Welly to Mana speeding - One for the legals

[scumdog]

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.

I thought it was as Patrick said - he was followed at 'not less than' 125kph - or did I misread the post and there WAS a radar involved?

[jafar]

I thought it was as Patrick said - he was followed at 'not less than' 125kph - or did I misread the post and there WAS a radar involved?

Seems to be that the orificer in question took a "guess" as to the speed of the bike, if he was giving a verbal reprimand this is ok (mabey), but as he has issued an offence notice based on his guess it is open to question!
Add to this that the orificer said @ the time 125k then issued a ticket for 128k the whole thing should be tossed out. The officers "guess" doesn't count for a knob of goatshit if/when this goes in front of the beak.

Quote from the original statement :

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious). However, taking the 7mins into account, and the fact that he had to ride up to 145km/hr, he decided he'd do me for 125km/hr.

[quallman1234]

Personally i think it was all in his head.

[peasea]

I was ticketed last week for doing 125 between Wellington and Mana. Well, not ticketed exactly, but written into a little black book and told the ticket will be in the mail. I am not certain the charge can stick though, and thinking on it post event, I'm not convinced it was warranted.

I'll play the game and if its a fair cop I'll take the punishment but I cant help feeling this guy was just after a bit of a run before knocking off for the day.

I was in peak traffic, about 6pm travelling home to Kapiti a pretty much keeping to the limits. Now I was sewing the traffic a bit, and possibly changing lanes between gaps more sedate people wouldn’t, but not overly dangerously imho.

However, as I entered the motorway from the onramp off Aotea Quay I was unwittingly spotted by a motorbike cop who apparently took umbrage to my manoeuvrers. This he told me after catching up to me in Mana.

Now, he told me it had taken me 7 min to get from Wellington to Mana. The distance is 22.5 km going off google maps, which means I would have had to be travelling 191km/hr in peak traffic. In reality I was fluctuating between 90 to 100, with possible excursions to 110 if I wasn’t looking

He told me he spotted me zip in from the on ramp. Fair play, I zipped in. He then said he had to reach excessive speeds to try and keep up, at times reaching 145 km/hr. This is possible in my opinion if he didn’t get the gaps in the traffic that I got. Admittedly, his requirement for gaps are probably wider than mine.

He got another office in a car to pull over on the motorway to spot me going past, who said at the time I was 5 cars ahead of the motorbike cop. The car, which I saw pulled over and wondered what he was up to, was about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way to Mana. Almost immediately after the bike pulled me over, the car arrived so I had the full swat team in action.

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious). However, taking the 7mins into account, and the fact that he had to ride up to 145km/hr, he decided he'd do me for 125km/hr.

He then asked for my license….which had expired! Shit and bugger I thought. But he decided to "be nice" and let me off for that one, saving me $400.

I was good about the process, polite and apologetic, but the more I thought about it the more I wondered whether they actually got the right bloke. Yes, I probably needed a slap for sewing the traffic. Yes, the speeds I was going, while not above the limit, are not THE safest for the environment (i.e. I should just be tucked behind a car and pretend I'm one of them).

However, if he didn’t clock me, and wasn't actually right behind me to witness the gaps I was working with, do I have a chance to get off this? The mere fact he thought it took 7 minutes is ridiculous, and using this to guage my speed surely is a little shite.

The other question I have, is if I decide to dispute this, can he bring other charges in, such as the expired license, or dangerous driving?

If I am to dispute, are there any particular gems I should focus on? Can it be dealt with via a letter, or is a court appearance mandatory?

Thanks for all help in advance.

Get a gun and shoot the fuck

[peasea]

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

I'd pick 'C'.

[Smokin Joe]

Send a letter in to the Police Infringement Bureau and tell them what you told us basically. I got a $400 fine for riding a 400cc on my learners and I wrote a letter in saying how i was in the middle of applying for my exemption so i could ride one ( which was accepted. ) I did not get let off the fine though because in the letter they sent me they told me that had reviewed the cops notes and the original reason for pulling me over was infact for speeding, not just a random check. Because of this they just told me to pay up but i did not add on a speeding fine, which they possibly could have done. Just do what i did but hopefully you will be a bit more lucky. Basically what I am trying to say is that I do not think they can add on more fines if you try to fight a fine. Each ticket is dealt with totally individually.

Since then i was given another $400 fine for the same thing, only that was a random check. They wrote "DIVERSION" on the ticket, i sent it in saying that it was a random check etc etc and i was let off that fine. If they were able to look back and change their minds because I had got a fine for doing the same thing ( and obviously hadnt learnt my lession ) then i think they most likely would of told me to pay up again.

Good luck!

Heh there Mark,

I was interested to read that you have an exemption to allow you to ride a larger than 250cc bike while on a learners licence.

How did you manage that? What was you reason? My son is on his restricted licence but I considered that for the riding we do the 250 was dangerous on the open road. I have put him on a FZR600 which he has been riding now for some 4 months. But if we could get an exemption?

Gotta be the way to go. Any help would be welcomed.

Cheers,

Smokin Joe. PS Appologies for hijacking this thread.

[Babelfish]

Bit off topic, but my mate just got an exemption. He's voer 6 foot and got some pics taken of him on an array of bikes to show that they were too small for him. essentially the pics display him turning the bike full lock ad showing his elbow hitting his knee. Presto. He's now on his first road bike....an '06 zx6r....nice

[mark247]

Heh there Mark,

I was interested to read that you have an exemption to allow you to ride a larger than 250cc bike while on a learners licence.

How did you manage that? What was you reason? My son is on his restricted licence but I considered that for the riding we do the 250 was dangerous on the open road. I have put him on a FZR600 which he has been riding now for some 4 months. But if we could get an exemption?

Gotta be the way to go. Any help would be welcomed.

Cheers,

Smokin Joe. PS Appologies for hijacking this thread.

Bit off topic, but my mate just got an exemption. He's voer 6 foot and got some pics taken of him on an array of bikes to show that they were too small for him. essentially the pics display him turning the bike full lock ad showing his elbow hitting his knee. Presto. He's now on his first road bike....an '06 zx6r....nice

Pretty much what i did. But I didnt take photos. I explained how i was 6 foot 3 and i needed a bigger bike to be safe etc etc.

EDIT: By the way, if you son isnt tall and you just try convincing them its safer to be on a 600 on the open road compared to a 250, you probably wont get it. You need proof, i explained how i had owned 250cc bikes before and trucks had nearly blown me off the road on them etc etc

[peasea]

Pretty much what i did. But I didnt take photos. I explained how i was 6 foot 3 and i needed a bigger bike to be safe etc etc.

EDIT: By the way, if you son isnt tall and you just try convincing them its safer to be on a 600 on the open road compared to a 250, you probably wont get it. You need proof, i explained how i had owned 250cc bikes before and trucks had nearly blown me off the road on them etc etc

After riding since 1973 I decided to get a license in '02. There's NO course you can attend that proves you can ride a big bike, which I think is silly. There are plenty of people out there who can ride that don't have a license and for whatever reason don't try and get one.

I just kept my head down for a year and a half, riding my 1340cc machine. I got plucked once, on the bridge approaches, and the cop was brilliant. He booked me for exceeding 80kph and I sucked it up, thanking him for his leniency. He knew I'd had a beer, never bagged me coz I wasn't pissed. I was changing lanes without indicating, riding without the right licence (learners on a big bike) and speeding. If I could track that guy down I'd buy him a beer.

Now THAT'S a good cop.

[scumdog]

He knew I'd had a beer, never bagged me coz I wasn't pissed. I was changing lanes without indicating, riding without the right licence (learners on a big bike) and speeding. If I could track that guy down I'd buy him a beer.

Now THAT'S a good cop.

He was slack - you pay taxes for lacksadaisical work ethics like THIS??
It's like saying "My brkaes were dodgy, my steering-head bearing was slack and my rear tyre was almost smooth but the guy at the garage gave me a WOF. Now THAT'S a good WOF man.

Regardless of anything he should have breath tested you. I would have.
And told you next time I caught you breaching you Learners licence you would be getting a ticket for both times I caught you. (Not so likely in the mess you call the North Island)

And a lot of Kbers would have slagged you for you riding manner (not my call).

[mark247]

Drunk drivers dont deserve to be on the road what-so-ever.

[Babelfish]

He was slack - you pay taxes for lacksadaisical work ethics like THIS??

Hey Scumdog dont take this te wrong way - I support the boys in blue.

here it come's...However, when it comes to work ethics this thread started because some fat arse fuckwit on a bike decided he wanted to "teach me a lesson". He didnt know what speed I was doing, and just decided because I was riding agressively that I deserved a ticket. Telling me to pull my fucking head in would have worked....but telling me I had taken an impossible time to travel a set distance and then plucking a speed out of whatever the fuck world he lives in is also not the effort I pay my taxes for.

I pay my taxes to get good usage of the road. Yet I dont see said donut ridden gnarly old cunt pulling the slow dopey impossibly retarded toss pots clogging up the motorway.

End of the day, I am all for doing the time for the crime. But relying on someones common sense just because they decided to join up for the ulitmate power trip 300 years ago is fucked. Just because someone wears a uniform, doesnt mean they should forget about the context within the community. I've learned far more from community conscious cops than their fuckwit colleagues, and I've had enough experiences through my youth to recognise the difference.

As for drunk driving, I'm not sure Peasea was meaning he was drunk, just had a beer. I'd be careful jumping to conclusions.

.....breathing......breathing.....woooooooossssssa aaaaaaaaaahhhhh

[Smokin Joe]

Many thanks for the information on exemptions guys, I will have to see what I can come up with.

Cheers,

Smokin

[swbarnett]

I've learned far more from community conscious cops than their fuckwit colleagues,

Exactly, In my early years I had a habit of tearing off from the lights just after they went green to do a right turn in front of the opposing traffic. Although I did have the room for the vehicles I was totally oblivious of the pedestrians that I nearly ran down until a cop pulled me over and enlightened me. If I'd had his badge number I'd have sent him a medal. I've never done that since.

[Babelfish]

Got the letter back today. Basically I fucked up. I was laid back enough to say "fair enough - I need to watch myself" on the night, and presto. The cop did not he "saw" me doing 128 for 400m mind you....THE LYING CUNT as all else he told me on the night did match up.

Next time I wont be stopping for the fat cunt.

Or at the very least, I'll be keeping me mouth shut.