Secret trials begin in NZ?

[Drew]

Poetry too? Well fuck me all to hell.

I'm a terrorist
On a French hit list
Now I live in the land of bliss
And I'm taking the piss
Now I should get the gist
And fuck off back to where I came from.

Now THAT'S poetry! Bling sent[smilie=2,2,19]

[SPman]

Yeah I suppose being part of an extremist Islamic group that assassinated the
Algerian president would make you bit of a refugee wouldn't it. -Extremist. Are you sure???
Wake up dude. There are baddies in the world and they want in here and will massage the system to do so. - all those Poms that keep sneaking in....:whistle Will NZ suffer if he's given the boot? Nah didn't think so. Will NZ suffer if he stays? Maybe, even probably. -

Zaoui was an academic who got into politics almost by mistake He is a Muslim Nationalist, who wanted to help turn Algeria into an Islamic democracy grounded in Algerian values and history. He is certainly not a fundamentalist - but that seems to become lost these days, as "the West" all embrace the American fear, that all Muslims who hold to Islamic principals, are somehow linked to Al Quaida and want to storm the bastions of truth, justice and the American way!!!
My eyes are wide open - baddies want in? There are enough of our own already here to go on with, they are not a specific muslim import, but if you don't take a good look at all sides of a situation, how will you know, just who the real baddies are and who are just made out to be such - naivete works both ways!

...."In 1994, Zaoui helped organize the so called “Rome Platform” peace conference that aimed to broker a solution to the Algerian crisis, and entailed Zaoui working in unison with the San Egidio Catholic community in Rome. In fact, Zaoui had only been wooed into joining the FIS by people that he had known at the University of Algiers, in an effort to lend the party greater moral authority and spiritual coherence. “I won’t say I opposed the FIS,”.......

....."Even after Zaoui went into exile, the likes of US deputy secretary of State Mark Parris were making a clear policy distinction between the Islamic fundamentalists in Algeria, and the FIS leadership group to which Zaoui belonged in Europe."

...."In an April 1994 speech, Parris noted that “ There is no evidence indicating that the FIS leadership abroad is currently in any way controlling the activities of those groups who have claimed responsibility for the [terrorist] acts referred to.”

A good background series of articles (from which most of the quotes came from), looking at both sides of the arguement can be found here.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00174.htm,
for anyone bothered. (but I'm not holding my breath)

Personally, I think the handling of this entire debacle is an indication of what our government, and, to a lesser extent our society, is REALLY like - and open, honest, fair and transparent in all dealings, is NOT where they are at. If you allow secret testimony, detention without charge or trial and more, to become acceptable, without the fundamental right of a man to face his accusers and defend himself, then yet another step down the path to a totalitarian regime has been achieved.
Become scared sheep in a mindless flock, voting for a smiling wolf and, ultimately, you deserve everything you get.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I say that all of those sandal wearing poncho draped hairy armpitted lesbian vegetarian professional student anti-smacking bill supporting neighbourhood watch group organising do gooders, that insist on living on, and forcing upon every body else, a set of idealogical bullshit values derived from some fantasy world, who protest for the sake of protesting without any real factual knowledge of the situation at hand should just fuck off.

good grief!

surely it is a reflection of the weakness of your argument that you have to characterise your opponents thus? If your counter argument was stronger, then it would not need to be bolstered by this particularly vitriolic attack?

in terms you might understand: You're playing the man, not the ball. Kindly desist.

[jimbo600]

Zaoui was an academic who got into politics almost by mistake He is a Muslim Nationalist, who wanted to help turn Algeria into an Islamic democracy grounded in Algerian values and history. He is certainly not a fundamentalist - but that seems to become lost these days, as "the West" all embrace the American fear, that all Muslims who hold to Islamic principals, are somehow linked to Al Quaida and want to storm the bastions of truth, justice and the American way!!!
My eyes are wide open - baddies want in? There are enough of our own already here to go on with, they are not a specific muslim import, but if you don't take a good look at all sides of a situation, how will you know, just who the real baddies are and who are just made out to be such - naivete works both ways!

There are some excellent points here and this thread is becoming good indeed. The West does have a xenophobic attitude to Muslims. This is both unfortunate and unavoidable. Every Muslim nation has conflicts on its borders. The extreme element believe the crusades are still occurring and want to re-establish the Ottoman Empire to its glory days. 80% of moderate Muslims in the UK, and thats not the AQ ones, sympathise with the tube bombers and AQ. The FIS in Algeria wanted to instill sharia law, and that didn't fit in well with the incumbent democratic system. Zaoui was a supporter of this transition. However, you are right. NZ has bungled this whole affair in that Zaoui should not have made it onto NZ soil in the first place.

[Drew]

Right, way too many terms in here I dont understand, so if you guys wanna stop trying to prove your IQ, get your cocks out and find someone to measure to determine the big fella.

In the case of Jimbo, dont bother, Kath said you were the long lost son of Mr Ed in that department.




















NOT

[jimbo600]

Right, way too many terms in here I dont understand, so if you guys wanna stop trying to prove your IQ, get your cocks out and find someone to measure to determine the big fella.

In the case of Jimbo, dont bother, Kath said you were the long lost son of Mr Ed in that department.

NOT

Ol' Mr Blue Vein pleases me plenty mate and thats all that matters.

As for the rest, well its all cut and paste from the 'net. I don't know what it means either. Something about xylophones I think?

[Toaster]

Well said Drew. Good to see a different perspective on the most boring thread I have read all day.

[Chrislost]

Zaoui was an academic who got into politics almost by mistake He is a Muslim Nationalist, who wanted to help turn Algeria into an Islamic democracy grounded in Algerian values and history. He is certainly not a fundamentalist - but that seems to become lost these days, as "the West" all embrace the American fear, that all Muslims who hold to Islamic principals, are somehow linked to Al Quaida and want to storm the bastions of truth, justice and the American way!!!
My eyes are wide open - baddies want in? There are enough of our own already here to go on with, they are not a specific muslim import, but if you don't take a good look at all sides of a situation, how will you know, just who the real baddies are and who are just made out to be such - naivete works both ways!



A good background series of articles (from which most of the quotes came from), looking at both sides of the arguement can be found here.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00174.htm,
for anyone bothered. (but I'm not holding my breath)

Personally, I think the handling of this entire debacle is an indication of what our government, and, to a lesser extent our society, is REALLY like - and open, honest, fair and transparent in all dealings, is NOT where they are at. If you allow secret testimony, detention without charge or trial and more, to become acceptable, without the fundamental right of a man to face his accusers and defend himself, then yet another step down the path to a totalitarian regime has been achieved.
Become scared sheep in a mindless flock, voting for a smiling wolf and, ultimately, you deserve everything you get.

if you read the qur'an then you will see that it clearly states that there are muslems and there are everyone else, and if you convert/kill everyone else you get a few virgins

[Drew]

Ol' Mr Blue Vein pleases me plenty mate and thats all that matters.

As for the rest, well its all cut and paste from the 'net. I don't know what it means either. Something about xylophones I think?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Well said, I've got no come back...

I can pronounce xylophone tho, so this thread is moving in the right direction at least.

[HenryDorsetCase]

if you read the qur'an then you will see that it clearly states that there are muslems and there are everyone else, and if you convert/kill everyone else you get a few virgins

red rep me you wanker and call me a hippy muppet. Oh, wait, you did. Dickwad.

[Shadows]

good grief!

surely it is a reflection of the weakness of your argument that you have to characterise your opponents thus? If your counter argument was stronger, then it would not need to be bolstered by this particularly vitriolic attack?

in terms you might understand: You're playing the man, not the ball. Kindly desist.

I resent the implication that I am incapable of understanding multisyllabic words. It is simply my personal choice to use plain English in general conversation rather than to unnecessarily baffle others with verbose bullshit when the conversation is clearly not in any specific technical context.

I will not desist in "playing the man, not the ball" as I firmly believe that the "man" in this case consists of a bunch of ill-informed busybody PC hippies who need to STFU. If they want to save the world, then they should go and do something that is actually useful, like planting trees or something.

[RON SOAK]

I will not desist in "playing the man, not the ball" as I firmly believe that the "man" in this case consists of a bunch of ill-informed busybody PC hippies who need to STFU. If they want to save the world, then they should go and do something that is actually useful, like planting trees or something.

As opposed to a ill informed redneck bigot who needs to STFU and get back to work wacking coons!

[avgas]

At the end of the day, I have one simple question:
If life has been so hard for him, why hasn't he killed himself yet?
Its not like its against his religion or nothing.
Its pretty obvious to me that life is easy for him.

[Shadows]

As opposed to a ill informed redneck bigot who needs to STFU and get back to work wacking coons!

You're right. I do.

[Chrislost]

red rep me you wanker and call me a hippy muppet. Oh, wait, you did. Dickwad.

oh shit, tht was supposta say POS hippy