2023, although 492,000 ambulance arrivals are recorded, that’s off a population base of 5.27 million (Stats NZ), giving a ratio of 9.33%, or basically identical to the per capita ratio of 2017.
    The real outlier in ambulance arrivals is shaping up to be 2024, with 291,000 in the year to July, putting us on track to crack 540k-550k by 31 December and effectively corroborating the record chest pain walk-ins this year..

    But what did the chest pain turn out to be?
    Great question, and again Cook asked it.

    The number of people 39 or under treated in public hospitals for acute pericarditis in the year to June 2017 was 93 (ratio of 0.0019% population), and in the year to June 2021 it was 92, despite a big population jump from 4.8 million to 5.1 million.
    In the year to June 2022, 102 people were treated for acute pericarditis (0.002% popn), despite roughly eight million vax doses over that time.
    As to myocarditis in the 39 or younger bracket, in the year to June 2018, pre-pandemic, hospitals treated 53 cases of acute myocarditis (ie, serious and potentially permanent. No figures were sought or provided on mild myocarditis).
    In the year to June 2021, 47 cases of acute myocarditis were listed, while in the year to June 2022 covering almost the entire vaccine rollout, only 34 cases of acute myocarditis were treated in hospital.
    On a per capita basis, that’s fewer than 0.0011% for 2018, 0.0009% for 2021 and fewer than 0.00068% in 2022.
    In other words, if the figures are accurate, the rate of acute myocarditis actually dropped in real terms after vaccination. Again, no figures were sought or provided on mild myocarditis over this time.
    Myocarditis is up slightly to 64 cases in the 12 months to June 2024, or 0.0012% of the population compared to 0.0011% in 2018.What does all this mean?
    It means that NZ’s skyrocketing chest pain epidemic in the under 40s, with an upward trajectory of a 26000% increase over just seven years, and heading towards 29,000 cases this year, is statistically unrelated to serious myocarditis and pericarditis, which have essentially stayed static over the same time period.
    There’s been no big increase in ambulance arrivals to hospital EDs, either – the chest pain epidemic appears mostly to be people who’ve taken themselves to hospital.

    Additionally, the increase began a year before COVID and two years before the vaccine, albeit there was a continued significant increase after COVID and the vaccine made the scene. The evidence raises more questions than answers in our view



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    The reason is pretty simple,
    Maybe the pertinent question you should explain to us why you missed that Your data is utter horse shit.
    Please explain the fucking massive rise that begun before any covid vaccine was rolled out.
    Presenting it here as some sort of link to a vaccine shows you are either lacking in brain power or a simple troll lacking brain power.


    Seriously you don't even make it hard to disprove it FFS...KBdope you are well named ,that's for sure
    A decent troll should be hard or at least provoke a reaction other then extreme pity in the lack of intellect of the troll.
    Lets look at The real stats.
    Dont waste your time, put it on ignore. They/them are just parrotting the banal tripe dished out at their density church brainwashing session. Fucking yawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    The reason is pretty simple,
    Maybe the pertinent question you should explain to us why you missed that Your data is utter horse shit.
    Please explain the fucking massive rise that begun before any covid vaccine was rolled out.
    Presenting it here as some sort of link to a vaccine shows you are either lacking in brain power or a simple troll lacking brain power.


    Seriously you don't even make it hard to disprove it FFS...KBdope you are well named ,that's for sure
    A decent troll should be hard or at least provoke a reaction other then extreme pity in the lack of intellect of the troll.
    Lets look at The real stats.

    I'm not even going to bother reading whatever you have copied and pasted from a mainstream media website.

    If attempting to insult me makes you feel better, then please go for it, I can handle it.

    Look I'm not looking for this to get nasty or off topic. I would just like you to do your own research instead of believing everything mainstream media says.

    If you can't handle the truth and control your emotions then I suggest you listen to Laava and put me on ignore until you better yourself.

    All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kb2020dope View Post
    do your own research
    That phrase is now responsible for far more deaths than the previous record holder. "Hold my beer and watch this."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    That phrase is now responsible for far more deaths than the previous record holder. "Hold my beer and watch this."
    What does "Do your own research" mean anyway? I can't do vaccine trials or epidemiological research on side effects. Am I meant to believe what I see on YouTube over the findings of medical research?

    Now there are some contentious issues in medicine, but in those cases the opposing viewpoints are usually held by medical professionals, not social media influencers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    What does "Do your own research" mean anyway? I can't do vaccine trials or epidemiological research on side effects. Am I meant to believe what I see on YouTube over the findings of medical research?

    Now there are some contentious issues in medicine, but in those cases the opposing viewpoints are usually held by medical professionals, not social media influencers.
    There used to be gems on Twitter before Musk wrecked it.

    During an argument a guy told a woman that she should look up the word 'vagina'. He evidently thought she needed to do her own research. She replied that she was an obstetrician/gynaecologist. He was a bit slow on the uptake, the letters MD after her name were there for all to see.

    Another argumentative guy told his opponent that he should do his own research. The reply informed him that his opponent had a PhD, had actually published research in the topic, and asked if it was suggested that he Google it.

    There has been so much of this that if people suggest you do your own research it now creates a negative impression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    What does "Do your own research" mean anyway? I can't do vaccine trials or epidemiological research on side effects. Am I meant to believe what I see on YouTube over the findings of medical research?

    Now there are some contentious issues in medicine, but in those cases the opposing viewpoints are usually held by medical professionals, not social media influencers.



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    To me it means KBdope got caught posting utter rubbish then instead of fessing up up and saying he was wrong, he instead red reps then runs and hides.
    It's pretty simple that he made a false claim, that there was real data to support that the vaccine was responsible for a massive increase in heart disease
    when it turned out not only there wasn't, the actual data completely disproves that claim.
    He runs off with a few claims that "oh know we have him all wrong", "hes not a troll "etc etc... Same M.O as Dean and they both appear and disappear at the same time.
    Do your own research gets him out of having explain why he's is clearly utterly wrong, in this situation the troll resorts to blaming the source of the information, then claims people need to do their own research. slinks off looking for other victims.

    I doubt between Dean and KBdope if they have 2 posts about motorbikes in 200 posts.
    Yet appear to get a "free pass" on KB



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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    That phrase is now responsible for far more deaths than the previous record holder. "Hold my beer and watch this."
    Hey mate,

    Not going to lie , that made me chuckle.
    Look i respect your view point and if you are happy with the research you have done then please keep getting boosters until your heart stops. Sorry typo! Till your heart is content
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaferRides View Post
    What does "Do your own research" mean anyway? I can't do vaccine trials or epidemiological research on side effects. Am I meant to believe what I see on YouTube over the findings of medical research?

    Now there are some contentious issues in medicine, but in those cases the opposing viewpoints are usually held by medical professionals, not social media influencers.



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    Hey bud,

    Another great point! I guess just try and look at both sides. Try and imagine the media is the 100% correct. Also weigh up risk vs reward and see where you land.

    All the best
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    To me it means KBdope got caught posting utter rubbish then instead of fessing up up and saying he was wrong, he instead red reps then runs and hides.
    It's pretty simple that he made a false claim, that there was real data to support that the vaccine was responsible for a massive increase in heart disease
    when it turned out not only there wasn't, the actual data completely disproves that claim.
    He runs off with a few claims that "oh know we have him all wrong", "hes not a troll "etc etc... Same M.O as Dean and they both appear and disappear at the same time.
    Do your own research gets him out of having explain why he's is clearly utterly wrong, in this situation the troll resorts to blaming the source of the information, then claims people need to do their own research. slinks off looking for other victims.

    I doubt between Dean and KBdope if they have 2 posts about motorbikes in 200 posts.
    Yet appear to get a "free pass" on KB

    Look bud,

    My opinion is not utter rubbish. I have done my research and I'm happy with the opinion I have formed. I would like you to respect that.

    I am not running or hiding. You are the king of red repping bud. I have sat there and taken it and controlled my emotions. I would like you to attempt to control yours.

    I do respect your opinion. You are entitled to it. Let's act like adults here and have a debate without going off topic and creating false accusations.

    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kb2020dope View Post
    Look bud,

    My opinion is not utter rubbish. I have done my research and I'm happy with the opinion I have formed. I would like you to respect that.

    I am not running or hiding. You are the king of red repping bud. I have sat there and taken it and controlled my emotions. I would like you to attempt to control yours.

    I do respect your opinion. You are entitled to it. Let's act like adults here and have a debate without going off topic and creating false accusations.

    Thanks in advance

    Lets refresh, you claimed that the cause of the increase was clearly due the COVID vaccine
    Only it clearly isn't as the increase clearly started years before there was a COVID vaccine.
    Your "opinion" is clearly utter rubbish, its just more trolling from an obvious troll,you have not formed "an opinion" . Nor have you actually done any research.
    You haven't even done a decent job of trolling.
    Which is why you refuse to comment on the facts just launch into another deflection.
    It's clear "your opinion" is so ludicrous and so far from reality, that it is a clear troll.
    The fact is no amounts of "feigned protests "will change that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Lets refresh, you claimed that the cause of the increase was clearly due the COVID vaccine
    Only it clearly isn't as the increase clearly started years before there was a COVID vaccine.
    Your "opinion" is clearly utter rubbish, its just more trolling from an obvious troll,you have not formed "an opinion" . Nor have you actually done any research.
    You haven't even done a decent job of trolling.
    Which is why you refuse to comment on the facts just launch into another deflection.
    It's clear "your opinion" is so ludicrous and so far from reality, that it is a clear troll.
    The fact is no amounts of "feigned protests "will change that.
    Firstly I would like to congratulate you on controlling your emotions. You will notice the green reputation i have given you as a reward. We still need to work on the false accusations but one step at a time.

    Now, I'm going to ignore the false accusations and focus on staying on topic. I hope you can do the same.

    I stated that there was an increase of 50,000 emergency department admissions from pre COVID vs 2023.

    Your data that YOU provided shows 434,424 in 2020 (pre COVID vaccine) and then 492,419 in 2023 - that is an increase of 57,995.

    I figured you might pin this large increase in proportional population growth. But there's three key flaws to that argument:

    1) 2017 to 2020 (4 years) showed a consistent number between 434,000 not exceeding 446,000. With the LOWEST number in the 4th year 2020. If the ED admissions number was proportional to population growth then 2018 would have circa increased from 2017 to 453,408 (1.9% published population increase in 2018). It was actually lesser at 434,821. You can do the numbers on the rest at 1.9-2.1% growth thereafter.

    2) The increase from 2021 (vaccine rollout) to 2022 was 4% whereas the actual population growth & immigration was at an all time low (because of COVID) at 0.5%.

    3) YOY from 2021 till 2024 the increase was greater than the years published population growth %.

    Secondly,

    I stated that there was a massive increase in under 40's admitting to ED reporting heart pains. Your data that YOU provided confirms this.

    Your source mentions a big increase from 111 to 2,219 in 2019 and 4,406 in 2020. Sounds like a lot right? Circa 2,000 increase seems a lot right?
    But then you read further and see it magically jumped from 4,406 in 2020 to 13,063 end of 2021!! But of course...not all the vaccines were rolled out until later 2021. So what does 2022 look like? It gets worse - 21,416...that's an increase of 21,305 since 2017!

    So I remain correct as per your data - the massive increases, which far exceed pre COVID increases, occurred on the year of vaccine rollout and then massively climbed again by 2022 when the vaccine rollout was well established and many uptakes of booster shots.

    I would like you to please read your data next time.
    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kb2020dope View Post
    Firstly I would like to congratulate you on controlling your emotions. You will notice the green reputation i have given you as a reward. We still need to work on the false accusations but one step at a time.

    Now, I'm going to ignore the false accusations and focus on staying on topic. I hope you can do the same.

    I stated that there was an increase of 50,000 emergency department admissions from pre COVID vs 2023.

    Your data that YOU provided shows 434,424 in 2020 (pre COVID vaccine) and then 492,419 in 2023 - that is an increase of 57,995.

    I figured you might pin this large increase in proportional population growth. But there's three key flaws to that argument:

    1) 2017 to 2020 (4 years) showed a consistent number between 434,000 not exceeding 446,000. With the LOWEST number in the 4th year 2020. If the ED admissions number was proportional to population growth then 2018 would have circa increased from 2017 to 453,408 (1.9% published population increase in 2018). It was actually lesser at 434,821. You can do the numbers on the rest at 1.9-2.1% growth thereafter.

    2) The increase from 2021 (vaccine rollout) to 2022 was 4% whereas the actual population growth & immigration was at an all time low (because of COVID) at 0.5%.

    3) YOY from 2021 till 2024 the increase was greater than the years published population growth %.

    Secondly,

    I stated that there was a massive increase in under 40's admitting to ED reporting heart pains. Your data that YOU provided confirms this.

    Your source mentions a big increase from 111 to 2,219 in 2019 and 4,406 in 2020. Sounds like a lot right? Circa 2,000 increase seems a lot right?
    But then you read further and see it magically jumped from 4,406 in 2020 to 13,063 end of 2021!! But of course...not all the vaccines were rolled out until later 2021. So what does 2022 look like? It gets worse - 21,416...that's an increase of 21,305 since 2017!

    So I remain correct as per your data - the massive increases, which far exceed pre COVID increases, occurred on the year of vaccine rollout and then massively climbed again by 2022 when the vaccine rollout was well established and many uptakes of booster shots.

    I would like you to please read your data next time.
    Thanks in advance

    Your claims are utter bolllocks'
    here is your intial claim

    Very interesting statistics...Health NZ have reported a 50,000 increase in emergency department admissions from 2022-23.

    then you said this
    That's 137 more people per day going to Emergency Departments around the country compared to last year.


    Couple that with the massive increase in Kiwis under 40 presenting at EDs with chest pain and you got to ask yourself why is that?
    Yet in reality
    For example, chest pain ED visits by under 40s jumped from 111 in 2018 to 2219 in 2019, then doubled to 4406 in 2020, which is close to a 3,900% increase between 1 January 2018 and 31 December 2020
    this happened prior to COVID vaccines

    the rate of acute myocarditis actually dropped in real terms after vaccination. Again, no figures were sought or provided on mild myocarditis over this time.
    Myocarditis is up slightly to 64 cases in the 12 months to June 2024, or 0.0012% of the population compared to 0.0011% in 2018.What does all this mean?
    It means that NZ’s skyrocketing chest pain epidemic in the under 40s, with an upward trajectory of a 26000% increase over just seven years, and heading towards 29,000 cases this year, is statistically unrelated to serious myocarditis and pericarditis, which have essentially stayed static over the same time period.
    Go away and troll another forum.

    not to mention
    What are the odds of getting myocarditis after COVID?
    Over the follow-up period, myocarditis occurred in 0.21 (95% CI 0.13-0.42) out of 1000 patients surviving COVID-19 infection. Conversely, AM occurred in 0.09 (95% CI 0.07-0.12) out of 1000 control subjects. Quality assessment showed that all studies were of moderate to high quality according to the NOS scale
    The overall risk of myocarditis – inflammation of the heart muscle – is substantially higher immediately after being infected with COVID-19 than it is in the weeks following vaccination for the coronavirus, a large new study in England shows
    ps people with negative rep cant give on neg rep nor positive rep they have no rep points to give out, its neural rep as like Dean you have been neutered.
    on the subject of rep the homoerotic poems you put in the rep are pretty creepy even for you.

    ps just as I wasn't tired of showing you to be a troll
    lets look at some real science'
    The Detrimental Effect of Pre-Treatment with Ivermectin on Myocardial Ischemia
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3787...%20hypertrophy.
    In patients with long-term hydroxychloroquine use (10.5 ± 8.9 years), new onset systolic heart failure occurred in 54 of 155 patients (35%) with median cumulative ingestion of 1,493,800 ± 995,517 mg. The majority of patients improved with the withdrawal of hydroxychloroquine and standard therapy.
    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/article...dard%20therapy.



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    I got sick in Thailand and didnt enjoy the spewing, wretching and pooing so before my next trip to Asia I got all the vaccinations my Doctor suggested...
    I enjoyed my journey and didnt get sick at all.

    I am a believer in science and vaccinations.

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