Bloody tenants - Advice needed!!

[Patrick]

You got more patience than I will ever have, Patrick

Firearms Training on Tuesday... wonder if I could get them to "stand just over there..."

Suck!!
As a tenent myself I just dont understand how people can do that! I wouldnt dream of not paying my rent, thats always top priority.

GOod luck, unfortunatly tennency is not a specialty of mine

Good on ya, a roof over your head I would have thought was fairly damned important... Like you, I can't understand how they can do it... At an educated guess, drugs are probably the problem, but only smelt a bit of Dak once, way before they knew what I do for a job...

Tenancy was not a specialty of mine either... but now.... thanks to awesome advice on here (thanks people.. you know who you are!!! ) and some minor experience in this field, and from all the hoops I have since had to jump through to get this crap sorted... I could now be a damn near expert!!!

[Chickadee]

Sounds like you need to get a trailer and dump their shit at their new doss at the Caravan park, at least you'll be able to get new good tenants in once your flat's completely vacated. No point throwing good money after bad, keep persuing them for money's owed, and get some goodens in to that nice pad of yours. You deserve some good tenants after all this shit!

[KATWYN]

Sounds like you need to get a trailer and dump their shit at their new doss

I've heard exactly that done before too. Totally inconveniences them so they get to feel what its like. "Hey what do you think you are doing!?" and theres not a darn thing they can do about it. Its their stuff being "delivered" to their new dwellings

Hey you are doing them a favour too - no cartage fee

Just make absolutely certain it IS actually their dwelling. They can get clever and mislead where they live

[Patrick]

I figure once they realise I am seeking possession of the stuff left there, they will pick it up quick smart... Don't worry, have a trailer ready to deliver any rubbish for free right on their doorstep at their new CONFIRMED address. I was actually hoping thier car may be mysteriously found unlocked so I can put it in there then, to keep it out of the rain of course, just in case there was something valuable in those rubbish bags...

[soundbeltfarm]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

[KATWYN]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

If you can't legally "drop off" somebodies own "stuff" at their own home.......then I am beginning to believe we really do live in a nanny state .

[Mom]

Believe it or not, you are not allowed to removed a tenants possessions from the property without the leave of the tenancy tribunal. I have known cases where an order was made to remove possessions into secure storage (at the landlords expense I might add). After many months of storage and no sign that this tenant is about to retrieve them, a request was made to dump them. Yes another $20 application fee.

My advice, get a "decent" property manager, take out landlords protection insurance, dont do it yourself.

[Patrick]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

Its their stuff... that it is maggoty rubbish, pooey nappies, whatever, it is their stuff... let the bloweys loose on their arse...

[Patrick]

Believe it or not, you are not allowed to removed a tenants possessions from the property without the leave of the tenancy tribunal. I have known cases where an order was made to remove possessions into secure storage (at the landlords expense I might add). After many months of storage and no sign that this tenant is about to retrieve them, a request was made to dump them. Yes another $20 application fee.

My advice, get a "decent" property manager, take out landlords protection insurance, dont do it yourself.

You can place it into safe storage, yes... at your own expense, but if they ask for it back, you have to release it...

It pisses me off that their stuff is in MY garage, WITHOUT MY AUTHORITY, and I have to look after it, while they don't pay any rent...?

What if I deliver it to the adjudicators house, without her authority and shove it in her garage? I bet it would be gone by lunchtime tomorrow....if not sooner.

Every step seems to cost $$$... my dollars, and you can't seek these application fees back either. THAT is what gets up me.... The system sucks for landlords in that point alone....

[Pussy]

Wanna hand to "move" some stuff, Patrick? While the weather is crappy, I would be available.
Honestly, mate, you have the patience of Job, I don't know how you do it. Whenever we used to rent, we would ALWAYS treat the place with total care.
Keep us updated

[Patrick]

Wanna hand to "move" some stuff, Patrick? While the weather is crappy, I would be available.
Honestly, mate, you have the patience of Job, I don't know how you do it. Whenever we used to rent, we would ALWAYS treat the place with total care.
Keep us updated

Thanks for the offer... have a HUGE trailer ready to go, will take the whole load easily... If I wasn't a fisherman, I think I would have lost it ages ago...

[Mom]

Every step seems to cost $$$... my dollars, and you can't seek these application fees back either. THAT is what gets up me.... The system sucks for landlords in that point alone....

Patrick mate, word to the wise for you. Yes you can get costs associated with recovery back from a tenant, IF you have a clause in your signed tenancy agreement that says all costs of recovery etc are to be paid by the tenant.

I used to have that one in all my tenancy agreements, it has stood the test of Tribunal, sad thing is you cant recover if it is not there.

You are not allowed to contract out of the Residential Tenancy Act ie, carpets must be commercially cleaned at the end of the tenancy. Yes you can have those words in the agreement, but try to take it to court and you will get a big fat NO!

[Patrick]

Patrick mate, word to the wise for you. Yes you can get costs associated with recovery back from a tenant, IF you have a clause in your signed tenancy agreement that says all costs of recovery etc are to be paid by the tenant.

Will do from here on in.... cheers!!

[Sanx]

You are not allowed to contract out of the Residential Tenancy Act ie, carpets must be commercially cleaned at the end of the tenancy. Yes you can have those words in the agreement, but try to take it to court and you will get a big fat NO!

From a tenant's point of view, I've always found it's worth getting the carpet professionally cleaned at the end of the tenancy anyway. Bearing in mind I actually pay my rent on time, maintain the house and garden myself and have been known to make minor improvements to the house (like painting walls on the outside where the paint was peeling off), getting the carpets cleaned is a good way of protecting oneself against accusations of damage and neglect.

Carpets, especially light-coloured ones, do get a bit of abuse. People drop things on them, and those things can stain. Carpets can also be crushed by furniture, leading to marks being left in the carpet. Getting the carpets professionally-cleaned helps negate accusations of damage by not only removing the stains and helping to minimise marks left by furniture, but also because the cleaning company will usually declare any remaining marks usual wear and tear.

Lastly, it's also polite to clean a place properly once you leave. I'm not advocating a house should be sterilised at the end of each tenancy, but it's common good manners to pick your shit up, give the place a good clean and leave it in a state into which new tenants can move straight in, without the landlord having to waste time and money by getting it cleaned.

But then, as people keep telling me, I expect to much of others sometimes and my faith in human nature's ability to make people do the right thing most of the time has become rather dented recently.

[Mom]

From a tenant's point of view, I've always found it's worth getting the carpet professionally cleaned at the end of the tenancy anyway. Bearing in mind I actually pay my rent on time, maintain the house and garden myself and have been known to make minor improvements to the house (like painting walls on the outside where the paint was peeling off), getting the carpets cleaned is a good way of protecting oneself against accusations of damage and neglect.

Carpets, especially light-coloured ones, do get a bit of abuse. People drop things on them, and those things can stain. Carpets can also be crushed by furniture, leading to marks being left in the carpet. Getting the carpets professionally-cleaned helps negate accusations of damage by not only removing the stains and helping to minimise marks left by furniture, but also because the cleaning company will usually declare any remaining marks usual wear and tear.

Lastly, it's also polite to clean a place properly once you leave. I'm not advocating a house should be sterilised at the end of each tenancy, but it's common good manners to pick your shit up, give the place a good clean and leave it in a state into which new tenants can move straight in, without the landlord having to waste time and money by getting it cleaned.

But then, as people keep telling me, I expect to much of others sometimes and my faith in human nature's ability to make people do the right thing most of the time has become rather dented recently.

Mate why were you never, ever a tennant of mine......LOL

Most people are actually the same as you, but sadly there are a few out there that are not.....I used to have a check out cleaning list that my tenants had to follow, down to disinfecting the sinks/tubs/showers etc. Believe it or not some people actually have no idea what is expected when the expression "clean and tidy" is used

The reality of the tenancy law in NZ however is, you can not compell someone to commercially clean a carpet, trust me, it used to be in all my agreements, I tested it once and got that cost of reinstatement dismissed because it is above and beyond what the tribunal defined as "reasonably clean and tidy" go figure that!