Sit down, and shut up NZ

[James Deuce]

I thought that after the vandalism on "the bitches" electoral office, (which received a charge of sedition) free speech was well and truly buried.

That's a bit different. The dude that carried that act out and earned the sedition charge was a very clever Harry indeed and had been needling Labour for some time prior to the attack.

[Grahameeboy]

what do we live in?

A wonderful country........Politics is really the same where ever you are with some extreme exceptions, at least we live in a wonderful country with great biking roads.

[Grahameeboy]

I was thinking...always a worry I know.

Yes the Bill seems silly, however, I guess it only affects those who are devout followers of Politics and at the end of the day the vote is via the Polls rather than the show of hands of Political ranters.

So does this mean that the other party's cannot speak out as well.

Sounds like the bill is a load of old nonsense, just like politics but at same time probably not a lot to worry about at the end of the day.

I know I will get some "you are a nob" comments but remember 'freedom of speech'

[shafty]

Ironic, that.

Perhaps Dear Leader should adopt the KB model and tell those who object that as they do not Fit In they should Fuck Off.

It's all about "providing leadership". If you agree to being leadered you must needs accept that you shut up and do as the leaders tell you. Here, or there.

Mate, love it, thanks for the laugh, u r SO right!

[Daffyd]

party's

The word is "parties"

[Swoop]

...a very clever Harry indeed and had been needling Labour for some time prior to the attack.

Good on him/her! Politicians need to be kept on their toes at all times. The more pressure the better.

Yes the Bill seems silly, however, I guess it only affects those who are devout followers of Politics...

No. It only affects those who are governed by politics... i.e the voters.

[paturoa]

I can scarcely believe that a Labour government, champions of free speech and rights for the ordinary person, is trying to muzzle political debate.

Are there 2 Labour Parties?

[paturoa]

... i for one certainly dont want idiots like them pulling political strings in my country (sic excl bretheren)

Which bunch of idiots do you prefer? Sane comment (i.e. people who agree with me) seems to be very rare lately, and any that do get shot by the PC media brigade.

[kro]

So when do i spray the bike matt black, take off the plate and setup a jammer on it? Do we have a time frame for these things?

The sooner the better :P

[Grahameeboy]

Good on him/her! Politicians need to be kept on their toes at all times. The more pressure the better.

No. It only affects those who are governed by politics... i.e the voters.

In what REAL way though.....I mean we are only talking about freedom of speech before an election. There will be enough media coverage etc to help Voters make their minds up without having to do a 'speakers corner' stint.

I agree the Bill is daft but at same time I look at what real harm it is really doing to decide whether it is an issue.

Mind you I don't vote which is my 'Freedom'.

[peasea]

A wonderful country........Politics is really the same where ever you are with some extreme exceptions, at least we live in a wonderful country with great biking roads.

Well put, that man.

[Finn]

Give National 3 terms (god help us) and there would, nay, has been, no difference - just increasing gross arrogance from the elected representatives

So why did you leave NZ?

[MisterD]

To be frank, whilst the Exclusive Brethren are a creepy bunch of shitheads, I still think they should be able to print and distribute whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want.

I think the biggest problem anyone outside of the Beehive had with the Brethren thing, is that a bunch of people who don't vote for religious reasons were still trying to influence the election's outcome...that hypocrisy aside, I completely agree with you.

[kro]

In what REAL way though.....I mean we are only talking about freedom of speech before an election. There will be enough media coverage etc to help Voters make their minds up without having to do a 'speakers corner' stint.

To me it's not only taking the right to free speech, the possibility exists for it to be the start of other losses of basic rights. I also think it's dangerous to entrust the portrayal of political events to the media, they don't have the best track record.

If you cast your mind back a month or two, the govt wanted the media out of the deabting chamber, because it portrayed the politicians in a bad light. Some of our politicians are people I would not let babysit my kids, or even loan money too, and I am getting increasingly agitated with our leaders apparent disinterest in addressing social issues head on.

[Grahameeboy]

To me it's not only taking the right to free speech, the possibility exists for it to be the start of other losses of basic rights. I also think it's dangerous to entrust the portrayal of political events to the media, they don't have the best track record.

If you cast your mind back a month or two, the govt wanted the media out of the deabting chamber, because it portrayed the politicians in a bad light. Some of our politicians are people I would not let babysit my kids, or even loan money too, and I am getting increasingly agitated with our leaders apparent disinterest in addressing social issues head on.

I think having media in the chambers is a good thing, but at same time, we all know that most politicians are bafoons anyway and in the UK they have media in chambers......Spitting Image was great but not sure you got it here.

But at the end of the day would you allow media in to your work??

We do tend to knee jerk. We are worried about our rights so why can't politicians do the same. I am 45 and have never worried about my basic rights being taken away......I mean we have the same thing on this site.

The only freedom we seem to want is the right to moan.......I would rather spend my time elsewhere.

This is why Politics does not interest me. Not that I don't care but nothing really changes whoever is in power and as far as Social issues go, this has been an issue for centuries.....