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    For me its national level on a 125GP bike.. I want every inch of compeditivness as possible. some times (like the last two rounds of VIC) it's been too cold for slicks to work perfectly, but too dry for wets.. so you want a happy medium. therefore Cuts

    For street stock i believe that grooved slicks (which is what they have) would be the best bet. But even straight slicks are fine. The reasoning is that they are Cheaper and easier and perform 10 time better than street tyres.

    The idea is that YES, wets would perform better than a slick in the rain, and intermediates would, but a slick in the rain is FAR better than any of the current grooved road tyres for the streetstock bikes.

    125GP and streetstock are significantly different, you have to compare apples with apples

    Streetstock is an introduction class, which is supposed to be safe.
    125GP is a full compeditive class. If i wanted to just pootle around a track, i'd still be in streetstock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketchy_Racer View Post

    ... If i wanted to just pootle around a track, i'd still be in streetstock.

    -Glen
    hate to say it but there are quite a few SS guys/gals who do a bit more than pootling these days and would be quite comfy in the 125 class down here anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyster View Post
    This rule will only apply to the 150cc street stock class."
    Yet on the day they said it would apply to all classes

    The submission from Otago would be the one to support
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    This thread was not put up as a SS150 only debate... it is infact about ALL racers and their choice to race on what tyre they feel safer on.

    I dont race a F1, F2 so I will not comment on slicks in the rain as far as they go, I will however say as far as I am concerned F4 and F5 bikes handle bloody well in the wet on slicks.

    I believe that all racers should have a chance to say their bit on this before the decision is made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashika View Post
    hate to say it but there are quite a few SS guys/gals who do a bit more than pootling these days and would be quite comfy in the 125 class down here anyway
    Yes i more than understand that! (and know from experience)

    But for me personally, i wouldnt be wasting my money with 125gp if i didnt believe i was truely compeditive. I would rather spend less money, and have more fun on a streetstock with out the huge cost increase to 125gp.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous View Post
    This thread was not put up as a SS150 only debate... it is infact about ALL racers and their choice to race on what tyre they feel safer on.
    I can't comment on 600s etc.

    But from my experience on streetstock bikes on slicks in the wet, They are more than adequate, and would out perform 99% of grooved road tyres when run on these types of machines.

    As for 600etc, I believe that they should have thier own choice as to what they wish to run. Remember, they're the ones twisting the throttle


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    OK, let me try one MORE time.

    YES, I HAVE ridden MANY MANY HUNDREDS of laps on my buckets, big and little, WITH slicks AND with road tyres. Even done more than a few races on Oysters own weapon.
    YES, I HAVE ridden ( and thoroughly enjoyed ) 150's - not with slicks fitted though.
    YES, I've probably done more laps in the rain than some of you have in the DRY.....and I STILL dislike it !!!!!!!

    Re the 150's, let me state it plainly AGAIN .... I fully support the 150 idea as the ideal place to learn the ropes and hopefully get hooked on a fantastic sport. Jonesey and his crew have done a sh1tload of work getting the class to where it is now - this is NOT an anti-Jonesey issue.

    My "problem" is simply that the 150's is where we put those new and inexperienced to learn in a controlled environment ...... correct ?

    Is it then fair and reasonable to expect these same riders to have the tyre knowledge and the experience to make an informed choice when confronted with shitty track conditions ? How is it OK for their OWN organisation to mandate how and what these young guns ride, what they must wear when riding etc ( all viable safety issues ) and then a disaster when MNZ tries to ensure that these very same kids are not put in an unsafe situation due to their inexperience with tyre and set-up issues? Am I wrong in thinking that more than just a couple of these kids dont have ex-racer parents back in the pits, ready to give the benefits of THEIR experience ? Not the kids fault, not their folks fault ...... like most things in life, you get experience by getting experience !

    Strikes me as amusing that some posters in this thread who are extolling the fantastic performance of slicks in the wet actually have spare wheels, with wets, ready and waiting for the next wet race
    One even tells us on his own website that he intends to take a second MACHINE to the races, complete with a "wet weather set-up"! For my benefit, as I'm obviously the only one who doesnt understand, would you please let us know just what the differences ARE, and WHY they are better than dry settings ?

    At the risk of repeating myself, this IS a safety issue ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by budda View Post
    Strikes me as amusing that some posters in this thread who are extolling the fantastic performance of slicks in the wet actually have spare wheels, with wets, ready and waiting for the next wet race
    Not me after my first wet race on slicks I decided I wouldn't bother with spare wheels as they're not needed

    They had a bit on risk mangement at the start of the meeting, now what happens if someone on treaded tyres has a serious crash or a fatality and it could be proved the crash rate on slicks is lower and that this was bought to the attention of MNZ but they pushed through a "treaded tyre rule"

    ps was it you that had the bike wreckers in Timaru?
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    Hi Kick ... no, I'm not THAT one. If memory serves me correctly, THAT guy has a wee bit of experience on buckets, all the Proddy racing classes, Kiwi Superbikes ( think he was first Kiwi in the World Superbikes - have to check with him ), raced and Team Managed internationally, even put in a few years with MotoGP teams, so not exactly inexperienced.

    Give HIM a ring, and ask HIS opinion ! Then come back and tell us what he said......

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    Quote Originally Posted by budda View Post
    Strikes me as amusing that some posters in this thread who are extolling the fantastic performance of slicks in the wet actually have spare wheels, with wets, ready and waiting for the next wet race
    Not me, think the post was lost where I said I won a race in the pissing rain at Teratonga and only slid once, which was controlable, were as my post classic on treaded tyres was moving all round the show... the diff being a F4 dosnt have the power thing nor the weight thing and has skinny tyres, its not on planning like J Hepburn is to ban us F4/F5 people from using what we want.

    As far as a 150SS bike goes they are a bit grunter but same basice apply.. SS is Street Stock give them the non option not every other racing class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budda View Post
    Give HIM a ring, and ask HIS opinion ! Then come back and tell us what he said......
    If he's as good at answering his phone as he is his emails I'd never get a hold of him


    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous View Post
    its not on planning like J Hepburn is to ban us F4/F5 people from using what we want.

    As far as a 150SS bike goes they are a bit grunter but same basice apply.. SS is Street Stock give them the non option not every other racing class.
    Well going by what PJ posted further up they're now only aiming at SS150
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Well going by what PJ posted further up they're now only aiming at SS150
    ohh really... missed that, what you are saying is that MNZ are NOT looking at ALL classes now? Ill wait till I hear that from MNZ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Well going by what PJ posted further up they're now only aiming at SS150
    that's a lot more reasonable than making it for all classes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    If he's as good at answering his phone as he is his emails I'd never get a hold of him




    Well going by what PJ posted further up they're now only aiming at SS150
    Quote Originally Posted by dangerous View Post
    ohh really... missed that, what you are saying is that MNZ are NOT looking at ALL classes now? Ill wait till I hear that from MNZ?

    you two sort ya shit out eh!!!..
    sounds ( reads ) like the MNZ ... not know what is going on!!...

    i just want to get out there and have a good go at hooning around the track..... and try and not fall off tooo often


    what a ride so far!!!!

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    As I said in my posting, number 12! This tyre rule issue, is really only for the 150 class!

    I have read a couple of comments on this thread, where people have said that there is NO benifit to wet tyres over cut slicks or treaded tyres, TOTAL RUBBISH FOLKS! Sorry, NO direct attack, just my oppinion after 23 years of racing myself.

    There really is nothing to argue about my above comment, just take a look at any rules in any country and the availabillity of tyres to riders and teams, V Rossi could not even ride as safe as he normally could in the wet on dry tyres! FACT.

    I am not trying to attack any one or put any one down here, I am really trying to get you to all look at this from a safety,logical, management point of view.

    J hepburn, and many others involved in this subject have so much true full on racing history behind them, that we all need to read and listen to what they have got to say, not required to agree with them, but please, give them some room to move, so they can continue to help our sport grow. It is not fair, nor intelligent, or even true KIWI like to get on the internet and bag people, but this is what seems to happen these days, when it comes to issue's like this, and that really is a shame, because it takes the true focus off the main point of issue, and also makes a few people with some thing worth while to say, refrain them self from posting, as they cannot be bothered getting involved in internet war of words.

    Come on team, lets try to keep to the issue on this subject, and try to remember what this class is truly all about, and it is all about helping the future of our great sport.

    Perhaps a simple rule like, a controll tyre is required to race in this class, some kind of treaded tyre! and please do not complain about how much these tyres may cost, it will still be a huge lot less than a funeral bill.

    What MNZ is trying to do here ( In my oppinion) is to help this class grow and SURVIVE! if the safety side of it is ignored ( Because we are Kiwi's and have to give it a go mate!) MNZ will always have there knockers of what they do, they are a company that finds itself between a rock and a hard place all the time! And this tyre rule discussion going on at the moment is just another case of trying to do the best thing, but they cannot please every one all the time, as well as a choice of words at the beggining of it all, where it appeared that this rule would apply to all classes.

    There are some riders who could go and race in the rain all day long using slicks and live to tell the tail, but, there are also a lot of very young riders in this class, who only understand one thing, stretch the throttle cable now and try to win now, it is this bunch of future talent ( and some ones child) that this rule is being taked about.

    I think there should be an age limit put on this class, 15 Years old MAX!

    This would make it a definate learners class, NO OLDER WANTABEES, ( Again, NO attack on anyone ) and would also make the rule making for it, a lot easier, FACT, an under 15 year old with bugger all race experience, know's a lot less about safety and machine set up than the people trying to make it safer. It would also possibly show to parents, that this class is all about building a safer foundation to get there children into motor cycle racing.

    The 150 class is a learners class! designed orriganally for KIDS! so lets try and agree to make it as safe and cost effective as possible, to help bring on our future hero's in our sport
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