Personal responsibility, what's happened?

[MSTRS:Me]

Freedom and responsibility are linked. It's not chance that these problems are happening in line with ever-restricting rules and laws in society.

Coupled with the 'Winning is not the point, it is the participating that counts' brigade, not to mention a system that allows the unemployed to become the unemployable AND to continue breeding....

[Joni]

I over heard a young woman this morning..."Im like, you know, like tired of peole fucking up my life"

Made me think of a pm conversation I had with someone yesterday... you cannot blame everyone all the time, there will have to be a stage where you stand up and take repsonsibility for your own actions..

Yes Mr Merde, I too am a dinosaur
And like you I am struggling with this "blame anyone" syndrome.

[Coldrider]

Then you'd have to define "intelligence": are we talking academics, or Street smarts???

Intelligence as in information processing methodically, Street smarts is as in cunning, but there is a blend of emotions (which computers don't have), maturity and moral obligations.

[Coldrider]

I over heard a young woman this morning..."Im like, you know, like tired of peole fucking up my life"

Yes, other people may contribute to **cking up ones life, but the ultimate responsibility of the individual is to minimise the damage, react positively and do what has to be done to get their life on track. This isn't saying 'harden up'. Do some people want to be the victim all their life?

[Joni]

Do some people want to be the victim all their life?

I think they do, be it conscious or not...

Some people blame... others have the "why me" thing going (I have been guilty of that in the past...), but there comes a time that you realise that its not only time to take responsibility for your actions. Its also YOU that can get you out of the shit... think, make a plan, consult who ever, and then gear down and do what it takes to pull yourself out of it.

[ManDownUnder]

We are rapidly going the same route as the reptilian versions.

Ironically no - tis the non dinosaurs heading toward extinction for the very reasons you mention.

If I raise my kids seeking others to blame they will be skilled at finding a target for their venom, but more prone to being hit by that bus, or have gangster "pop a cap in yo ass" or whatever. It's increasingly complicated by the various games, videos and other screen time that normalises beatings shootings high, speed chases to the point of them not only being low risk (perception) but if they do get caught they hand the blame on to someone else.

Dinosaurs - and I include myself in that group - have quite the advantage this time around...

[007XX]

At the risk of over simplifying matters, isn't it just about being able to assess right from wrong and having the balls, backbone, whatever it is, to say:

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

Then take responsabilty for it, as it is what you believe to be the right thing...

[ManDownUnder]

You guys would not believe how many times I get : *"If you do me for drink-driving I'll lose my job and it will be YOUR fault" and shit like that, alway 'somebody elses' fault.


*My normal response to that one is "I never jammed a pistol in your ear and said 'drink' and I did not put you into your car, start it and say 'drive' so no, it's not my fault if you have a problem - don't try to make it mine".

Not enough rep available for this one man. Agreed 10,000%. Tempting to add "And if you'd killed someone - would that be my fault too?"

Jumped up little fuckwits. Nail their sorry arses to the wall. And should it ever be me - nail mine their too. Accountability. End of story.

[Joni]

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

I honestly get the impression some poeple do not know what "the right thing" is.... very sad!

[007XX]

I honestly get the impression some poeple do not know what "the right thing" is.... very sad!

Exactly, and that's where I believe a lot of our problems start. Simple knowledge as to what is right and wrong, and what consequences are...
These basic tools, were they taught properly in younger years, would go a long way towards making us better as a nation.
I'm not saying it would eradicate our problems, but it would certainly help.

[Coldrider]

I'll be really basic here, there are human beings out there who are Tossers and they don't know it.

[Macktheknife]

At the risk of over simplifying matters, isn't it just about being able to assess right from wrong and having the balls, backbone, whatever it is, to say:

" I will do the right thing here, even if it is the hardest thing to be done, ever".

Then take responsabilty for it, as it is what you believe to be the right thing...

It has been my experience that many people fail to recognise not only right from wrong but fault from responsibility.
If a driver does something stupid on the road, he is both at fault and (should be) responsible for the consequences of that error. If I am riding along and that drivers error threatens me, I need to be responsible for where I am on the road, and what I do to deal with the situation.
It may not be my fault that the driver is an idiot, but it is my responsibility to deal with the situation appropriately and try to compensate for the drivers error.
Someone else being wrong does not mean that I have no responsibility in the situation, and that is something many people don't seem to get.
Call me a dinosaur, but I like being responsible for myself, even when I screw up hugely.

[deanohit]

I'll be really basic here, there are human beings out there who are Tossers and they don't know it.

Read my sig \/

[Macktheknife]

Exactly, and that's where I believe a lot of our problems start. Simple knowledge as to what is right and wrong, and what consequences are...
These basic tools, were they taught properly in younger years, would go a long way towards making us better as a nation.
I'm not saying it would eradicate our problems, but it would certainly help.

So it's the parents fault then?





p/t

[Angusdog]

I was raised by a father and mother who instilled upon me a belief that in the end it is I and I alone who is responsible for my own actions and decisions.

There is the problem and answer right there. Some parents are not doing their job. Some families are becoming increasingly less strong as a source of love and strength, as they spend less time together as a unit. Everyone continues to learn from those around them, and those kids who spend more time with their parents (usually their dad) learn how to be a good person - responsible, considerate of others and compassionate.

As a father of two, almost everything I do is geared around them. And I think how my father raised me, and how I can raise my kids to be good people. I don't think all the fathers out there do.

Most of the headline acts in this culture of violence come from dysfunctional families where the father is either absent, abusive or a poor role model. The problem, in my view, is that this will get worse as dysfunctional children become parents themselves. There needs to be some effort given to teaching people how to raise good kids, who become good parents. I know there's schemes at present, the one fronted by Tana Umunga is a good one. I'd like to see much more funding for community groups and campaigns to teach parents their responsibility to their kids. That is where, in my view, the future lies. We shouldn't expect the government to teach our kids, although their role currently is to pick up the pieces of those who didn't.

I should add that it's not a conclusive and complete solution - most fathers do a good job, and some do a good job and still end up with a son or daughter who isn't responsible or considerate - but tighter family units is a good thing which is underrated, in my view.