Police must take some blame, says dead boy's sister

[Coldrider]

AND they insure (and sometimes register)the car in their name because they know their kid would never get insurance or it would cost lots more.

BTW In one such case the insurance company dropped the claim like a hot turd when they found the alleged 'owner' was not the 'principal driver' -Sonny-Jim was using the modified Skyline daily, the dad never drove it ('who the hell would want to be caught driving THAT').

The insurance companies are onto that now, insurance is for the most frequent user, and minors have to be named, so insurers can assess the full risk, lack of discloser can make an insurance claim null & void, alot of parents won't be aware of that till it bites them.
If compulsory third party insurance was introduced, you's & I's would be supplementing it.

[Grahameeboy]

I believe from National Radio today that the chase was only 30 seconds old before the crash, so the police are pretty much in the clear.

As for the sister, I doubt she's as, well bluntly, intelligent enough or divorced from the situation to see it with any clarity. She's lost a brother, so not in the best frame of mind.

And anyone who thinks this has nothing to do with video games and movies like Fast & Furious is deluded - in the minds of young men, these stunts are easy, achievable and survivable. This guy now knows otherwise, wherever he ended up.

If you have young guys or girls in your care, talk to them each and every time something like this happens. Make them watch the grieving parents. And let them know you love them. Christ, my heart goes out to the parents every time I hear of something like this, and not how deluded the driver was.

60 seconds is still just under a distance of 1.6kms at 100kph, let alone 170kph so enough time for:

a) Tragedy
b) To anticipate the folly ahead and call off chase

I agree that the kid was 100% at fault because he should have stopped, however, I still do not see the sense or benefit in Police Chases.

Years ago I gave chase following a hit and run. He was in a Porsche I was in a Volvo.........high speed was not a factor, however, as soon as I got close enough to read the plate I gave up chase and went back to accident scene.

He still got caught.

Moral of story...pretty obvious really.

[Hitcher]

There are times when the media should be taken to task for looking at sensationalist angles rather than the news or the "real" story. The "issue" of Police "chases" is one such example.

180kmh in a 70kmh zone was only ever going to end in tears or somebody's death. And it did, so no surprises there. Fortunately no "innocent" members of the public were killed or maimed.

I don't really care what the sister of the perpetrator thinks. If having somebody other than her brother to blame helps with her grieving process, that's good. But if it negatively impacts on the reputation of the Police and others who were in this case acting in the best interests of public safety, that is bad.

[Usarka]

the title is wrong it was misquoted and reported. should be:

Police must take some aim, says dead boy's sister

(datsun)

[Ralph]

Yep the boy never had to run, he made that choice not the police no one forced him, so why should the police call of a chase.
If they call off every single chase because there might be an accident then why bother having the police?
Everyone will run if they know the police aren't going to chase them.
The boy took the risk and unfortunately paid the ultimate price.
At least he didn't take anyone else with him.

[Clockwork]

I'm just by the arrogance of a 17 year old with a learners license who thinks he can out drive a trained professional in a performance/pursuit vehicle

[tri boy]

Raise the license age, design a better/more stringent test, including defensive, and considerate driving practices, or keep burying an excessive number of motorists (and members of joe public).
F**ken politicians. Oops, there i go, blaming some body.

[Animal]

...In the uk, it's only 50cc for the learners. Think they're onto something there.

I don't know what it's like nowadays but when I was growing up in South Africa it worked like this:

At 16, you could get a learners license for a bike <50cc. After six months, you could get a full licence for the bike <50cc.
At 17, you could get a learners licence for a cage. After 12 months, you could get a full licence for the cage.
At 18, you could get a Learners licence for a bike >50cc. After six months you could get a full license for the bike >50cc.

Basically everyone started out on piss-weak 50cc bikes. Your survival skills were tested every day, and if you survived, you progressed.
You didn't get behind the wheel of a cage before you were 17, and therefore two years more grown-up than 15 year-olds.
If you went from riding a 50cc bike to driving a cage, your awareness and courtesy towards bikers was profound.
If you never rode a 50cc bike and went straight to driving a cage, you were more mature and less arrogant and bullet-proof than 15 year-olds.

There's always a downside... After riding your piss-weak 50cc traffic target for two years, you could borrow a mate's 125cc bike and get a >50cc learners licence. Your next step would be to buy yourself an 1100cc rocket and kill yourself in the first week of owning it.

Darwin Award nominees by the truckload!

[Animal]

...If they call off every single chase because there might be an accident then why bother having the police?

And you've hit the nail right on the head there!

[scumdog]

Years ago I gave chase following a hit and run. He was in a Porsche I was in a Volvo.........high speed was not a factor, however, as soon as I got close enough to read the plate I gave up chase and went back to accident scene.

He still got caught.

Moral of story...pretty obvious really.

You are supposing that the car doing the 'runner' was not stolen, running false plates, had disguised plates, been freshly involved in a serious crime etc etc
If it was as simple as getting the number and going door-knocking we would do that.

[Grahameeboy]

You are supposing that the car doing the 'runner' was not stolen, running false plates, had disguised plates, been freshly involved in a serious crime etc etc
If it was as simple as getting the number and going door-knocking we would do that.

I see where you are coming from but I still think that Police chases are too hazardous and this has been prooven many times.

I know it means a crim may get away but an innocent victims life (and family) is not a worthy exchange.

I guess the majority of runners are either driving offences or relatively moderate criminal offenders i.e. not murderers and the like and I still don't think chasing these guys through streets at well above the speed limit is acceptable even if they do have false plates etc.

I am not advocating criminals, just think the dangers outway the prize.

Sorry Scummy................I still you

[Grahameeboy]

Yep the boy never had to run, he made that choice not the police no one forced him, so why should the police call of a chase.

I agree it was his choice.

If they call off every single chase because there might be an accident then why bother having the police?

I suspect that this type of job = a very small % of their job.

Everyone will run if they know the police aren't going to chase them.

But once they know the Police are not chasing they may slow down. All the time the Police are chasing the runner will keep running.......:

The boy took the risk and unfortunately paid the ultimate price.
At least he didn't take anyone else with him.

This time

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[Animal]

AH, the innocence (read stupidity, childishness and short-sightedness) of youth.

Vote for me and I'll change the cage licensing laws as follows...

Learners licence at 18, and not a fucking minute earlier. No bullshit excuses about working nightshift and living in the boondocks. You should be at home doing your homework because you're still at school getting an education! Living in the boondocks is no excuse either. Just get your pushbike out of the shed two hours earlier in the morning. As an 18 year-old learner, you're limited to driving a cage with a maximum capacity of 1100cc, no tiny penis compensation exhaust, turbo, abs, ayc, xyz, pms, no nothing. Just basic transportation, and no CD player, radio or anything else to distract you. Your curfue starts at 8:00pm and you're to stay the fuck indoors until 7:00am. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! You never drive alone, and you only get to drive with one passenger, who has to be fully licensed and at least 26 years old. If you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 19, you can get your full licence. Congratulations, your curfue is now a very generous 10pm and you can drive alone or carry passengers, but at least one of them has to be fully licensed and a minimum of 26 years old. You are now allowed to drive a car with a maximum capacity of 1300cc. Again, no tiny penis compensation exhaust, no turbo, CD player or alphabet soup performance shit. Since you are now expected to be engaged in tertiary studies, this curfue allows you plenty of time to spend in the campus library doing research, but you still need your sleep so you need to be home by 10pm and indoors until 7:00am. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! And since you cant get to lectures, you'll fail, so don't bloody take the risk. If you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 20, things are looking up for you. You're in your second year of tertiary study and you can now drive a car with a whopping 1500cc engine. Sucks to be you, but no tiny penis compensation exhaust, no turbo, or any of that other shit you're not used to having so you won't miss it anyway. Massive independence now, a midnight curfue! Stay the fuck indoors until 7:00am though! If you carry passengers, same again - one has to be at least 26 and full licensed. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! And you'll fail yet again, so don't bloody take the risk. Once again, if you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 21, the world is your oyster. You can now have the choice of an 1800cc car without all the performance shit, or an 1100cc car with all the performance shit and acronyms you like, you lucky bastard! You're now in your third year of your studies and we're so proud of you that we've set your curfue at 2:00am. Same rules again for passengers, curfues, failing and buggering off to anywhereyoufuckinglike if you're unhappy with the law.

At 22, well, life is good. Your education is almost complete, your curfue is now an amazingly generous 4:00am to 7:00am and you can drive a 2000cc car without all the performance groceries or a 1300cc car with all that shit. You're now mature and educated enough to choose wisely, so don't fuck it up. Same rules about passengers, curfues and fucking off, which you're unlikely to do anyway because you've earned your OE. Don't rush to come back, mind. Take your time and make the most of your trip. Your parents will be thrilled to have your free-loading arse off their hands anyway.

At 23, you can drive a 2500cc car without any performance shit, your curfue only runs between 6:00am and 7:00am, and if you want a 1500cc car with any of the stuff you've been so sadly deprived of, you go for it! Now that your balls have dropped and you've survived your tertiary studies, you're probably mature and sensible enough not to want any of that penis compensation bullshit anyway. We're immensely proud of you, and since you now no longer need a licensed passenger at all, you can drive to the airport and buy that ticket to Heathrow!

We don't want to see you until you're 26, by which time you have the wisdom and maturity to be a responsible chaperone for 18 year old novice drivers who will pay you generously to accompany them for the first year of their driving experience. You can now afford to buy and you're legally entitled to drive anything you bloody like! You'll by now be grown up, working, paying tax, and have your shit well sorted. You won't want to waste money on lowering your car, fucking the suspension up so it bounces along like a shopping trolley and you won't have to worry about scraping your dick-extension exhaust on the road because you won't have one anyway. We're beyond proud of you, and we welcome you into the ranks of responsible society.

There are some basic rules and appropriate prison sentences that carry through your entire journey... txting while driving: 5 years, reckless or dangerous driving: 10 years, colliding with another cage: 15 years, colliding with a biker: 135 years, filling your dashboard and parcel shelf up with fluffy cute toys and hanging shiny things from your rearview mirror: instant deportation!

Scumdog et al will have the authority to shoot cunts that try to run away on sight, and have absolute and unlimited authority to pull over drivers to check on age, licenses, exhausts, passengers, curfues or fucking fluffy toys and shiny shit hanging from mirrors. In conclusion, I don't give a flying fuck either way because I have the interests of the motoring public at heart.

The Right Dishonourable (and completely inebriated right now) CADanimal


Disclaimer: Pisstake

[candor]

The below success story has been repeated in many places. In the States personal responsibility for runners is often addressed with a certainty of a jail dose when we catch you later. Which is the norm - as most cars aren't stolen.

Even if they are capture of a thief isn't worth risking innocent lives. I think this black and white thinking on this issue is very male - bet female cops have different perspectives. It should be females setting the policy anyway as it is a fact they are better drivers - just look at the road toll for proof on that one.

Short pursuits yes, but no extended high speeds unless it's a major crime concerned I say. The issue is becoming academic in the UK I gather as cameras capure number plates on the highway network now and can track people. In the States cops arec working on a sticky thing they shoot onto the car that also tracks.

Orlando, Florida-Three year anniversary of restrictive pursuit policy passes

On March 1, 2004 the Orlando Police Department adopted what PursuitWatch believes is the most restrictive pursuit policy in the United States. This followed the adoption of a similarly restrictive policy by the Orange County Sheriff's Office in the fall of 2003 and preceded adoption of the Orlando model by the remaining 8 agencies in Orange County.

OPD Chief Mike McCoy's Staff Inspections Unit has reported that in the 12 months since the policy was adopted OPD has made 40,460 traffic stops. The department had 11 pursuits and 107 suspects who refused to stop.

To sum up-118 suspects fled and 40,342 obeyed the order to stop. OPD reports that in 2003 there were 20,291 reported felonies which declined slightly in 2004 to 20,065.

Given the fact that Orlando is the 3rd fastest growing metropolitan area in the county and one of the top tourist destinations as well, these results soundly contradict those who predicted that there would be large increases in the numbers of suspects who flee. Anarchy was not the result.

The result is that Orlando is a safer place to live, work and visit-thanks to the foresight of Chief Mike McCoy and the dedication and professionalism of the members of the Orlando Police Department. Truly one of the nation's finest. Source; pursuitwatch

[kiwi cowboy]

Vote for me and I'll change the cage licensing laws as follows...

Learners licence at 18, and not a fucking minute earlier. No bullshit excuses about working nightshift and living in the boondocks. You should be at home doing your homework because you're still at school getting an education! Living in the boondocks is no excuse either. Just get your pushbike out of the shed two hours earlier in the morning. As an 18 year-old learner, you're limited to driving a cage with a maximum capacity of 1100cc, no tiny penis compensation exhaust, turbo, abs, ayc, xyz, pms, no nothing. Just basic transportation, and no CD player, radio or anything else to distract you. Your curfue starts at 8:00pm and you're to stay the fuck indoors until 7:00am. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! You never drive alone, and you only get to drive with one passenger, who has to be fully licensed and at least 26 years old. If you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 19, you can get your full licence. Congratulations, your curfue is now a very generous 10pm and you can drive alone or carry passengers, but at least one of them has to be fully licensed and a minimum of 26 years old. You are now allowed to drive a car with a maximum capacity of 1300cc. Again, no tiny penis compensation exhaust, no turbo, CD player or alphabet soup performance shit. Since you are now expected to be engaged in tertiary studies, this curfue allows you plenty of time to spend in the campus library doing research, but you still need your sleep so you need to be home by 10pm and indoors until 7:00am. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! And since you cant get to lectures, you'll fail, so don't bloody take the risk. If you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 20, things are looking up for you. You're in your second year of tertiary study and you can now drive a car with a whopping 1500cc engine. Sucks to be you, but no tiny penis compensation exhaust, no turbo, or any of that other shit you're not used to having so you won't miss it anyway. Massive independence now, a midnight curfue! Stay the fuck indoors until 7:00am though! If you carry passengers, same again - one has to be at least 26 and full licensed. Break your curfue, lose your license for six months. Do it again, lose your licence for 12 months. A third time, lose your car, you fucking retard! And you'll fail yet again, so don't bloody take the risk. Once again, if you don't like it, emigrate to the third-world shithole of your own choosing.

At 21, the world is your oyster. You can now have the choice of an 1800cc car without all the performance shit, or an 1100cc car with all the performance shit and acronyms you like, you lucky bastard! You're now in your third year of your studies and we're so proud of you that we've set your curfue at 2:00am. Same rules again for passengers, curfues, failing and buggering off to anywhereyoufuckinglike if you're unhappy with the law.

At 22, well, life is good. Your education is almost complete, your curfue is now an amazingly generous 4:00am to 7:00am and you can drive a 2000cc car without all the performance groceries or a 1300cc car with all that shit. You're now mature and educated enough to choose wisely, so don't fuck it up. Same rules about passengers, curfues and fucking off, which you're likely to do anyway because you deserve your OE. Don't rush to come back, mind. Take your time and make the most of your trip. Your parents will be thrilled to have your free-loading arse off their hands anyway.

At 23, you can drive a 2500cc car without any performance shit, your curfue only runs between 6:00am and 7:00am, and if you want a 1500cc car with any of the stuff you've been so sadly deprived of, you go for it! Now that your balls have dropped and you've survived your tertiary studies, you're probably mature and sensible enough not to want any of that penis compensation bullshit anyway. We're immensely proud of you, and since you now no longer need a licensed passenger at all, you can drive to the airport and buy that ticket to Heathrow!

We don't want to see you until you're 26, by which time you have the wisdom and maturity to be a responsible chaperone for 18 year old novice drivers who will pay you generously to accompany them for the first year of their driving experience. You can now afford to buy and you're legally entitled to drive anything you bloody like! You'll by now be grown up, working, paying tax, and have your shit well sorted. You won't want to waste money on lowering your car, fucking the suspension up so it bounces along like a shopping trolley and you won't have to worry about scraping your dick-extension exhaust on the road because you won't have one anyway. We're beyond proud of you, and we welcome you into the ranks of responsible society.

There are some basic rules and appropriate prison sentences that carry through your entire journey... txting while driving: 5 years, reckless or dangerous driving: 10 years, colliding with another cage: 15 years, colliding with a biker: 135 years, filling your dashboard and parcel shelf up with fluffy cute toys and hanging shiny things from your rearview mirror: instant deportation!

Scumdog et al will have the authority to shoot cunts that try to run away on sight, and have absolute and unlimited authority to pull over drivers under 26 years old to check on age, licenses, exhausts, passengers, curfues or fucking fluffy toys and shit hanging from mirrors. In conclusion, I don't give a flying fuck either way because I have the interests of the motoring public at heart.

The Right Honourable (and slightly inebriated right now) CADanimal


Disclaimer: Pisstake

Shit cad u need to get a bike and get out more lmfao. Food for thought though. Go the cops i say runners make the desision to run and the cops werent chasing the boyracers down in milton i think it was from memory but they still crashed and i bet there was a sector of the comunity said then WHERE WERE THE POLICE.seems to me the cop are damed if they do and damed if they dont.