New zealand refugee quota

[R650R]

Lost an interesting link but in a nutshell….
Refugees are heading to capitalist western nations in greater numbers than ever before. They are fleeing mostly socialist dictatorships in most instances.
Meanwhile some in the west think we should adopt the political systems of these other countries.
Feel free to add any capitalist/right wing nations where people are fleeing from.

[pete376403]

Lost an interesting link but in a nutshell….
Refugees are heading to capitalist western nations in greater numbers than ever before. They are fleeing mostly socialist dictatorships in most instances.
Meanwhile some in the west think we should adopt the political systems of these other countries.
Feel free to add any capitalist/right wing nations where people are fleeing from.

Maybe the dictatorships they are fleeing are not socialist, regardless of how they are named. from North Korea and down, there is little that is "socialist" about how the countries are run at the whim of one person.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe the dictatorships they are fleeing are not socialist, regardless of how they are named. from North Korea and down, there is little that is "socialist" about how the countries are run at the whim of one person.

And yet, every attempt at Socialism always ends up that way...

Curious that there is a perfect correlation (some might say even Causation) - and yet it is never Socialisms fault...

Curious, indeed.

[pete376403]

And yet, every attempt at Socialism always ends up that way...

Curious that there is a perfect correlation (some might say even Causation) - and yet it is never Socialisms fault...

Curious, indeed.

And that bastion of freedom, USA, looks like its heading exactly the same way, just a tossup if the one person is trump or musk

[TheDemonLord]

And that bastion of freedom, USA, looks like its heading exactly the same way, just a tossup if the one person is trump or musk

The idea that Musk or Trump will become dictators is (ironically) propagated by the same time of Middle Class university educated idiot who has never experienced Socialism but thinks it will solve all of their problems (AKA Journalists).

[pete376403]

The idea that Musk or Trump will become dictators is (ironically) propagated by the same time of Middle Class university educated idiot who has never experienced Socialism but thinks it will solve all of their problems (AKA Journalists).

Well we will just have to wait and see. However, given that, which ever one rises to the top of the pile, he will have the supreme court (thus the entire judiciary), the senate and the congress in his pocket. Then the multi billionaires, wishing keep what they have, will all follow along. The military of course answers to the Commander-in Chief. If that doesn't make for dictator-like power, obviously we have different definitions of the term.

[TheDemonLord]

Well we will just have to wait and see. However, given that, which ever one rises to the top of the pile, he will have the supreme court (thus the entire judiciary), the senate and the congress in his pocket. Then the multi billionaires, wishing keep what they have, will all follow along. The military of course answers to the Commander-in Chief. If that doesn't make for dictator-like power, obviously we have different definitions of the term.

Dictator-like power (voted in democratically).

Not a Dictatorship.

Bit of the ol' bait and switch going on.

[pete376403]

Dictator-like power (voted in democratically).

Not a Dictatorship.

Bit of the ol' bait and switch going on.

Less important how he gets there, more important what happens after he gets there


Stalin was elected, (According to Russian historian, Vadim Rogovin, Stalin's election to the position occurred after the Eleventh Party Congress (March–April 1922), Mussolini was elected, ( Mussolini's National List (an alliance of Catholic, liberal, and conservative political parties) used intimidation tactics against voters,[2] resulting in a landslide victory and a subsequent two-thirds majority) Hltler was elected. (The Nazi Party had risen very rapidly, from being a fringe group for much of the 1920s to becoming the second-largest party in the Reichstag in 1930. Led by Hitler, who exercised sole control over its policy and direction)

So elected into positions of dictatorship - may have started democratically but look at the end result

[R650R]

Less important how he gets there, more important what happens after he gets there



So elected into positions of dictatorship - may have started democratically but look at the end result

Well they ended up with decent roads and became an engineering and eco ionic powerhouse of the world despite losing war. And now they are falling apart under current leadership or lack of….

Democracy is just dictatorship in three year bite size pieces.

[TheDemonLord]

Less important how he gets there, more important what happens after he gets there

Stalin was elected, (According to Russian historian, Vadim Rogovin, Stalin's election to the position occurred after the Eleventh Party Congress (March–April 1922)

The fact you included this really does render your point moot.

I would have granted you Hitlers rise to power (to some degree), although I would have asked you to point to the equivalent of the Reichstag fire....

Again - the people who believe in a Political system that always ends up in a totalitarian, blood-thirsty dictatorship - are complaining about Trump becoming a Dictator.

Whereas the people that have fled those totalitarian, blood-thirsty dictatorships overwhelming support Trump as a paragon of freedom.

The irony is hilarious.

To your point specifically - Trump is hopefully going to take a sledgehammer to various elements, groups, sub-factions etc. within the US political system (similar to Jarvier Milei) - people are going to call that Dictatorial... But removing power from unelected beaurocrats and returning it the State and the People is the very antithesis of Dictatorship.

[Berries]

Lost an interesting link but in a nutshell….
Refugees are heading to capitalist western nations in greater numbers than ever before. They are fleeing mostly socialist dictatorships in most instances.
Meanwhile some in the west think we should adopt the political systems of these other countries.
Feel free to add any capitalist/right wing nations where people are fleeing from.

This one?

US searches for moving to NZ rise 2000%

[TheDemonLord]

This one?

US searches for moving to NZ rise 2000%

And how many *actually* move.

I know of one person who did move in 2017. Primarily for health related issues, but also because they hate Trump.

That is about it.

[Berries]

And how many *actually* move.

The numbers were going up then this news dropped on Reddit. Perhaps more impact than the orange one?

[R650R]

This one?

US searches for moving to NZ rise 2000%

Given that most Americans don’t know nz exists that could just be 5 fans of 4 low grade celebrities looking it up compared to one initial person 20/1.

Leaving because you don’t like someone is not fleeing, it’s moving on. No one in America is in danger from trump running the place. Any real USA refugees would only need to walk across the border to Canada for a completely different lifestyle and political system.

[Berries]

Given that most Americans don’t know nz exists that could just be 5 fans of 4 low grade celebrities looking it up compared to one initial person 20/1.

I posted it as a piss take but if you look at the link it says there were 25,000 people looking it up in one day.

They can't all be fans of Cliff Curtis.