Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[pritch]

The Trump /Musk break up is getting ugly. Musk says the reason it's taking so long to release the Epstein files is that Trump features large. Most people would have assumed that already but confirmation is always nice.

[R650R]

The Trump /Musk break up is getting ugly. Musk says the reason it's taking so long to release the Epstein files is that Trump features large. Most people would have assumed that already but confirmation is always nice.

Just read that news too. Not defending Trump but I’d say there’s a lot of big names that would have been in that circle but absent witnesses we’ll never know what level of knowledge they had.

Musk has kinda thrown himself under the bus, because he’s just admitting to knowing about this information and only used it to his own benefit when he’s not getting his own way. No one’s going to trust him in business circles if he’s gonna throw dirt when deals go sour.

Popcorn time for sure

[pritch]

Just read that news too. Not defending Trump but I’d say there’s a lot of big names that would have been in that circle but absent witnesses we’ll never know what level of knowledge they had.

There was a govt inquiry into Epstein and that's what the MAGA people want released. They imagine it will incriminate Democrats. It may incriminate Democrats but likely the name most featured other than Epstein is Trump. Which will be why the information is still not forthcoming as promised.

Things are still heating up, Steve Bannon has called for Elon Musk to be deported.

[sugilite:Me]

There was a govt inquiry into Epstein and that's what the MAGA people want released. They imagine it will incriminate Democrats.

Maga and critical thinking are forever divorced, behold the first comment on fox news over musks trump/epstein confirmation.



Yep, 340 dumb arse magas have not considered the dems will have a load of their own on that list

Things are still heating up, Steve Bannon has called for Elon Musk to be deported.

If I were one of those South African white refuges escaping the "white genocide" I would not be unpacking my suitcases just yet.

I wonder how our resident trump/musk fanboi is taking this breakup?

Add musks name to the already exceedingly long list of dimwits who thought trump would have their back

[Laava]

No! Trump and Elon are awesome! In a WWF kinda way! Trump has the speech down pat!
But yeah, you'd have to be seriously retarded/easily brainwashed to imagine that either of these clowns were ever going to be good for a nation.

[sugilite:Me]

Trumps administration - the most corrupt in history.

[Pursang]

[pritch]

Interesting. Farming operations in red states rely on undocumented immigrants in the thousands. So ICE is raiding court houses in LA, arresting people who are endeavouring to obtain legal status by the proper means. Hardly the hardened criminals famed cuckold Stephen Miller keeps ranting about. Naturally the citizens of LA have protested. Trump has ordered the National Guard to deploy. The power to deploy the Guard belongs with the Governor of California, not the president. There is an act of Congress specifically forbidding this exact situation. Pete Kegbreath reportedly wants to deploy the US Marines in LA. Again unlawfull.

Apparently we now have a race between the courts ordering the troops withdrawn and Trump declaring Martial Law. Even if he can't spell it.

It seemed to me that the Democrats were always unduly optimistic about the mid term elections. If martial law is declared, King Trump can probably postpone the elections.

I'll have to start listening to stateside constitutional experts again to fully understand the ramifications. Meanwhile we await developments with bated breath.

[TheDemonLord]

So ICE is raiding court houses in LA, arresting people who are endeavouring to obtain legal status by the proper means.

Trying to do it by the proper means would mean leaving the USA, going back to where they are a Citizen or Legal Resident, then applying for the correct residency Visa.

As for LA - well, California has the highest proportion of Illegal Migrants - so it stands to reason that this is why ICE would be targetting California.

[R650R]

Just imagine if undocumented migrants were wealthy through some miracle discovery in their homeland. Suddenly the same people defending them would be trying to keep out the wealthy colonisers…
I wonder how many of these people leave their doors unlocked gates open and welcome any stranger into their home to stay indefinitely…
Just imagine if Putin had the foresight to send his troops westwards with suitcases and blankets en masse instead of guns and called it the Special Undocumented Migration Operation. A giant SUMO wrestler mass of people just stopping by indefinitely….

[pritch]

Trying to do it by the proper means would mean leaving the USA, going back to where they are a Citizen or Legal Resident, then applying for the correct residency Visa.

As for LA - well, California has the highest proportion of Illegal Migrants - so it stands to reason that this is why ICE would be targetting California.

Wrong on the first, that's just the gospel according to MAGA. Probably wrong on the second too. There is no intellectual reason for what is happening, it is motivated purely by hate.

[TheDemonLord]

Wrong on the first, that's just the gospel according to MAGA. Probably wrong on the second too. There is no intellectual reason for what is happening, it is motivated purely by hate.

I think as an Immigrant to another country, I might know a thing or two about the Immigration process.

If they are already in the country with a valid temporary Visa, going for their Green Card (Permanent Residency Visa) - then they have nothing to fear.

In almost all cases - One has to apply for a temporary Visa before entering the country.

There is a Change of Status process - but this more for exceptional circumstances - e.g. I was lawfully in the USA on Holiday (not an Illegal Migrant) and I was headhunted by a US Company for a job that was too good to pass up and they needed a start ASAP.

And no, I do not believe that they are all valid Asylum seekers.

Sauce

California and Texas remained the leading states for undocumented immigrant populations in 2022, accounting for 42 percent of the 10.99 million U.S. total, a Newsweek map shows.

California had 2.6 million unauthorized immigrants, while Texas had 2.1 million.

So correct on the second one - which means there is very much an intellectual reason for this being done - namely you go to where the problem is the most prevalent.

I will grant that since California is a Demorat state and opposes this, there is an element of Political Theatre - But that opens up a whole load of other questions.

[pritch]

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If they are already in the country with a valid temporary Visa, going for their Green Card (Permanent Residency Visa) - then they have nothing to fear.


Not so. Even citizens are being trafficked. The word deported is not appropriate in the circumstances.

Notwithstanding that even you don't believe much of what you post. There is no path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the US. You confused that with legal status. Illegal immigrants may become legal immigrants which is why they would be attending court hearings.

Don't try and intellectualise any of this Stephen Miller just hates brown people. It's just that simple. He is especially angry at the moment because it seems his bride has left him for Elon Musk. Katie evidently has abysmal taste in blokes.

Trump simply wants vengeance against Democrats. He recently threatened to cut federal funding to California. Ironic because most federal funding comes from the likes of California and New York. The red states mostly exist on federal welfare.

Some states would likely have a higher proportion of illegal immigrants. Their major industries rely on them. Intensive farming and meat packing plants are almost entirely staffed by undocumented immigrants. It would be easy to round them up but catastrophic to the local economy. Even Trump's golf courses rely on immigrant labour to a large extent.

Anyhoo you will believe what you choose as will I.

[pritch]

In case anyone was wondering what Trump did to deserve the gift of a flying whorehouse jet from Qatar. President Zelensky of Ukraine has announced that shipments of US anti aircraft defences intended for Ukraine have been diverted to the Middle East.

[TheDemonLord]

Not so. Even citizens are being trafficked. The word deported is not appropriate in the circumstances.

Eh.... The most recent case I can think of where a so-called 'Citizen' was Deported... Turns out they were not a Citizen at all. And had gone through 2 court processes that ordered Deportation.

Of course, there are dependents - but they aren't being 'Deported' as such, they are remaining with their legal guardian (who is being deported)

There is no path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the US.

Yes there is, Leave the country and then apply properly.... Like everyone else.

You confused that with legal status. Illegal immigrants may become legal immigrants which is why they would be attending court hearings.

Which would be a Change of Status. Most often this is via Asylum - but very rarely successful. Most of them know they do not meet the Legal requirements to be a Legal Immigrant - that's why they entered Illegally in the first place.

Don't try and intellectualise any of this Stephen Miller just hates brown people.

I disagree. Putting aside various Economic and Social arguments - the key crux that I hear from many Republicans is this: They broke the Law and should not be here - removing them from the US and returning them to where they came from is Justice - it is the right thing to do.

The fact that we have come to the point in Western Politics where we no longer have a consensus around Legal vs Illegal Migration is absurd to me - even more so that there are many elements where an actual discussion could be had.

Trump simply wants vengeance against Democrats. He recently threatened to cut federal funding to California. Ironic because most federal funding comes from the likes of California and New York. The red states mostly exist on federal welfare.

Maybe he does.

Although I am reminded of another instance where a Republican President had to mobilize the Military to enforce federal rules on a Democratic State and Democrat Governor who was openly trying to defy them.

Just a thought...