250 Newbie Noob ride Sat 11/8/07

[Cr1MiNaL]

Its only fair if someone is being a muppet to be told off. It only a joke until someone really bites the dust.

I can only hope he learns from this incident. Dude if ur reading, don't take what all of us have said lightly... biking is dangerous, I wasn't there so I don't know what happened BUT I know this .. u don't have to be doing 200 round a corner to have fun. try taking a 30 corner at 55 and being smooth, lean more... if u bin it ul get hurt no doubt but at least u won't be another statistic. follow a more capable riders line instead of taking the lead... don't be afraid to rock up to the group waiting at the turnoffs last, hell I've been riding 7 years and I still do it if I'm with more capable riders than myself. Bring ur bike and urself bak home to ur parents in one piece and u can call it a successful ride.

On another note, this sorta shit can happen to the best of us as weve all seen so I'm not going to judge u or anyone else who happens to bin, and I hope u won't if I do.

Raj.

[zeocen]

I'm pretty sure I'm not drunk, but reading that post makes me feel hammered.

btw I'm no expert or anything but I've always found taking your own line in a corner to be safer, last thing I'd personally want to do is ride the riders line infront of me right into a ditch.. That's how I feel, anyway.

I really did want to go fishing though.

[Zapf]

Did you guys actually do actual fishing?

think they went fishing for bikes this time.... next time perhaps

[Jeaves]

Did you guys actually do actual fishing?

If so, fuck I wanted to go fishing

Sure did .

[Zapf]

On another note, this sorta shit can happen to the best of us as weve all seen so I'm not going to judge u or anyone else who happens to bin, and I hope u won't if I do.

yep, it can happen to anyone. the point is that most of it can be avoided with some risk management skills....

ermm... risk management. Another topic I can teach

[Donor]

Actually Zapf, I like the idea of a Club 250 RRRS course. I'd be a starter for attending.

I have progressed in my 9 months of riding to what I would say is a 'good' rider, but I am largely self taught, and have been gleaning snippets of useful information from other 'experienced' riders.

It would be good to get some more formal learning under my belt.

Never too proud to admit I need a learning...

[Cr1MiNaL]

yep, it can happen to anyone. the point is that most of it can be avoided with some risk management skills....

ermm... risk management. Another topic I can teach

I can teach Financial Risk Management !

[Zapf]

Actually Zapf, I like the idea of a Club 250 RRRS course. I'd be a starter for attending.

Yea, it'll still be a standard RRRS course. But with a large number of 250 riders from KB

http://www.rrrs.org.nz/calendar.html

Can someone find out what days they are taking bookings now?

I can teach Financial Risk Management !

How so? about the cost of binning bikes? or real Financial risk management? spill the beans mate...

[Cr1MiNaL]

How so? about the cost of binning bikes? or real Financial risk management? spill the beans mate...

Real Financial Risk Management, but ull have to wait till Oct when I get my Hon.Finance

[xwhatsit]

Actually Zapf, I like the idea of a Club 250 RRRS course. I'd be a starter for attending.

I have progressed in my 9 months of riding to what I would say is a 'good' rider, but I am largely self taught, and have been gleaning snippets of useful information from other 'experienced' riders.

It would be good to get some more formal learning under my belt.

Never too proud to admit I need a learning...

I'd definitely be interested in that, I've been meaning to do the RRRS for some time but have never got around to it.

It's a shame I missed the ride (the weather forecast was terrible!), but from your description, Donor, it sounds like it was a little hairy so missing it wasn't so bad.

The best rides I've been on have been 2, 3 or as much as 4 people. The one where we ended up with just me, GiJoe1313 and Chisanga was a good one. In the small group there was no feeling that we had to `perform' or push ourselves too much, we just rode at our own speed and slowed down regularly so we all re-grouped.

Ixion always says big group rides worry him somewhat, and I sort of understand what he means. It's like with your mates -- one on one, or in a group of three everybody acts fairly sensibly. Once a whole bunch of you gets together, a sort of mob-mentality takes over and you find yourself doing/saying things you normally wouldn't. I think this part of the characteristics of males carries over to how we ride our bikes.

[Donor]

It's a shame I missed the ride (the weather forecast was terrible!), but from your description, Donor, it sounds like it was a little hairy so missing it wasn't so bad.

The weather was fine, got dark twice while we were out there but it never really threatened rain.

It was the wind that got us, but it didn't really become too much of an issue until we hit the motorway at Drury, by then the ride was pretty much done and dusted.

You were just worried about mussing ya hair... go on, admit it!

[xwhatsit]

You were just worried about mussing ya hair... go on, admit it!

Do you know how long it takes to get it just right? I mean the helmet hair is bad enough...

[Brett]

I'd have appreciated it if people held off posting my bin pics till I gave the go ahead D:

No offense, but then best not bin on a public ride....

Looks like you were lucky to get away in one piece looking at the rocks your bike became friendly with! WHat sorta condition is it in now?

[gijoe1313]

Okay, just got home from seeing some mates - I'll post a feedback on the ride and events sometime later today, with pictures (minus the ones of breakaway's bike)

Now, I'm a usually reserved person - but I will be laying it directly on the line in the post. Positive, Negatives and Interesting observations.

gijoe1313 will be assessing NCEA fashion and doing a report.

[Gremlin]

In the small group there was no feeling that we had to `perform' or push ourselves too much, we just rode at our own speed and slowed down regularly so we all re-grouped.

Any good organised ride will always wait for the slower riders. Learner and 250 riders should never feel pressured to ride beyond their level. Said this many a time, but the newer riders always think they have to keep up (hence the 250 rides etc)

The number of bins that can be attributed to riders pushing to keep up, and/or riding beyond their skill is rather large.

The one I often say to those riders is, lets say the fast guy is riding at 5/10's, and a corner catches him off guard. He has plenty left in reserve to handle it (and skill). You're riding at 10/10's (insanely stupid on public roads), have the same issue... you have nothing in reserve, to cope.

Additionally, faster guys screw up, it happens. If one crashes in front of you (as has happened) because he was going too fast and you're struggling to try and keep up, do you think you have any chance of making the corner?

Always ride within your skill. I'm happy to hold up rides to wait for the last few, than pick bikes up out of ditches.