Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[onearmedbandit]

20/1 trump implements federal hiring freeze including air controllers.
(The Regan airport only had one controller on, instead of the required two.)

Note on this one - according to reports the second ATC had been given permission to go home early before 9:30pm when they would go down to one ATC due to less traffic after this time.

I assume that would be because the 3rd soldier is not a female brown skinned trans dwarf and thus would destroy trumps dei narrative.

It was at the family's request that her name not be released.

[sugilite:Me]

Okay - first up we have the UK:

Lifetime of Governments kicking the can down the road - check.
Large swathes of the manual labour market being done by Migrants of dubious legality - check.

Is the government and everyone else clamoring to deport them - no - thus no pending labor shortage.
Not relatable to the situation in the USA

Next up NZ:

Whilst our physical distance means the problem is not as bad - there have been multiple high profile cases of mainly Indian businesses using illegal migrants and treating them terribly.

So bad actor employers confiscating their workers legal OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS and passports allowing them here and treating them badly in in no way like what is happening in the USA with mass (supposedly) deportation.

Finally - the GCC (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Dubai etc.)

Whether or not they are legal or illegal migrants is not entirely clear, but significant parts of their economy are fuelled by Migrant labour.

They are not even trying to deport these people!!! So once again - Not relatable to the situation in the USA.

I can scarcely believe I have to type this - but....
USA has near 50% undocumented workers in agriculture.
USA wants to deport them all at once.
USA has no viable plan to mitigate the undeniable carnage this policy will unleash.
The 3 points combined above are EXCLUSIVE to the USA
If you need to point to other countries largely unrelated situations to prop up your arguments, you are not operating from a position of strength. You are also very, very quickly using up sugi reply credits posting this rubbish. Anymore blatant look over theres or facetious postings when you essentially have got nothing and just cannot let go of your latest talking point - will deplete the credits to zero very, very soon.

So I put it to you that if this policy is fully implemented, it will not be the Doom-and-Gloom scenario, but you will see a growth (in real terms) of the Economy. The individual worker will be better off as there will be a high demand for labour.

So again - the farmers don't have time for half their workers to be deported, then wait until the Government sorts "something" out, then new workers can be bought into the country and hired.

I am waiting for actual analysis as to what happened.

But air safety expert trump has already released his report, or is that the trouble when you put a bombastic piece of shit in charge?

[sugilite:Me]

Note on this one - according to reports the second ATC had been given permission to go home early before 9:30pm when they would go down to one ATC due to less traffic after this time.

Rightio, ok.

It was at the family's request that her name not be released.

This actually highlights the issue perfectly.
Imagine you are this womans parents and the leader of your country has just come out blaming the crash on DEI hires. And to be clear, for the maga mob a suspect DEI hire is anyone other than a white male.
With your child not being a white male, would you want their name to be released to have repugnant magas attacking your childs memory and subjecting yourselves to maga attacks on the rest of your family as they are extremely well known to do?
By trump baseless claim blaming DEI in a cheap political stunt - he has in effect heaped a ton of extra hurt on this family. Soldiers who die outside of deployment are in essence still making the ultimate sacrifice for their country. trump has denied this family to openly acknowledge their childs sacrifice - which coming from a man who dodged the draft multiple times is particularly galling.

[onearmedbandit]

This actually highlights the issue perfectly.
Imagine you are this womans parents and the leader of your country has just come out blaming the crash on DEI hires. And to be clear, for the maga mob a suspect DEI hire is anyone other than a white male.
With your child not being a white male, would you want their name to be released to have repugnant magas attacking your childs memory and subjecting yourselves to maga attacks on the rest of your family as they are extremely well known to do?
By trump baseless claim blaming DEI in a cheap political stunt - he has in effect heaped a ton of extra hurt on this family. Soldiers who die outside of deployment are in essence still making the ultimate sacrifice for their country. trump has denied this family to openly acknowledge their childs sacrifice - which coming from a man who dodged the draft multiple times is particularly galling.

They (the army and the family) have decided to release her name now so they can openly acknowledge the loss of their "brilliant warrior" and "bright star". A good move by them I feel.

[nerrrd]

Well he’s started the trade war with his two neighbours, apparently he won’t even take Trudeau’s call at the moment, I know he’s on the way out but…blimey. On a side note, I really like how the Canadians swap from English to French so easily.

In theory the US has the bigger stick I guess, I wonder what President Trump will consider a win once this all shakes out. I mean, he doesn’t seriously think Canada is going to join the US…does he?

[sugilite:Me]

They (the army and the family) have decided to release her name now so they can openly acknowledge the loss of their "brilliant warrior" and "bright star". A good move by them I feel.

I wonder if hegsworth prompted the family to do that for his boss in order to get that all important maga created scapegoat? From the fox article about it - "Lobach’s family had initially asked for her identity to be withheld because of unsubstantiated accusations that DEI was a factor in the crash. "


From the same article announcing her name comment section - OAB this is maga in action, these 3 screen shots were just in the 1st 10 comments and I promise you there will be a lot worse if you have the stomach to look for it (I don't). Look at the like/dislike ratio for the first comment as proof of general maga ignorance in deference to their orange leader. (Fox sorted these comments by "best" hence the out of sequence timestamps - and yes you read that right - "best").
Unfortunately, I assure you there will be bunches of these arseholes looking for the families social media accounts to abuse them as I type this.

TDL can be proud of the maga movement eh. This is who they are from the top to the bottom.

[TheDemonLord]

Is the government and everyone else clamoring to deport them - no - thus no pending labor shortage.
Not relatable to the situation in the USA

Yes.

The British Population is clamoring to deport them. Something like 70-80% approval for deportation. The fact that Labour or the Conservatives failed to do that is another discussion entirely.

So bad actor employers confiscating their workers legal OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS and passports allowing them here and treating them badly in in no way like what is happening in the USA with mass (supposedly) deportation.

Not in every way possible, but there are similarities in that there are industries in NZ that are known to have a higher proportion of illegal labour working in them.

And I would wager most Kiwis would be happy to see the people who should not be working in NZ deported.

They are not even trying to deport these people!!! So once again - Not relatable to the situation in the USA.

They arent per se... But let me put it this way, if Illegal Workers had the same 'rights' (or lack thereof) that Migrant workers had in the GCC, I dont think we would see the same problems.

So, whilst not directly comparable, there are elements that are similar.

I can scarcely believe I have to type this - but....
USA has near 50% undocumented workers in agriculture.
USA wants to deport them all at once.
USA has no viable plan to mitigate the undeniable carnage this policy will unleash.
The 3 points combined above are EXCLUSIVE to the USA
If you need to point to other countries largely unrelated situations to prop up your arguments, you are not operating from a position of strength. You are also very, very quickly using up sugi reply credits posting this rubbish. Anymore blatant look over theres or facetious postings when you essentially have got nothing and just cannot let go of your latest talking point - will deplete the credits to zero very, very soon.

So again - the farmers don't have time for half their workers to be deported, then wait until the Government sorts "something" out, then new workers can be bought into the country and hired.

The problem is that you have the historical precedent of Slavery. The USA went from a position of nearly 100% free labour, to having to pay for that labour. The Agricultural sector did not collapse. Prices didnt exponentially rise.

All the consequences that you put forward as being catastrophic, did not occur.

Furthermore - before Abolition - many people made the same arguments, that the industry couldnt cope with the sudden changes and other doom and gloom predictions.

Now - for a more measured response, there are some points that I think have validity - that if the deportations are hyper-successful (every Republicans fevered wet dreams) then there would be a temporary shortage of labour, which would necessitate hiring contractors who could potentially price gouge, causing short term pricing shocks... However, this would unlikely to be passed onto consumers because most produce in the US is sold to a handful of entities (which is another problem in-of-itself) which dictate the prices to Farmers (similar to NZ and how Turners and Growers, FreshMax and the other one control most of the fruit purchasing).

However - I dont think the Deportations are going to be efficient enough to cause 11 million people to disapear overnight.

So, hypothetically - if one farm is raided and half the workforce is illegal, they all get deported - that Farm will have to hire contractors and take the hit temporarily, but all the other Farms are going to be fine - the price shock and the economic shock will be mitigated.

Furthermore - as people are deported - there are a lower domestic demand for products, goods and services - allowing more of the produce to be exported to higher-paying markets, which will go some distance to offset the costs. Afterall, if everyone goes back to their home countries, they are going to have to eat food in their home countries and it is unlikely that those countries are going to be able to crank up production in the short term.

To conclude - whilst my retort may seem flippant, there is a historical precedent and there are a range of factors that weight against the argument that it will cause wide-spread economic devastation.

However.... If you sincerely believe that Trump and his team will be efficient and competent enough to deport a significant number of them overnight...

But air safety expert trump has already released his report, or is that the trouble when you put a bombastic piece of shit in charge?

Again, I will wait for the air crash analysis before commenting. That said, there is lots to undo and it will take time to undo it.

[onearmedbandit]

OAB this is maga in action, these 3 screen shots were just in the 1st 10 comments and I promise you there will be a lot worse if you have the stomach to look for it (I don't). Look at the like/dislike ratio for the first comment as proof of general maga ignorance in deference to their orange leader. I'm sorry, but I assure you there will be bunches of these arseholes looking for the families social media accounts to abuse them as I type this.

Wait I think you've mistakenly assumed I'm defending Trump etc. All I was doing was giving reasons behind a couple of points you raised where I thought clarity was needed. My opinion on this is along the lines of Trump should stop stoking fires especially when there are lives lost. He shouldn't be commenting on causes yet, because there is no official cause publicly released yet and by doing so he's creating hype and speculation that is most certainly harmful to many people.

In other words, stop thinking about himself and let people who know what they're doing/talking about get on with it. But that won't happen because Trump.

[sugilite:Me]

They arent per se... But let me put it this way, (and more twaddle)

Credits expired.

[sugilite:Me]

In other words, stop thinking about himself and let people who know what they're doing/talking about get on with it. But that won't happen because Trump.

Yeah, unfortunately decency is not in his DNA.

[JimO]

the grifters with their hands out, as you call them, are his coalition partners. Who need to not only fuck right off but do so after a hard kick in the nuts.

i was thinking more along the lines of anyone getting taxpayers money for climate change tax and the cunts that no doubt will be protesting next thursday

[sugilite:Me]

Magas dead head ted cruz attacks nz with fake news - good grief

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360...eli-visa-claim

[pritch]

Trump's attitude to DEI and his insistence that the best people be appointed to the job is ironic considering the absolutely unqualified cretins he's appointing to his cabinet.

Anyone who took the position that Trump could be unaware of Project 2025 is looking pretty silly now that the authors all have top Jobs in his administration and he immediately followed the programme right from Day 1. That'd be the programme that he was allegedly unaware of?

[TheDemonLord]

Magas dead head ted cruz attacks nz with fake news - good grief

https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/360...eli-visa-claim

Well... Hold your horses for a second.

A Reputable News outlet posts a story containing two claims:

- There is a Genocide Hotline in NZ (which is true - Socialist John Minto has set this up - also head of the PPTA...)
- NZ changed Visa requirements based on IDF service.

The second claim is where it gets interesting - I cannot see the original article on Haaretz (Paywall) - but this article discusses it and a quick cross-reference seems to back it up:

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/glo...rs/2025/02/02/

Scroll down to the bit where it says "Reality according to Gilroy" - Seems some Israelis were denied a Visa - with the official statement being:

The declined visitor visa applications we have identified for Israeli nationals have been because the applicants did not demonstrate that they meet the standard requirements to show that they are genuine applicants, such as providing proof of ties to their home country, reasons for their stay, or evidence of their travel plans.

Is it outside the realm of possibility that Haaretz got a report from some ticket off Israelis who were turned away at the border who said it was because of their IDF status?

Do you think it is outside the realm of possibility that someone working in Immigration, when looking at a 50/50 case where it is their judgement as to whether to allow or deny a Visa might have their opinion swayed by strong views on the Israel-Palestine conflict?

Now - to be clear - the fault lies with the news outlet for publishing rage-bait and not doing sufficient fact checking and yes, Ted Cruz also deserves ridicule for shooting first and asking questions later.

However - there is a reasonable view that he would have seen the Haaretz article and the Times of Israel article and reasonably believed it to be true.

So whilst this is a bit of an L for Ted, it is not the glaringly obvious fail which you are making it out to be.

TL;DR - Journalists of all stripes are dirty dirty smear merchants and you should treat all breaking stories with a grain of salt.

[sugilite:Me]

Trump's attitude to DEI and his insistence that the best people be appointed to the job is ironic considering the absolutely unqualified cretins he's appointing to his cabinet.

Anyone who took the position that Trump could be unaware of Project 2025 is looking pretty silly now that the authors all have top Jobs in his administration and he immediately followed the programme right from Day 1. That'd be the programme that he was allegedly unaware of?

Yep, like most trump stances, it is just a coverall cudgel to keep blaming the dems for everything - and as you can see from my posts of the fox comments above, his knuckle dragging base will keep lapping those lies up. His selections make a mockery of the "based on merit". What a bunch of wankers.

I watched about 5 minutes of that patel guy lying through his teeth to the senate insisting he did not say the things they were accusing him off, and in every denial there is youtube video proof of him saying exactly those things. This is the guy in the department that is supposed to deal in truth. The only people that think the FBI is corrupt are the same people celebrating trump not facing justice through a broken US justice system that allows wealthy people to indefinitely delay justice. The republican party truly is dead, it is just the maga moron party of lies now.

And the musk thing, it is unconscionable for the single largest recipient of government contracts and the single largest maga election campaign donor to have any hand in government spending. It is the largest single conflict of interest I have ever seen.
Can you imagine if the dems had placed soros front and centre then made up a government department just for him? The magas heads would of exploded. But when they do it with musk, it is somehow all good.
To me, clearly musks mask is slipping badly. I'm sure by the time he is done, he will of done a lot more harm to humanity than the good he has done thus far. And that is a real shame he has let politics corrupt and derail him.

Oh yeah, both trump and biden have shown the power of pardons need to be withdrawn from the presidential arsenal of tools. Both sides just abuse it.