RUC's for all road vehicles, this will be fun.

[sugilite:Me]

I’ve heard someone supposedly involved in the consultation process mention physical transponders being installed on vehicles, that’s going to open up a whole new can of worms.

Listening to Bishop talking last night, right at the end of the video it was clear to me that gps transponders could be the only way the system could work because he mentioned that the system would know what roads you were on and what time you were on said roads, which I took to mean they will bring in heavier rates for rush hour times for certain roads - and the only way they could possibly do that is gps transponders. (same goes for sending the bill laterz - transponders is the only way)
Which means the government will know exactly when and where you go and how long it took you to get there and how long you stayed - and what speed you were doing. Anyhoo, as people data is worth a lot of money, you can bet the government will absolutely be selling it to third parties - likely prioritizing their rich mates/donors. The fact Bishop says that only private providers could possibly provide a service like this is to me basically admitting his government is too incompetent to do the job they were elected to do.

[HenryDorsetCase]

The biggest problem is the vacuum of information. Especially in regard to how it will be applied.

Leaving us all to speculate about how they will implement it, how we can minimise it, or even avoid it. It's going to be quite fun.

It's going to be a couple of years before most of these answers are available.

number plates and rear view mirrors. optional extras for the weak minded. We libertarians have decided not to participate in any of that stuff.

[rastuscat]

number plates and rear view mirrors. optional extras for the weak minded. We libertarians have decided not to participate in any of that stuff.

I do rather envy the freedom I perceive that you libertarians have, when you are not running the library.

My reality is cognitive dissonance. I am just far too compliant for my own happiness.

Which is exactly what society relies on: that most opf us will grumble about things, but just get on with being complaint as it's less hassle than resisting.

Most people get a WoF, some don't. In the same way, most will just suck up whatever comes our way with RUC, and get on with it.

[jim.cox]

The fact Bishop says that only private providers could possibly provide a service like this

Marginally True, if we look at the history of such great systems successes like INCIS and IRD. But then Fujitsu did f*ck up the British Post Office so there is NO guarantee

is to me basically admitting his government is too incompetent to do the job they were elected to do.

Incompetent? Absolutely.
And no leadership what-so-ever

But they can still give their mates rich jobs and even richer data.
Palantir will be rubbing their hands at this one, eRoad is already in there and I'm sure the big four accounting companies will be hoping for a slice of consultant pie

[R650R]

I’ve heard someone supposedly involved in the consultation process mention physical transponders being installed on vehicles, that’s going to open up a whole new can of worms.

What problems do you see????

The technology tools are already well proven in other countries via electronic toll collection and anti theft trackers not to mention phone tracking apps like Strava.

Maybe related maybe not but my town getting brand new street lights again only 4-5 years after the others went in. There black instead of silver but have same additional sensor/trabsmitter/beacon??? on top of them….

[sugilite:Me]

What problems do you see????

The technology tools are already well proven in other countries via electronic toll collection and anti theft trackers not to mention phone tracking apps like Strava.

Maybe related maybe not but my town getting brand new street lights again only 4-5 years after the others went in. There black instead of silver but have same additional sensor/trabsmitter/beacon??? on top of them….

I see plenty of problems with privacy, our data being sold. And every pollies wet dream will be along at some point - an immobilizer to go with the transponder. Have not paid a parking ticket in a timely manner, whammo immobilized and so on. Naturally they won't do that for civilian fines like from the small claims court, pollies only give a fuck if it is money for them to get their grubby mitts on.

[F5 Dave]

Strolled past Bishop on my lunchtime walk parked in his car.

Didn't knock on his window to ask silly questions but thinking of some now.

I saw on Stuff some AA mouthpiece stating the two winners are boat owners (true why do they pay for road upkeep?. Conversely who pays the expensive rescues?)
. . And multiple vehicle owners.

. . . because they will only pay for distance travelled, not when they fill up.

. . . Oh dear. Bet he's regretting opening his dumbarse. But why did the journalist not question him and run the story making them look stoopid by association?

[nerrrd]

What problems do you see????

The technology tools are already well proven in other countries via electronic toll collection and anti theft trackers not to mention phone tracking apps like Strava.

Maybe related maybe not but my town getting brand new street lights again only 4-5 years after the others went in. There black instead of silver but have same additional sensor/trabsmitter/beacon??? on top of themÂ….

Ummm, just maintaining and storing an accurate, 24/7/365 data retrieval service for millions of individual vehicles in real time seems like a pretty big task, let alone keeping that system and data secure against hackers in the age of AI. Seems like a whole different order of difficulty to monitoring occasional toll road useage or thefts. And at what cost?

It all smacks of the government going to a bunch of IT consultants and asking “can you do this?” and them saying “sure we can, and would you like it to make you a cup of tea as well?”

If it were me, I wouldn’t give them a cent until they’ve got a system up and running and providing accurate, verifiable results.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I do rather envy the freedom I perceive that you libertarians have, when you are not running the library.

My reality is cognitive dissonance. I am just far too compliant for my own happiness.

Which is exactly what society relies on: that most opf us will grumble about things, but just get on with being complaint as it's less hassle than resisting.

Most people get a WoF, some don't. In the same way, most will just suck up whatever comes our way with RUC, and get on with it.

All you need is an American flag with a yellow fringe, and to mumble words like "corporation" and "living man"* and alltaxation is theft. stuff like that. Also dont be coming after me with that vaccine needle. Im happy over here having polio and diptheria and measles and meningococcus.

The thing with this is it will be just like the ACC changes. A lot (A LOT) of whinging and no action and your political class will run roughshod over it. I think it is time to share the greatest meme in the history of meme making.


*PS - its always a man.

[jim.cox]

If it were me, I wouldn’t give them a cent until they’ve got a system up and running and providing accurate, verifiable results.

eRoad do have a surveillance system that works right now

shares in them look good to me

but I'm probably too late for the insider trading

[R650R]

I see plenty of problems with privacy, our data being sold. And every pollies wet dream will be along at some point - an immobilizer to go with the transponder. Have not paid a parking ticket in a timely manner, whammo immobilized and so on. Naturally they won't do that for civilian fines like from the small claims court, pollies only give a fuck if it is money for them to get their grubby mitts on.

And just like that all us conspiracy theorists proven right aye????

Data/privacy, seriously there is none anymore except perhaps for the old age pensioner living in flat close to shops and paying cash for most things.
The rest of us long ago signed away our privacy by either not reading the terms and conditions of various online service providers or not being worried about it.
Don’t worry a bit more outcry about privacy and we get a digital ID system like the Chinese have.

I’m
No great fan of all that but the writings been on the wall for a long time. And the Covid experience showed how willing the general populace and businesses were willing to do anything the govt said was the new way of doing things.

[R650R]

Ummm, just maintaining and storing an accurate, 24/7/365 data retrieval service for millions of individual vehicles in real time seems like a pretty big task, let alone keeping that system and data secure against hackers in the age of AI. Seems like a whole different order of difficulty to monitoring occasional toll road useage or thefts. And at what cost?

It all smacks of the government going to a bunch of IT consultants and asking “can you do this?” and them saying “sure we can, and would you like it to make you a cup of tea as well?”

If it were me, I wouldn’t give them a cent until they’ve got a system up and running and providing accurate, verifiable results.

Data storage/AI is the oil boom/gold rush of our time. ALL of the technology to do this exists on the shelf and is easy. The Free Strava app accurately records pushbike rides on forest trails via phone for many years now.
A small dedicated device the size of a credit card maybe thicker for battery is all that will be needed.

Let’s not forget our local petrol retailers been pushing these phone based apps for petrol payment so you don’t have to go in store. Wouldn’t take much for APP to be expanded to include distance billing.Youd enter your odometer reading every time and rego like anyone whose used a company fuel card does.
That would provide a baseline reference at WOF time for compliance check. AI anslysis will uncover fraud and report rego for enforcement/investigation actions.

[jellywrestler]

I’ve heard someone supposedly involved in the consultation process mention physical transponders being installed on vehicles, that’s going to open up a whole new can of worms.

yip, for all of the riders whose bikes are on hold who will get a fright

[nerrrd]

It’s so easy, and yet no system currently exists that tracks a country’s entire national vehicle fleet (according to Google). Time will tell.

[sugilite:Me]

It’s so easy, and yet no system currently exists that tracks a country’s entire national vehicle fleet (according to Google). Time will tell.

I acknowledge I may be missing your point, but this is a whole new system and what Bishop described simply cannot be done with out gps tracking.